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Offline dw_junon

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« on: Mon, 02 February 2009, 16:35:46 »
I don't think I've seen this come up before here, so here goes...

Thanks I suppose to Mr Ermita, it seems that US Patent #4118611 Aug 30, 1977 by Richard Hunter Harris for the "Buckling spring torsional snap actuator" is pretty familiar around here.

It's immediately obvious (at least to us lot) that it refers to keyboard switches, though there is an earlier Harris patent from '71, referenced in the '77 patent, which appears to be the initiation of using a spring like this, developing the idea from snap action switches.  He also refers to a '71 Holzer patent with a very interesting system, but I digress.

However, The Harris Patent of '77 refers to "Individual electrical contacts... shown mounted on a circuit board or other similar non-conductive substrate" and furthermore states that the contacts "constitute plates in a capacitive switching system".

This sounds distinctly like Model F technology.

There is a later patent by Edwin T. Coleman, III which references The Harris Patent, for a "Rocking switch actuator for a low force membrane contact switch", filed in October '83, issued July '85, which describes "a pivoting rocking actuator"  with a "membrane contact switch assembly".  The membrane assembly "includes an upper layer... of an electrically insulating material, an intermediate layer... of an electrically insulating material, and a lower layer... of an electrically insulating material."

Coleman makes clear that the new "invention is an improvement of the aforesaid Harris patent in that the cost of the present invention is substantially less, approximately half, than the apparatus of the aforesaid Harris patent.".  This corresponds to the view presented by DeFosse et al. in "Development of a membrane switch-type full-travel tactile keyboard" in the IBM Research Journal in September '85, which opens with opens with the words "To reduce cost in the area of keyboards...".

In other words, I'm pretty sure that this Coleman patent is a better reference for the Model M than The Harris Patent.

Note that while Coleman refers to a "low force" switch, the key travel/key force plots are remarkably similar (click for the entries at Google Patents):

ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 02 February 2009, 17:35:54 »
Good find. The Harris patent 4118611 does sound like Model F.

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In U.S. Pat. No. 4,118,611 to Harris, there is shown a pivoting switch actuator using a buckling compression spring to move the actuator in response to depression of a key whereby the actuator causes closing and opening of a switch through changing the capacitance between contacts with which the actuator cooperates. The actuator of the aforesaid Harris patent pivots about a single pivot point when a key is depressed.


The rocker actuator in Coleman patent 4528431 (Fig. 8) looks just like the one in the 5576-A01. I assume this is the same as Model M:
http://park16.wakwak.com/~ex4/kb/tech_bucklingspring_e.htm

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 02 February 2009, 17:55:44 »
I'd like to put that graph on a t-shirt :)

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 02 February 2009, 20:01:59 »
Quote from: Chloe;20634
Good find. The Harris patent 4118611 does sound like Model F.

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In U.S. Pat. No. 4,118,611 to Harris, there is shown a pivoting switch actuator using a buckling compression spring to move the actuator in response to depression of a key whereby the actuator causes closing and opening of a switch through changing the capacitance between contacts with which the actuator cooperates. The actuator of the aforesaid Harris patent pivots about a single pivot point when a key is depressed.


The rocker actuator in Coleman patent 4528431 (Fig. 8) looks just like the one in the 5576-A01. I assume this is the same as Model M:
http://park16.wakwak.com/~ex4/kb/tech_bucklingspring_e.htm


Ah, interesting; thanks.  Not an exact replica perhaps, but surely very much the same idea.  There's not really any reason why those should be identical to the original drawing anyway, particularly given that this was redesigned in Japan(?).




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I'd like to put that graph on a t-shirt :)


heh, yeah.  In my case, I imagine I'd just scare people, but that could be fun in itself, perhaps.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 02 February 2009, 21:30:03 »
so thats the actual rocker switch, huh? Interesting. Its much bigger than I expected.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 03 February 2009, 06:50:45 »
Quote from: wellington1869;20663
so thats the actual rocker switch, huh? Interesting. Its much bigger than I expected.

Well, they're from the Japanese Type 5576 keyboards, submodels 003 and A01, which use individual detachable modules for each key (click the photos).

Ah, there is a photo on 3m3718.com's mpr0n page of some from a '401:

http://www.3m3718.com/imx/keyboard/modelm/rockers.jpg

I'm not even going to dare to try to display it in-line; I suspect shenanigans.  So paste into something unlikely, like Links maybe, and see if you can manage to get it to display.  If that doesn't even work, just go to http://www.3m3718.com/ on the right day of the week and click Model M, and then the deconstructive bullet point.

Perhaps there is an image elsewhere on this forum?...
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 03 February 2009, 09:36:17 »
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 03 February 2009, 13:13:07 »
thanks bht.  they look about the same size to me though. the rocker switch almost looks wider than the actual key!

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 03 February 2009, 19:51:41 »
Quote from: bhtooefr;20707
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Ah, super.  Thanks for that.

While it is harder to see the detail in that picture, I reckon they do resemble that figure 8 from the Coleman patent pretty near.  More so than the 5576 rockers, anyway.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 04 February 2009, 05:06:18 »
some pictures of rocking hammer

comparison; bottom image of A01 and M


comparison; upper image of A01 and M


upper image of M's rocker


bottom image of M's rocker


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Offline dw_junon

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 04 February 2009, 06:28:34 »
Quote from: sandy55;20771
some pictures of rocking hammer

Fantastic pictures, Sandy!  Thank you!

I must say, I did not realise the M rocker was so much wider than the A01's from the earlier pictures.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 04 February 2009, 12:10:34 »
great pics

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 06 February 2009, 00:05:31 »
Here are some pictures of the capacitive rocker actuator:
http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/model_m_trivia.html#5640991