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IBM Model M 1390572



I just got this today in a lot of 4. Two had damaged bodies and are being used for parts. This is one of the one that was salvageable I cleaned up the body quickly and replaced the missing caps with ones from the loaners. All the keys seem to work.

I have not had a chance to test this with a teensy yet so I can not guarantee that it will work. I'll get around to it if it's a big concern to whomever would like to trade or I'll throw it one of the loaner boards with it and odds are one of those controllers will work. I haven't thoroughly cleaned the caps or the interior of the board either so that'll be left up to whomever gets it.

I'm looking to trade for another Model M part number. IBM not Lexmark. I'm missing most part numbers so if you think you have one I don't you're probably right. If you have something else that's interesting and of similar value let me know and maybe it'll work out.



DasKeyboard Blue MX

I have this keyboard up for sale or trade. It's a DasKeyboard with MX Blue's.





The keyboard has a few issues: One switch is broken (pictured), One key is missing ( the one with the broken switch), the keys are very worn and have a lot of shine as it was used a lot. I've disassembled it and clean out the crud for the most part. Whoever get's it will receive it disassembled as there most likely someone will be either repairing it or using it for parts. The keyboard work before a disassembled it and the broken switch was damaged over a year ago. I don't really have the time to fix it myself and it's likely that it will need to caps. I just don't feel like investing any time into this board. There is some minor damage (pictured) to the underside of the face plate, I'm not sure how it happened but I don't think it really affects anything. Let me know if you are interested.
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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 17:47:40 »
Completed Transactions

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IBM Model M 1390120 traded for IBM Model M 1389262 (h2gofast):
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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 01:32:47 »
Don't mind me asking, but why are you interested in these? Most of these models are practically the same as each other, and for many of the terminals the price is less than shipping.

I can understand someone who wants to try a different layout or someone who's into collecting keycaps, but it seems an unnecessary waste of money to try sourcing each individual IBM model number.

Adding a thread for completed sections.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:48:18 »
Don't mind me asking, but why are you interested in these? Most of these models are practically the same as each other, and for many of the terminals the price is less than shipping.

I can understand someone who wants to try a different layout or someone who's into collecting keycaps, but it seems an unnecessary waste of money to try sourcing each individual IBM model number.

I'm interested in models that have slight variations from one another. A different key cap, an attached cable, a speaker ect.

I studied architecture for several years a find it very beautiful see something represented in series. I like to be able to see the evolution of an idea over time. Eventually I will have the displayed in such a fashion.

I want to add more to the series and I already have this one in the collection. If someone wants to get rid of a 5din or rj45 board and get a really good 1390120 in exchange the I think that they'll get a really good deal out of it. All I ask is that it be original with all the caps and badges.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:54:04 »
I studied architecture for several years a find it very beautiful see something represented in series. I like to be able to see the evolution of an idea over time. Eventually I will have the displayed in such a fashion.

Interesting idea, but the Model M peaked early with the 1390131 and went downhill after that, in my opinion. And really, the external appearance varied only minutely, the changes were 95% internal.

If you want to see a fascinating evolution, look to the Model F series.
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 08:02:08 »
I studied architecture for several years a find it very beautiful see something represented in series. I like to be able to see the evolution of an idea over time. Eventually I will have the displayed in such a fashion.

Interesting idea, but the Model M peaked early with the 1390131 and went downhill after that, in my opinion. And really, the external appearance varied only minutely, the changes were 95% internal.

If you want to see a fascinating evolution, look to the Model F series.

I am looking into the Model F evolution as well. And the whole collection has a beam spring as a starting point.
I'm interested in that 5%. Small changes are beautiful, elegant, subtle, and are what lead to big ideas.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 09:39:33 »
How's the key action on this.  I've noticed that some old M's (even one's with dust covers) must have been in dusty environments.  This can cause a subtle scratchy feeling on the keys.  Can you tell if there is any of this?

Would you be interested in a 42H or 52G Model M's? 
I also have some terminal cable Model M's in 104 and 122 key if you're interested.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 10:16:19 »
How's the key action on this.  I've noticed that some old M's (even one's with dust covers) must have been in dusty environments.  This can cause a subtle scratchy feeling on the keys.  Can you tell if there is any of this?

Would you be interested in a 42H or 52G Model M's? 
I also have some terminal cable Model M's in 104 and 122 key if you're interested.

As far as I could tell the dust cover must have been on the board for at least 10 years and I would image longer. It was pretty well sealed in that regard. I haven't really properly used this board since I got it, only to test that it works, so I haven't really gotten a feel for the keys. It seemed in excellent shape to me though.

When I get home later today I'll give it a thorough once over and let you know how they feel to the best of my ability.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 15 November 2013, 06:40:12 »
thanks,  if it takes an effort to figure out if they feel scratchier than another Model M, they're not scratchy. 

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 15 November 2013, 06:59:00 »
I'm interested in that 5%. Small changes are beautiful, elegant, subtle, and are what lead to big ideas.

I suppose that my point is that IBM did a lot of work on the front end and, in the 1980s, usually got it right.

In my opinion, after the 1390131 the small changes were ugly, inelegant, and cheap.

After you have disassembled a Model F, you pretty much lose interest in the M.
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 15 November 2013, 07:11:19 »
Overall, Cool collection theme!
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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 15 November 2013, 09:23:04 »
After I dissembled a Model F, I realized the true genius of Kishy, hata (did I spell him right), and anyone brave enough to attack a Model F and mod it.

I'm interested in that 5%. Small changes are beautiful, elegant, subtle, and are what lead to big ideas.

I suppose that my point is that IBM did a lot of work on the front end and, in the 1980s, usually got it right.

In my opinion, after the 1390131 the small changes were ugly, inelegant, and cheap.

After you have disassembled a Model F, you pretty much lose interest in the M.
Most of the modding can be done on your own once you break through the psychological barriers.

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Re: 127001's Classified Thread
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:53:13 »
Trade being made with h2gofast. Thanks.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 26 November 2013, 22:18:34 »
Added a new Item up for trade :D

Also,
I know people have voiced opinions that most Model M's are the same but I have to say that after having put a bunch of them on display I can not believe how different each one is. It's really fascinating the amount of work, the number of people, and the number of organization that amount to the minute changes that all add up into a complete different keyboard. It's hard to really explain in pictures. I hope people can see it in person some day.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 26 November 2013, 22:28:01 »
actually, since I own a few myself and have been cleaning them, I do agree that the internals change in small ways. (Dunno how to describe since I don't know anything about pcbs). But I don't think they ever changed the mould for the casing; these are really very similar.

As I am not an engineer I have little interest in whether there is one layout or another inside. To me no layout is ever an easy or elegant layout. But I suppose you, 127001, are an engineer and to you these things make sense. I can imagine changes in circuit board design would make the keyboard have less conflicts or use less power or whatever that engineers will be very happy about, while non-engineers will never know because they won't know that the PCB's lifespan has just been extended from 50 million keystrokes to 100 million, or that power consumption has been decreased by 10% on an item that probably added less than 0.01% to their utility bills.

Added a new Item up for trade :D

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I know people have voiced opinions that most Model M's are the same but I have to say that after having put a bunch of them on display I can not believe how different each one is. It's really fascinating the amount of work, the number of people, and the number of organization that amount to the minute changes that all add up into a complete different keyboard. It's hard to really explain in pictures. I hope people can see it in person some day.
Most of the modding can be done on your own once you break through the psychological barriers.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 26 November 2013, 22:37:18 »
Truthfully I haven't compared the PCB's at all :P. What I'm talking about is from a purely exterior standpoint

Also I'm no engineer; I study Networking and Systems Administration. My job is mostly programming.

I did study architecture for 3 years. I think that this is where my view of these things is coming from. It's about how the lines on the body, and keys change. Of the 10 boards I have on display right now not one of them has the same body. In addition all of those are completely different from the one I'm using right now. I love it!

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:56:06 »
Whoops you ain't an engineer and whoops you were talking about the casings!

It takes an architect to figure this out. I never really paid attention to the external lines or whatever you call them. They all look the same to me, and they are equally annoying because when painting it is hard to paint them properly!

As for keys, I've long since mixed up my keycaps and don't know which ones belong to which board anymore... too many mix and match dye jobs. So there is no way I can do a display of my keyboards that would satisfy any purist.

Can you show us photos of your collection? In chronological order if possible? I want to carefully examine and compare the differences. I own mostly the same things, darn it, and never bothered to take photos when they came to me dirty, so now lots of paint jobs and dye jobs and swapped casings later, I can't tell how any of them looked originally anymore.

Truthfully I haven't compared the PCB's at all :P. What I'm talking about is from a purely exterior standpoint

Also I'm no engineer; I study Networking and Systems Administration. My job is mostly programming.

I did study architecture for 3 years. I think that this is where my view of these things is coming from. It's about how the lines on the body, and keys change. Of the 10 boards I have on display right now not one of them has the same body. In addition all of those are completely different from the one I'm using right now. I love it!
Most of the modding can be done on your own once you break through the psychological barriers.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 05:17:02 »
There's a link to my collection in my signature, it has most of them and the detail potatos in chronological order. I'll try to take some better ones later ; maybe make a gif to show the differences.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 08:28:22 »
Looking at your collection, I can see that I lack the top two (are these the M15 and the M2?) and the bottommost beam spring. Yeah, I should be very happy. M15 and Beam Spring aren't within my budget to collect anyway. I thought when you were talking about lines you meant the groves in the plastic casing. These guys are darn hard to clean and even harder to paint evenly.

There's a link to my collection in my signature, it has most of them and the detail potatos in chronological order. I'll try to take some better ones later ; maybe make a gif to show the differences.
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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M & DasKeyboard for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 01 December 2013, 15:10:12 »
Added a DasKeyboard up for trade or sale.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M & DasKeyboard for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 03 December 2013, 19:49:50 »
bump.

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Re: [WTT] IBM Model M & DasKeyboard for IBM Model M (or something)
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 10 December 2013, 18:08:24 »
Bump.
These are going to go for cheap.

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Re: All Of This For a Complete Set of Stepped Kishsaver Caps
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:48:45 »
Changed some terms :P
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