America is the best country in the world.

[iri]

Considering how much money the US government spends spying on other countries, I think they probably have the best statistics.

which is one reason why America is THE BEST.

But that you can have the opinions you have, and not be the owner of a cabin upstate stocked with shotguns, spam and Sons of the American Revolution stuff, well that did disappoint me.

upstate ny is another reason why America is THE BEST.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

upstate ny is another reason why America is THE BEST.

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Upstate NY is amazing. The Adirondacks, Lake George... so many fond memories, from childhood to now...

[Krogenar]

One lesson I learned from my experiences in grad school: never argue with someone who’s ignorant, and never do their homework for them.

Right. Make expansive, fact-free declarations and call anyone who challenges them ignorant.

These are easily googled statistics.

They're your assertions berserker, not mine -- so why not do your own homework?

I stated that collectivist regimes were a hell of a lot more deadly in real human terms (citizens murdered) than America has ever been, warts and all. And I provided references to these facts. Is my calculus wrong? I think my metric (democide) was a fair one.

From official US government sources. I don’t touch Chinese government sources with a fifty foot network cable. Considering how much money the US government spends spying on other countries, I think they probably have the best statistics. If you believe these stats are so much to your liking, why not read them yourself and pleasure yourself while you're at it? If the stats turn out not to be your liking, you can always call your local con-man and complain how your tax dollars are being spent.

Again, dig the crud out of your ears. These are your assertions (America is stupid, fat, lazy, the poor are eating each other, Europe's economy is larger, etc.) -- not mine. I'm under no obligation to fact check your assertions -- you are.

And let me throw out a couple of guesses at where you got your college degree: Liberty U. Or Washington & Lee.

Since you're intellectually lazy, it's easier for you to just attack me. I love America. I never claimed America was "the best" -- in fact I started by saying, "how do you define 'best'" in the first place. Love is not rational. To me, your angsty, lame hatred of America is a balm. I love my country (not necessarily it's government) and it drives you ****ing nuts.

 

AMERICA!!!

Statistically there are too many possibilities so a hole in one is almost impossible; I can only make the ‘most likely’ guess based on what you’re talking about.

As for lack of gun ownership, if you work in NYC, it isn’t that surprising. It’s got some (relatively) strict laws and it would be difficult for you to use the gun effectively if you’re not allowed to carry it loaded. But that you can have the opinions you have, and not be the owner of a cabin upstate stocked with shotguns, spam and Sons of the American Revolution stuff, well that did disappoint me.

 

[Lurch]

NE USA is the best.

[Frenir]

You know it's true.

[katushkin]

Where's ur Empire eh?

[Frenir]

Where's ur Empire eh?

Jeg kan ikke høre dig over lyden af velfærd.

[iri]

Where's ur Empire eh?

where is yours?

[heedpantsnow]

Meh, I love America but I don't know if it's the best and I would never brag like that to others.  Once while on a trip to Laos, some village kids went through my wife's purse and found treasures like hairbrushes and paperclips and Bic pens and thought it was the greatest stuff in the world.  Made me embarrassed for *****ing that morning about how awful the coffee was there.  #firstworldproblems

[iri]

Meh, I love America but I don't know if it's the best and I would never brag like that to others.  Once while on a trip to Laos, some village kids went through my wife's purse and found treasures like hairbrushes and paperclips and Bic pens and thought it was the greatest stuff in the world.  Made me embarrassed for *****ing that morning about how awful the coffee was there.  #firstworldproblems

look, in america you can have hairbrushes and paperclips and bic pens. doesn't that mean that America is the best?

[paicrai]

where are our semi auto high caliber spec ops open carry rifles? nowhere, that's why america is better than us

[iri]

Where's ur Empire eh?

Jeg kan ikke høre dig over lyden af velfærd.

shut up, overtaxed europoor.

[Frenir]

Where's ur Empire eh?

Jeg kan ikke høre dig over lyden af velfærd.

shut up, overtaxed europoor.

[Mooby]

Where's ur Empire eh?

Jeg kan ikke høre dig over lyden af velfærd.

shut up, overtaxed europoor.

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[microsoft windows]

LOOKS LIKE A TUMBLEWEED THERE

[Mooby]

LOOKS LIKE A TUMBLEWEED THERE

It's my rage man.

[Malphas]

So which nation is ascendant right now, Malphas? China? You think they'll be more ethical compared to America?

Heaven's no. They'll be worse, obviously.

Fighting Nazis is so last century, right?

Meaning what, exactly? So the battle between democracy and authoritarianism is a coin toss?

You don't seem to understand what I meant. WWII is a thing often brought up in these kind of debated, when trying to invalidate criticism of America. Usually with some obnoxious comment like "well you'd all be speaking German now if it wasn't for the USA". My point is you can't trade off of something that happened 80 years ago, and that a multitude of other countries did as well.

The Russians were on the right side of the conflict, sure -- but would you call Stalin a good guy? How about Chairman Mao?

Well no of course not. That was exactly my point. Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse now.

Did "International Law" even exist at the time of the British Empire? And to say that the Brits had "no regard" for their subjects is absurd. Even accepting that their empire was morally wrong, they passed Western values to these nations that have served them well. It's very easy to judge the past from our own distant, future shore. Make no mistake -- there will be more empires on this planet, and when they arrive, their rule will make American and British rule look quaint by comparison.

I'm not criticising the British Empire because it's besides the point. I'm drawing a parallel between 19th century colonialism and imperialism and 20th century US interventionism and 21st century anti-terrorism. I'm not sure the people who actually lived under colonialism would have such a rose-tinted view of it as yourself though.

Even were we to accept all of your anti-American Marxiness bull**** at face value, those actions fade to insignificance when compared to the moral depredations of Marxist regimes. I, too, could go on forever -- so I'll quote two examples. One, Stalin's purge put the Nazi concentration camps to shame. Stalin killed and immiserated many millions more. Historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev estimates that Stalin's actions resulted in the deaths of approximately 20 million people.

In February 1989, two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million.

China's Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' resulted in anywhere from 18 to 32 million deaths:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

So between those two nations alone -- conservative estimate -- 40 million dead.

That's a mountain of dead bodies that can be laid directly at the feet of collectivist regimes. And yet, there goes Europe and the rest of the world marching in that direction. Good luck.

Yawn. When did I say anything remotely Marxist? When did I ever defend Marxist regimes. You made the statement that the USA was the "good guy". I listed some of the many scummy things the USA has done as evidence of the contrary (indisputable, factual things to boot, not vague assertions or opinions). Your retort is that Communist dictatorships which don't even exist anymore were worse, as if that something makes your original assertion correct. You must see how confused your argument and pathetic your straw-clutching has become at this point, Krogenar. On a side note, the idea that Europe and the rest of the world is heading towards Marxism is typical Fox-news conservative delusion fantasy.

That's why people look on the USA with mild disdain (no-one actually "hates" the US, besides fanatical jihadists); it's not because you're special. There's nothing really special about the USA anymore. Europe has more history and culture, Scandinavia and Asia have faster Internet, places like Singapore and Hong Kong make Manhattan look like Detroit, basically everywhere has better public transport and rail systems including the developing world, the EU economy is larger than the US's and most Europeans have a better standard of living than the typical American, the USA has more crime than the majority of the developed world, more homelessness, and more convicts, you have worse health, more obesity and lower life expectancy than the rest of the developed world, etc., etc.

Got any statistics to back any of that up?

Krogenar, these are well known facts, I'm really not making stuff up here. I suggest next time you enter a debate and someone drops a few facts that you aren't aware of, that you do a 30 second Google search to verify them, rather than demanding statistics from the person you're debating and making yourself look ignorant in the process, since the majority of people are already aware of this widely-known information.

[paicrai]

you guys yell at eachother about anything, even on troll threads

i'm going to make a thread called post mortem ****s and farts and you'll still find some way to argue on the topic

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

post mortem ****s

pls. make said thread.

[Malphas]

Also, for the record my girlfriend of seven years is American, and although I do think the USA is dreadful in many ways, one thing it is good for is if you happen to be wealthy, which is why I've considered/still considering migrating there at some point.

The USA is great if you're rich (and ideally WASP) and can live in a gated community or secluded residence, easily afford private healthcare, and easily afford to put your kids through a decent college. Most Americans probably don't fit into that category, frankly, but as John Steinbeck said: "in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires", due the lingering delusion of the American Dream. Which is why in red states you have "Joe the Plumber" idiots who view policies that benefit them as doing the opposite.
 

[iri]

it is good for is if you happen to be wealthy

many countries are.

[microsoft windows]

Also, for the record my girlfriend of seven years is American, and although I do think the USA is dreadful in many ways, one thing it is good for is if you happen to be wealthy, which is why I've considered/still considering migrating there at some point.

The USA is great if you're rich (and ideally WASP) and can live in a gated community or secluded residence, easily afford private healthcare, and easily afford to put your kids through a decent college. Most Americans probably don't fit into that category, frankly, but as John Steinbeck said: "in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires", due the lingering delusion of the American Dream. Which is why in red states you have "Joe the Plumber" idiots who view policies that benefit them as doing the opposite.
 

Do you live in America?

[vivalarevolución]

Until the USA invades Canada and takes their oil and eliminates custom fees, I cannot take this country seriously.

[Krogenar]

China's Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' resulted in anywhere from 18 to 32 million deaths:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

So between those two nations alone -- conservative estimate -- 40 million dead.

That's a mountain of dead bodies that can be laid directly at the feet of collectivist regimes. And yet, there goes Europe and the rest of the world marching in that direction. Good luck.

Yawn. When did I say anything remotely Marxist? When did I ever defend Marxist regimes. You made the statement that the USA was the "good guy". I listed some of the many scummy things the USA has done as evidence of the contrary (indisputable, factual things to boot, not vague assertions or opinions). Your retort is that Communist dictatorships which don't even exist anymore were worse, as if that something makes your original assertion correct. You must see how confused your argument and pathetic your straw-clutching has become at this point, Krogenar.

You can yawn at 40 million dead people and call America a bully? A 'bully' compared to whom? Has America murdered 40 million innocent people? Twenty? Not even close! Do we have our bad moments (Indian wars, internment camps during wars, slavery) -- sure, sure we do. But my point is that while you **** on America and call it "world bully" there are far worse actors in the world, past and present.

And for the record, I never claimed America was the 'best' country, I only asserted that I love my country. This was too much for you to take, so you decided to **** all over America. What do you expect people to do when you insult something they care about? You made a bunch of anecdotal statements about the U.S. without any references to facts and expect everyone else should 'do their research' in order to prove that you're right?

Your opinions about America are yours to keep, but America has a better moral track record than most other countries -- not perfect, but nowhere near as monstrous as you claim. Also, I don't care who you are, your education, your race, where you live, or who you date. Why suddenly state that you have an American girlfriend? It's like you said something that most would agree was racist, so you said, "... I have a lot of black friends!" as a lame moral backstop. None of your biographical information is relevant -- your opinions are stupid and easily debunked -- that's enough for me -- I don't have to make it personal.

[vivalarevolución]

China's Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' resulted in anywhere from 18 to 32 million deaths:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

So between those two nations alone -- conservative estimate -- 40 million dead.

That's a mountain of dead bodies that can be laid directly at the feet of collectivist regimes. And yet, there goes Europe and the rest of the world marching in that direction. Good luck.

Yawn. When did I say anything remotely Marxist? When did I ever defend Marxist regimes. You made the statement that the USA was the "good guy". I listed some of the many scummy things the USA has done as evidence of the contrary (indisputable, factual things to boot, not vague assertions or opinions). Your retort is that Communist dictatorships which don't even exist anymore were worse, as if that something makes your original assertion correct. You must see how confused your argument and pathetic your straw-clutching has become at this point, Krogenar.

You can yawn at 40 million dead people and call America a bully? A 'bully' compared to whom? Has America murdered 40 million innocent people? Twenty? Not even close! Do we have our bad moments (Indian wars, internment camps during wars, slavery) -- sure, sure we do. But my point is that while you **** on America and call it "world bully" there are far worse actors in the world, past and present.

And for the record, I never claimed America was the 'best' country, I only asserted that I love my country. This was too much for you to take, so you decided to **** all over America. What do you expect people to do when you insult something they care about? You made a bunch of anecdotal statements about the U.S. without any references to facts and expect everyone else should 'do their research' in order to prove that you're right?

Your opinions about America are yours to keep, but America has a better moral track record than most other countries -- not perfect, but nowhere near as monstrous as you claim. Also, I don't care who you are, your education, your race, where you live, or who you date. Why suddenly state that you have an American girlfriend? It's like you said something that most would agree was racist, so you said, "... I have a lot of black friends!" as a lame moral backstop. None of your biographical information is relevant -- your opinions are stupid and easily debunked -- that's enough for me -- I don't have to make it personal.

Your ignorance and propensity to voice it is startling.  Unprovoked US military interventions, along with support of despotic regimes throughout the world, has resulted in at least tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of deaths across the world.  Learn some history.   We just have not directly killed masses of our own population in our country.  Except for the Civil War.  Also by sending young boys off to war to die for causes they were duped into fighting for.  And we kill about 10,000 of each other each year without any help from the government.  Not sure that 10,000 includes murder by rouge cops with military surplus equipment.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/us-military-expansion-and-intervention/26024-us-interventions.html


Instead of wholesale slaughter of our own citizens (except for the Civil War and various other small rebellions here and there), the United States has always supported other countries doing the wholesale slaughter of their own citizens.  We just prefer outsource the bloodshed to other countries.  For now.

You are simply a fool to believe that the United States has the moral high ground over other nations.  Look at this list of interventions.  We are the poster child of imperialism.

[Malphas]

China's Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' resulted in anywhere from 18 to 32 million deaths:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

So between those two nations alone -- conservative estimate -- 40 million dead.

That's a mountain of dead bodies that can be laid directly at the feet of collectivist regimes. And yet, there goes Europe and the rest of the world marching in that direction. Good luck.

Yawn. When did I say anything remotely Marxist? When did I ever defend Marxist regimes. You made the statement that the USA was the "good guy". I listed some of the many scummy things the USA has done as evidence of the contrary (indisputable, factual things to boot, not vague assertions or opinions). Your retort is that Communist dictatorships which don't even exist anymore were worse, as if that something makes your original assertion correct. You must see how confused your argument and pathetic your straw-clutching has become at this point, Krogenar.

You can yawn at 40 million dead people and call America a bully? A 'bully' compared to whom? Has America murdered 40 million innocent people? Twenty? Not even close! Do we have our bad moments (Indian wars, internment camps during wars, slavery) -- sure, sure we do. But my point is that while you **** on America and call it "world bully" there are far worse actors in the world, past and present.

And for the record, I never claimed America was the 'best' country, I only asserted that I love my country. This was too much for you to take, so you decided to **** all over America. What do you expect people to do when you insult something they care about? You made a bunch of anecdotal statements about the U.S. without any references to facts and expect everyone else should 'do their research' in order to prove that you're right?

Your opinions about America are yours to keep, but America has a better moral track record than most other countries -- not perfect, but nowhere near as monstrous as you claim. Also, I don't care who you are, your education, your race, where you live, or who you date. Why suddenly state that you have an American girlfriend? It's like you said something that most would agree was racist, so you said, "... I have a lot of black friends!" as a lame moral backstop. None of your biographical information is relevant -- your opinions are stupid and easily debunked -- that's enough for me -- I don't have to make it personal.

Again Krog, place try reading and understanding what I've said before having another go at replying, then maybe it won't read as though you're on the verge of tears while typing your hysterical responses.

Also, for the record my girlfriend of seven years is American, and although I do think the USA is dreadful in many ways, one thing it is good for is if you happen to be wealthy, which is why I've considered/still considering migrating there at some point.

The USA is great if you're rich (and ideally WASP) and can live in a gated community or secluded residence, easily afford private healthcare, and easily afford to put your kids through a decent college. Most Americans probably don't fit into that category, frankly, but as John Steinbeck said: "in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires", due the lingering delusion of the American Dream. Which is why in red states you have "Joe the Plumber" idiots who view policies that benefit them as doing the opposite.
 

Do you live in America?

Why would I consider migrating to a place I already live? Think about it, MS.

[microsoft windows]

China's Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' resulted in anywhere from 18 to 32 million deaths:

The Great Leap ended in catastrophe, resulting in tens of millions of deaths.[3] Estimates of the death toll range from 18 million[4] to 45 million,[5] with estimates by demographic specialists ranging from 18 million to 32.5 million.[4] Historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the very foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated one of the most deadly mass killings of human history".[6]

So between those two nations alone -- conservative estimate -- 40 million dead.

That's a mountain of dead bodies that can be laid directly at the feet of collectivist regimes. And yet, there goes Europe and the rest of the world marching in that direction. Good luck.

Yawn. When did I say anything remotely Marxist? When did I ever defend Marxist regimes. You made the statement that the USA was the "good guy". I listed some of the many scummy things the USA has done as evidence of the contrary (indisputable, factual things to boot, not vague assertions or opinions). Your retort is that Communist dictatorships which don't even exist anymore were worse, as if that something makes your original assertion correct. You must see how confused your argument and pathetic your straw-clutching has become at this point, Krogenar.

You can yawn at 40 million dead people and call America a bully? A 'bully' compared to whom? Has America murdered 40 million innocent people? Twenty? Not even close! Do we have our bad moments (Indian wars, internment camps during wars, slavery) -- sure, sure we do. But my point is that while you **** on America and call it "world bully" there are far worse actors in the world, past and present.

And for the record, I never claimed America was the 'best' country, I only asserted that I love my country. This was too much for you to take, so you decided to **** all over America. What do you expect people to do when you insult something they care about? You made a bunch of anecdotal statements about the U.S. without any references to facts and expect everyone else should 'do their research' in order to prove that you're right?

Your opinions about America are yours to keep, but America has a better moral track record than most other countries -- not perfect, but nowhere near as monstrous as you claim. Also, I don't care who you are, your education, your race, where you live, or who you date. Why suddenly state that you have an American girlfriend? It's like you said something that most would agree was racist, so you said, "... I have a lot of black friends!" as a lame moral backstop. None of your biographical information is relevant -- your opinions are stupid and easily debunked -- that's enough for me -- I don't have to make it personal.

Again Krog, place try reading and understanding what I've said before having another go at replying, then maybe it won't read as though you're on the verge of tears while typing your hysterical responses.

Also, for the record my girlfriend of seven years is American, and although I do think the USA is dreadful in many ways, one thing it is good for is if you happen to be wealthy, which is why I've considered/still considering migrating there at some point.

The USA is great if you're rich (and ideally WASP) and can live in a gated community or secluded residence, easily afford private healthcare, and easily afford to put your kids through a decent college. Most Americans probably don't fit into that category, frankly, but as John Steinbeck said: "in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires", due the lingering delusion of the American Dream. Which is why in red states you have "Joe the Plumber" idiots who view policies that benefit them as doing the opposite.
 

Do you live in America?

Why would I consider migrating to a place I already live? Think about it, MS.

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

[Malphas]

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

Extensive experience there and in a variety of other countries (I could be wrong but I get the impression that you guys aren't particularly well travelled, or have experienced visiting other countries other than as short-term tourists), better informed of facts (as evidence by Krog's ignorance and demanding of statistics of things which are generally common knowledge, like the fact the EU economy is larger than the US's), emotional detachment (something clearly lacking in you guys) .

[ferociousfingerings]

define terrorism

Hate links?

copy/paste from google:

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
noun: terrorism

    the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.


The U.S. Gov't has been infiltrated and hijacked by terrorists (not a new revelation). However, i will not say "America is the terrorists," because the infidel hijackers do not qualify, IMO, as "America." They masquerade as such, but it's simply false (or maybe it's true, since they are indeed running the show at this point). But then it gets very difficult to communicate this critical distinction to others (e.g. the ignorant, with whom we should not argue, but instead, should ask them to explain their understanding of any particular issue, so that they will learn on their own, that they in fact had a much lower understanding of said issue than previously assumed... art of persuasion ^^), and things always get oversimplified, for various reasons, which makes the real issues prohibitively complicated to discuss, which often means they don't get discussed, which means nothing ever gets done about it. It's pointless to attempt to communicate with unreasonable people who prefer to disregard facts, instead substituting their own preferred fantasies. That type of attitude assists the terrorists, and allows them to not only perpetuate their reign of terror, but also denotes complicity in that regime's quest to give itself more and more power, until there is none left for US (the REAL Americans), and nothing more we can do about it, because we are essentially outgunned by brainwashed mercenaries, who don't care what's true as long as they get paid.

Anyone got a legit solution for that problem?

Meanwhile, "best country in the world" really isn't saying much. From what i can see, all gov'ts are too corrupt to be called "good," and all countries are well-below their potential, including mine.

Saying "best country in the world" is kinda like saying "[...] is the best terminal disease to have," or "[...] is the best method of sawing off your own legs."

All the countries are bad, and none of their citizens should be judged by what their out of control gov'ts do.

Too bad there isn't another continent or large region to colonize... but if there were, it would probably only end up facilitating the establishment of yet another corrupt oppressive regime.

[microsoft windows]

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

Extensive experience there and in a variety of other countries (I could be wrong but I get the impression that you guys aren't particularly well travelled, or have experienced visiting other countries other than as short-term tourists), better informed of facts (as evidence by Krog's ignorance and demanding of statistics of things which are generally common knowledge, like the fact the EU economy is larger than the US's), emotional detachment (something clearly lacking in you guys) .

You can say all you want, but the bottom line is that I have more experience in America than you do. I also have more experience in the European Union as well. I have travelled to over 60 countries and have visited every continent except for Antarctica. And out of all that, I have personally observed that the United States of America is superior to any other nation. It may not be perfect, but the Earth isn't heaven either.

[iri]

sure, just like windows 98 is superior to any other operating system.

[Mooby]

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

Extensive experience there and in a variety of other countries (I could be wrong but I get the impression that you guys aren't particularly well travelled, or have experienced visiting other countries other than as short-term tourists), better informed of facts (as evidence by Krog's ignorance and demanding of statistics of things which are generally common knowledge, like the fact the EU economy is larger than the US's), emotional detachment (something clearly lacking in you guys) .

You can say all you want, but the bottom line is that I have more experience in America than you do. I also have more experience in the European Union as well. I have travelled to over 60 countries and have visited every continent except for Antarctica. And out of all that, I have personally observed that the United States of America is superior to any other nation. It may not be perfect, but the Earth isn't heaven either.

All of your experience convinced me that America must in fact be the best country in the world. It even didn't need a single valid argument to do so. Thank you kind sir.

[ideus]

US is a great nation, however to say that it is the best may be always debatable. In a side note, America is the continent, not the country. The proper name is United States of America. Many other countries may claim in proper right they are part of America as well.

[Malphas]

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

Extensive experience there and in a variety of other countries (I could be wrong but I get the impression that you guys aren't particularly well travelled, or have experienced visiting other countries other than as short-term tourists), better informed of facts (as evidence by Krog's ignorance and demanding of statistics of things which are generally common knowledge, like the fact the EU economy is larger than the US's), emotional detachment (something clearly lacking in you guys) .

You can say all you want, but the bottom line is that I have more experience in America than you do. I also have more experience in the European Union as well. I have travelled to over 60 countries and have visited every continent except for Antarctica. And out of all that, I have personally observed that the United States of America is superior to any other nation. It may not be perfect, but the Earth isn't heaven either.

I personally witnessed the signing of the Declaration of Independence, fought in the American Civil War, have visited every planet in the solar system, and shot Ronald Reagan, so it looks like I'm the winner now.

[iri]

US is a great nation

so is russia. and china.

[smknjoe]

America is the continent, not the country. The proper name is United States of America. Many other countries may claim in proper right they are part of America as well.

I think everyone knows that America is a dual continent. America is also used as a slang term to refer to the USA. Just like how everyone calls "America" a democracy when it is not a democracy and never has been...it's a Republic. That actually seems to be something that even most "Americans" don't realize.

[microsoft windows]

US is a great nation

so is russia. and china.

But they are not as great as America. That is why America is the best country in the world.

[microsoft windows]

Well, if you don't live in America, then why do you consider yourself to be more fit to judge it than we are?

Extensive experience there and in a variety of other countries (I could be wrong but I get the impression that you guys aren't particularly well travelled, or have experienced visiting other countries other than as short-term tourists), better informed of facts (as evidence by Krog's ignorance and demanding of statistics of things which are generally common knowledge, like the fact the EU economy is larger than the US's), emotional detachment (something clearly lacking in you guys) .

You can say all you want, but the bottom line is that I have more experience in America than you do. I also have more experience in the European Union as well. I have travelled to over 60 countries and have visited every continent except for Antarctica. And out of all that, I have personally observed that the United States of America is superior to any other nation. It may not be perfect, but the Earth isn't heaven either.

All of your experience convinced me that America must in fact be the best country in the world. It even didn't need a single valid argument to do so. Thank you kind sir.

You're welcome!

[microsoft windows]

sure, just like windows 98 is superior to any other operating system.

That's right!

[Elrick]

America is the greatest Country in the world because of the liberty in stockpiling as much personal weapons on your property to safeguard your family.

If I was an American, entire underground hangers with my own personal collection of rocket launchers, machine guns and explosives to protect what's mine and the glory of the American flag  .

This is what makes the US of A so brilliant in every way, gawd how I wish to be there - somewhere in Wisconsin or North Dakota.

[VesperSAINT]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36895.msg1381923#msg1381923

[berserkfan]

This much I’ll say about the US

When I lived there, it was a paradise of fear. Guns and [heavily] armed police or aggressive, unpleasant and rude turkey bacon guys with more donuts than good judgment under their belts were everywhere. Every building you wanted to enter, you either got searched or you went through a metal detector.

Even the freaking public libraries made you go through metal detectors.

Anything could set off a metal detector, including coins from Uncle Sam’s own mints, my belt with Uncle Sam’s eagle on it, and my boots which I’d bought from Uncle Sam’s army surplus store.

Is that freedom? Is that the greatest country in the world?

The most amazing thing was that YES, the American people thought that was freedom! Outside of North Korea, they were the most brainwashed people I’d ever seen, brainwashed by their own free media. (Strictly speaking, it’s Rupert Murdoch’s free media.)

One time I was visiting the county courthouse to do research and stood in line to be security-checked for 26 minutes. When I’d just stepped through the metal detector, I found myself reading a propaganda slogan on a big red, white and blue banner with the picture of an American Eagle facing the left. It said something like xxx (can’t remember what it was, but probably telling us to put up with security checks)… FOR FREEDOM.

I wanted to utter some vulgarities, but didn’t dare. At that time they were arresting and locking up non-US citizens (ie people not subject to constitutional protections) in indefinite detention for all kinds of trivial reasons.

[iri]

police is armed in most countries in the world though.

[ferociousfingerings]

This much I’ll say about the US

When I lived there, it was a paradise of fear. Guns and [heavily] armed police or aggressive, unpleasant and rude turkey bacon guys with more donuts than good judgment under their belts were everywhere. Every building you wanted to enter, you either got searched or you went through a metal detector.

Even the freaking public libraries made you go through metal detectors.

Anything could set off a metal detector, including coins from Uncle Sam’s own mints, my belt with Uncle Sam’s eagle on it, and my boots which I’d bought from Uncle Sam’s army surplus store.

Is that freedom? Is that the greatest country in the world?

The most amazing thing was that YES, the American people thought that was freedom! Outside of North Korea, they were the most brainwashed people I’d ever seen, brainwashed by their own free media. (Strictly speaking, it’s Rupert Murdoch’s free media.)

One time I was visiting the county courthouse to do research and stood in line to be security-checked for 26 minutes. When I’d just stepped through the metal detector, I found myself reading a propaganda slogan on a big red, white and blue banner with the picture of an American Eagle facing the left. It said something like xxx (can’t remember what it was, but probably telling us to put up with security checks)… FOR FREEDOM.

I wanted to utter some vulgarities, but didn’t dare. At that time they were arresting and locking up non-US citizens (ie people not subject to constitutional protections) in indefinite detention for all kinds of trivial reasons.

We're not all like that, but i applaud you for externally/objectively confirming what i keep trying to tell people. "I told you so!"

Some of us are very mind-control-resistant. We are often treated like second-class citizens, or even "the enemy." It really sucks. I wish i could go elsewhere, but... where would i even go? And then there's the problem that i can't integrate with this foul society well enough to generate the sufficient surplus of funds required to escape.

Surely this isn't the best humanity has to offer.

[smknjoe]

This much I’ll say about the US

When I lived there, it was a paradise of fear. Guns and [heavily] armed police or aggressive, unpleasant and rude turkey bacon guys with more donuts than good judgment under their belts were everywhere. Every building you wanted to enter, you either got searched or you went through a metal detector.

Even the freaking public libraries made you go through metal detectors.

Anything could set off a metal detector, including coins from Uncle Sam’s own mints, my belt with Uncle Sam’s eagle on it, and my boots which I’d bought from Uncle Sam’s army surplus store.

Is that freedom? Is that the greatest country in the world?

The most amazing thing was that YES, the American people thought that was freedom! Outside of North Korea, they were the most brainwashed people I’d ever seen, brainwashed by their own free media. (Strictly speaking, it’s Rupert Murdoch’s free media.)

One time I was visiting the county courthouse to do research and stood in line to be security-checked for 26 minutes. When I’d just stepped through the metal detector, I found myself reading a propaganda slogan on a big red, white and blue banner with the picture of an American Eagle facing the left. It said something like xxx (can’t remember what it was, but probably telling us to put up with security checks)… FOR FREEDOM.

I wanted to utter some vulgarities, but didn’t dare. At that time they were arresting and locking up non-US citizens (ie people not subject to constitutional protections) in indefinite detention for all kinds of trivial reasons.

It's obvious you hate the US with your unrealistically skewed view of the country. You are free (maybe) to never come back. The police here are not heavily armed - just a pistol for 99% of them. You don't have to go through metal detectors everywhere you go...just in some Federal and State buildings that typically house courtrooms or other law enforcement. I've never been in a library that required you to go through any security. As for the paradise of fear statement: It seems like you were the one who was afraid...of the the police carrying guns...you are from the UK aren't you? The only time I've ever heard anyone say they were afraid of cops carrying guns was from a woman that was visiting from London.

Edit: It's also obvious that you view guns as a tool for oppression only. Another uniquely UK view...a product of propoganda. The police carry side arms to protect themselves and law abiding citizens from criminals who are armed.

[JPG]

Until the USA invades Canada and takes their oil and eliminates custom fees, I cannot take this country seriously.

Soon you won't be after our oil but after our water. Choose the right target!


But don't dare come invade my country or i'll ... be sad 

[ferociousfingerings]

The police carry side arms to protect themselves and law abiding citizens from criminals who are armed anyone they dislike, and an increasingly unruly proletariat, who are sick-and-damn-tired of their blatantly obvious, deliberate violations of human rights, and their constant abuse of power, and inhumane treatment of those they are allegedly sworn to protect.

ftfy.

Gotta watch them typos man.

2nd amendment rocks, but SCOTUS just ruled, unanimously i might add, that our bill of rights should be officially interpreted as privileges (and this was indeed a 2nd amendment-related case). Not acceptable!

However, i will say that no one should hate all cops: LEAP exists. Those guys at least have sufficient cognitive function and a conscience. Too bad they all get fired as soon as they're discovered to be against prohibition.

[iri]

Outside of North Korea, they were the most brainwashed people I’d ever seen, brainwashed by their own free media.

a few colleagues recently went to the american consulate. the process of applying for a visa, among other stupid things, almost always requires an applicant to spent quite a bit of time in the waiting room with a big loud tv constantly showing propaganda videos

[paicrai]

isn't like everything that the government and their little agency *****es have done recently against every ****ing law and constitution and amendment or whatever older than 30 years old? i've heard the ironically named PATRIOT act is direct treason

[hashbaz]

Happy Independence Day folks!



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