Thoughts on iPhone 5S / 5C?

[Tym]

WINDOWS 7 IS BETTER THAN IOS 7. IOS IS STUPID AND IT SUCKS. GET WINDOWS 7!

I thought you were a windows 98 guy?

Also I can't get windows 7 on my ipad.

[microsoft windows]

I PREFER WINDOWS 3.1 THE BEST, BUT 98'S PRETTY GOOD TOO. I'LL SETTLE FOR WINDOWS 7 THOUGH WHEN COMPARED TO SOMETHING AS DISGUSTING AS IOS.

[Tym]

True, IOS 7 has been grim so far.

[microsoft windows]

ANOTHER GOOD REASON TO SWITCH TO WINDOWS TODAY!

[sth]

I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.

i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.

You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. 

what? no, i'm saying if you want the least buggy version of a product, wait for version b. early adoption is like paying to beta test.

[rowdy]

I PREFER WINDOWS 3.1 THE BEST, BUT 98'S PRETTY GOOD TOO. I'LL SETTLE FOR WINDOWS 7 THOUGH WHEN COMPARED TO SOMETHING AS DISGUSTING AS IOS.

What about Windows for Workgroups 3.11?

[ynrozturk]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

[rowdy]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

You mean like a phablet?  Looks silly, holding a huge screen up to your ear to make a phone call.

NFC?  There are rumours that the fingerprint reader could be used instead to authorise purchases.

[ynrozturk]

Only from Apple verified sources, like iTunes for now, and whichever other sources Apple wants to give permission to. The phone doesn't have Near Field Communication technology, which I would say is a pretty big let down.

And I don't mean phablet size. I admit that looks a bit weird, like holding a brick to your head. But 4 inches is just too small now for a lot of people. I'd have expected at least something like 4.5 inches or something.

[microsoft windows]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.

[rowdy]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.

Ballmer!

[microsoft windows]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.

Ballmer!

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH APPLE?

[rowdy]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.

SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.

Ballmer!

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH APPLE?

Sorry, just swearing.

[baldgye]

I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.

i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.

You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. 

"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?

Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.

lmao what?

There strategy is to make the best looking and designed hardware possible with there own software that locks and rewards you for pairing with other Apple devices. "Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience" proper mental one you are eh? and yeah incremental improvements is how Intel work, so should we all switch to AMD to avoid helping THE MAN?

You don't have to like Apple products, they are not for everyone, but really... you must be some proper tinfoil hat fool to lol

[microsoft windows]

I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.

i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.

You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. 

"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?

Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.

lmao what?

There strategy is to make the best looking and designed hardware possible with there own software that locks and rewards you for pairing with other Apple devices. "Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience" proper mental one you are eh? and yeah incremental improvements is how Intel work, so should we all switch to AMD to avoid helping THE MAN?

You don't have to like Apple products, they are not for everyone, but really... you must be some proper tinfoil hat fool to lol

APPLE'S COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS ARE NOT THE BEST LOOKING AND DESIGNED HARDWARE. FIRST OFF, THEY LOOK STUPID. SO THAT RULES OUT THE "BEST LOOKING" PART. AND SECONDLY, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO SERVICE AND ARE PRONE TO BROKEN PARTS (IPHONE SCREENS ANYONE?). AND IF THEY WERE SO WELL DESIGNED, WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO PUT THEIR APPLE IPHONE IN A $40 PROTECTIVE CASE IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT END UP GETTING DESTROYED IN EVERYDAY USE? I'D SAY THAT, AND THE FACT THAT THEY USE GENERIC COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY UNDERPAID AND POORLY TREATED WORKERS IN CHINESE SWEATSHOPS RULES OUT THE "WELL DESIGNED'' PART.

TODAY'S APPLE PRODUCTS SHOULD NOT BE FOR ANYBODY. THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION.

[Findecanor]

Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen.

If the screen got bigger, then customers would expect there to be more things on the screen ... but Apple had not designed iOS interfaces to be scalable. Android is better at that.

You mean like a phablet?  Looks silly, holding a huge screen up to your ear to make a phone call.

You should use handsfree either way. Cell phone radiation kills brain cells - that has been proven time and time again. (If it kills more of you brain cells than alcohol does is another matter...) Even a Bluetooth headset is 1000 times better.

WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO PUT THEIR APPLE IPHONE IN A $40 PROTECTIVE CASE IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT END UP GETTING DESTROYED IN EVERYDAY USE?

They think that "thin" sells... By the way, I kind of like the way that there are many options to choose from when it comes to protective casing. There are cases with covers, with built-in keyboards, with more battery...

Actually, I think that the whole back of the phone should be replaceable, and give you access to the battery/battery contacts when you take it off, so that you could use a thicker back with a bigger battery if you wanted. What the current battery-extenders for iPhone do is to charge the battery on the phone with another battery ... which is really a kludge.

THE FACT THAT THEY USE GENERIC COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY UNDERPAID AND POORLY TREATED WORKERS IN CHINESE SWEATSHOPS RULES OUT THE "WELL DESIGNED'' PART.

Most major hardware brands use underpaid and poorly treated workers in Chinese sweatshop. Apple is far from Foxconn's only customer.

[keymaster]

Friends don't coerce their friends to buy iPhones.

More gimmicks. Innovation is fleeting. Apple stock is plummeting.

R.I.P. in pieces

[Lanx]

io7 feels silly, i'm looking at 2 ipads right now ios 5 and ios7, i'm like wtf, there's no point.

[Defying]

~4 month old iPhone 5 user, not sad at all that the 5s is out. Yes, I want it, but my 5 is doing what I want it to do perfectly fine.

I'm not exactly the biggest Android fan, I had a Galaxy Nexus for about a year and after that year was over, I seriously wanted to smash my Nexus because it just made me so mad (battery life, poor quality apps, etc). Although the HTC One and S4 has made me want to try Android again.. I didn't really want to start a contract on a phone that I wasn't even sure that I would like. Plus, I have an iPad and a Mac, so getting an iPhone just made everything much smoother (trying to get iCloud to work with my Nexus was just bad).

Only thing that truly interests me about the 5s, is the new camera tweaks. 

[Kellybear]

Defying! I like your signature ;] Specifically the first~

I'm hoping to get an iPhone 5S soon since I had a 4S. After having used both android and iOS, I have to say I enjoy both but I prefer iOS for the simplicity, games, and the fact that the phone can still FIT IN MY HAND ;_;

Android is much nicer when it comes to theming though, which is something I complain about allllll the time when I'm theming on my iPhone. Since it's so opensource there's much to do but that usually results in me trying to flash a rom and then soft bricking the phone. -_- I'm not very good when it comes to those kinds of things..

[baldgye]

io7 feels silly, i'm looking at 2 ipads right now ios 5 and ios7, i'm like wtf, there's no point.

iOS7 is better than all other iOS's in terms of functionality. That said it's still lagging behind a lot of the UI improvements people had made with jailbroken devices

[rowdy]

I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.

i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.

You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. 

"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?

Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.

lmao what?

There strategy is to make the best looking and designed hardware possible with there own software that locks and rewards you for pairing with other Apple devices. "Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience" proper mental one you are eh? and yeah incremental improvements is how Intel work, so should we all switch to AMD to avoid helping THE MAN?

You don't have to like Apple products, they are not for everyone, but really... you must be some proper tinfoil hat fool to lol

APPLE'S COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS ARE NOT THE BEST LOOKING AND DESIGNED HARDWARE. FIRST OFF, THEY LOOK STUPID. SO THAT RULES OUT THE "BEST LOOKING" PART. AND SECONDLY, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO SERVICE AND ARE PRONE TO BROKEN PARTS (IPHONE SCREENS ANYONE?). AND IF THEY WERE SO WELL DESIGNED, WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO PUT THEIR APPLE IPHONE IN A $40 PROTECTIVE CASE IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT END UP GETTING DESTROYED IN EVERYDAY USE? I'D SAY THAT, AND THE FACT THAT THEY USE GENERIC COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY UNDERPAID AND POORLY TREATED WORKERS IN CHINESE SWEATSHOPS RULES OUT THE "WELL DESIGNED'' PART.

TODAY'S APPLE PRODUCTS SHOULD NOT BE FOR ANYBODY. THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION.

ORLY?

[daerid]

NFC is dead in the water. There's several reports floating around of Google abandoning it, as well as other major players. It's not going to be in the next version of Google wallet. We already have great wireless communication: wifi and Bluetooth LE

[Lanx]

doesn't seem so with samsung/visa
http://investincotedazur.com/en/newsletter/nfc-major-samsung-visa-partnership-announced-at-the-mwc-2013&artid=act11035

i can't wait till this happens, my credit card already has pay pass (just tap the top of the swiper), it's time America caught up with the world!

[rowdy]

doesn't seem so with samsung/visa
http://investincotedazur.com/en/newsletter/nfc-major-samsung-visa-partnership-announced-at-the-mwc-2013&artid=act11035

i can't wait till this happens, my credit card already has pay pass (just tap the top of the swiper), it's time America caught up with the world!

We're about 20 years behind anything else down here, so meh.

[demik]

Iphone is for *****es.

[loadstar81]

Want some more $$$ for keyboards? Get cracking!

http://istouchidhackedyet.com/

[baldgye]

Iphone is for *****es.

REAL TALK



sent from an iphone using an app

[demik]

Iphone is for *****es.

REAL TALK



sent from an iphone using an app

Realest **** I ever wrote. Android is for players and pimps!

[baldgye]

Iphone is for *****es.

REAL TALK



sent from an iphone using an app

Realest **** I ever wrote. Android is for players and pimps!

Real players use BlackBerry.

[demik]

Ballers use BB

[Findecanor]

I almost got hired by BB not long ago... but then I would also have been laid off already...

Want some more $$$ for keyboards? Get cracking!

http://istouchidhackedyet.com/

But.. then I would have to buy an iPhone. Modern Apple products are banned from entering my home. (Vintage Apple keyboards are welcome, and I've even got a StyleWriter printer for building keyboard out of)

[Lanx]

ios7 lags 1second extra on the turn on screen, it's hella slow.


i tested it on a iphone4 ios5 (control iphone)
itouch ios4
ipad 2 ios7
iphone 4s ios7
iphone 5 ios7

and you can't downgrade no more!

oh and battery life is worse (i don't have the free time to research why)

[noisyturtle]

Gotta hand it to Apple on their amazing app technology though, I think I might get an iPhone now. Anyone with an iPhone wanna test this cool new feature out and post results?


*this is a disclaimer in tiny font

[baldgye]

I tested it with mine in salt water! Worked a treat!

[rowdy]

Is that for real, or just an ironic mockup, given the overly sensitive moisture indicators in previous generations of iPhones?

[baldgye]

Is that for real, or just an ironic mockup, given the overly sensitive moisture indicators in previous generations of iPhones?

I've gotten my iphone really wet (if you know what I mean) and it's been fine...

[Altis]

Is that for real, or just an ironic mockup, given the overly sensitive moisture indicators in previous generations of iPhones?

A mockup.  Makes no sense 

[Tym]

Not real it was a /R/ boys joke.

[Defying]

huehuehue

I wonder if anyone has actually believed that yet...

[Findecanor]

... and the fingerprint reader is cracked:

From http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid

The method follows the steps outlined in this how-to with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.

A little bit easier than I had thought, actually. I did not think that toner on OH-film would have created a pattern that is deep enough.

[baldgye]

... and the fingerprint reader is cracked:

From http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid

The method follows the steps outlined in this how-to with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.

A little bit easier than I had thought, actually. I did not think that toner on OH-film would have created a pattern that is deep enough.

I mean, figuring out a mates password or four digit pass code would be easier and no one went ape **** about that...

[yester64]

So Apple can do ipods with colorized alu but not phones.

they made it gold, the only real colour.

Gold is a pimp color. Personally i would prefer either white or black. Looks just more stylish. But if you have a gold necklace and gold teeth well maybe then.

[Defying]

brb, buying gold 5s and wearing it as a gold chain

[YoungMichael88]

... and the fingerprint reader is cracked:

From http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid

The method follows the steps outlined in this how-to with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.

A little bit easier than I had thought, actually. I did not think that toner on OH-film would have created a pattern that is deep enough.

Thats still way to much work for someone to gain access to pictures of my keyboards and last night dinner. I'm not worried about this at all. 

[sth]

brb, buying gold 5s and wearing it as a gold chain

phone all in my chain
phone all in my rang
phone all in my watch
donbeleemejuwatch

[Findecanor]

Thats still way to much work for someone to gain access to pictures of my keyboards and last night dinner. I'm not worried about this at all.

How about your email account?

To photograph a print, you could use carbon powder, sticky tape and a film-negative scanner. The work on the computer could be automated, so that all someone would have to do would be to put the tape in the scanner and push a key to get printed film for casting. Then the person would just have smear some liquid latex onto the film and wait a few minutes for it to dry.

[YoungMichael88]

No one will want any information off of my phone for any reason. I have nothing worth accessing. I don't think people are going to go CSI on my prints. Also I have never in my life ever lost a phone. Ever.

EDIT: and as others have said it's still more secure than a 4 digit password.

[rowdy]

Probably not so much to get information off a device, as to either use it to make calls, or wipe it and on-sell it.

[YoungMichael88]

Probably not so much to get information off a device, as to either use it to make calls, or wipe it and on-sell it.

I doubt you would get your phone back either way from someone with those intentions.