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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #200 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:44:52 »
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #201 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 12:52:08 »
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.

Oh i am sure there is media out there for it. It may be that even an aggressive media for steel would work ok for what you want. The problem is those stones are for sek finishing or finishing. They are used a lot in reloading. Throw all your brass in to clean it up for 8 hours or so and it comes out good as new. There are also compounds you can put in the water to help polish better.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #202 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 13:43:38 »
unworked steel doesn't quite have the surface hardness of titanium. surface hardness of cp4 is similar to precipitation hardened stainless (17, 18 series), or heat treated cold worked mild steel. it's also very similar to precipitation hardened aluminum alloys, but quite a bit less than anodized aluminum. for reference, it's in the C20s on the rockwell scale.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #203 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 13:48:17 »
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.

Oh i am sure there is media out there for it. It may be that even an aggressive media for steel would work ok for what you want. The problem is those stones are for sek finishing or finishing. They are used a lot in reloading. Throw all your brass in to clean it up for 8 hours or so and it comes out good as new. There are also compounds you can put in the water to help polish better.


Oh I'm sure there is a media out there too. However, I doubt the metals department has it since they almost never use ti. Plus, I wasn't picky since most of the time they don't like doing personal projects, even as simple as media tumbling.

I'll have pictures up of the hand sanded one up once I find a camera.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #204 on: Tue, 22 April 2014, 21:04:09 »
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #205 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 07:39:40 »
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #206 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 08:06:37 »
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?

I'm waiting on getting tools done. They need to be hand sanded, ground, checked and bent before I can ship them. The people who got plates get priority as a bonus but I have to get done with them first...
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #207 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 14:27:40 »
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.

Pics of *raw* plates please!

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #208 on: Fri, 25 April 2014, 17:53:49 »
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?

I'm waiting on getting tools done. They need to be hand sanded, ground, checked and bent before I can ship them. The people who got plates get priority as a bonus but I have to get done with them first...

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #209 on: Fri, 25 April 2014, 23:24:23 »
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.

Pics of *raw* plates please!

the uncut sheet looks pretty much like the ground plate in the picture above (although it was a potato-pic, i can't fit the whole sheet and skid into my apartment at the moment)

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #210 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 22:19:25 »
I got 7 sets ground tonight. I'm hoping to get those 7 sanded and bent tomorrow so I can sent out a PM for shipping info.

Hoping..... no promises :|
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #211 on: Mon, 28 April 2014, 07:14:58 »
Fingers crossed xD

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #212 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 17:51:14 »
Alright, I don't see myself getting switch tools done. So I'll be sending PMs for shipping info/payment for all GB members. You'll still get first dibs at switch tools, but I feel bad about hanging onto these plates this long, I know you guys want them.

Only thing that sucks will  be shipping for switch tools if you want them....

Expect PMs later tonight or tomorrow.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #213 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 18:39:49 »
i think this is the right plan. shipping switch tools is only a couple dollars.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #214 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:02:41 »
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

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Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #215 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:18:33 »
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

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Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #216 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:38:14 »
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
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Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.

Thanks for the advice, JD.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #217 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 18:03:57 »
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
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Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.

Thanks for the advice, JD.

I place the smallest end on a table, and the other edge in my hand. Using my other hand, I just push down until the plate lays flat. You can fine tune the bending my moving your hand until it's flat.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #218 on: Sat, 17 May 2014, 18:07:21 »
gentle pressure on this material flattens it out quite nicely. remember that to make a slightly winged material flat, you can't just flatten it and hope it stays that way. you have to bend it very slightly against the bend so that it is, under pressure, bent slightly in the exact opposite arc, and then release the pressure slowly. the_beast's method is quite nice, not to gain extra leverage, but to keep careful control over the process.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #219 on: Mon, 19 May 2014, 04:46:25 »
Received in the UK, thanks beast. Mine was also warped. I was an idiot and tried to fix it to my PCB anyway....didn't work,  typing surface remained warped and PCB just bent with the plate. Keyboard was 100% functional just not flat. I'm going to get a new poker2 and try and straighten out the plate this time.
With Beast's method do i pout a small section of the plate on the table and then press into it , then shift along so more plate is on the table and bend it flat piece by piece? Is there a risk I can snap it by hand? I know titanium is strong but I don't want to be over confident with my hulk hands :)


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« Reply #220 on: Thu, 22 May 2014, 02:34:47 »
snapping it in half requires about a 2 ton press. you're safe there.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #221 on: Mon, 26 May 2014, 13:24:13 »
snapping it in half requires about a 2 ton press. you're safe there.

Yeh im 95% there to having it flat. Just bending it on the table worked like a charm.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #222 on: Mon, 16 June 2014, 13:11:20 »
Nevermind, it went to the correct address and was waiting for me when I got in last night.  Sorry for the false alarm.  Thanks!
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #223 on: Mon, 16 June 2014, 16:02:18 »
I don't mean to hijack the post, but I figured since you're doing this for 60% plates... I'm curious if it would be possible to do the same for 75% plates. (A QFR / Filco plate for example). There are a lot of people that would be interested in acquiring them from you (including myself) if you were able to do that.

EDIT: nvm didn't see it was a group buy  :'(

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #224 on: Wed, 18 June 2014, 21:35:03 »
i may do a few 80% (TKL) plates in round 3 (round 2 is in the geekhackers vendor forum). i would have to get them to nest nicely with the 60% GH60 plates i'll be running though, which is tough because of the dimensions (4.something by 13.something inches -- just a little too big to use the space efficiently...)

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #225 on: Wed, 25 June 2014, 18:05:35 »
Hi are you going to do new round for 60% poker II ?
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #226 on: Sun, 13 July 2014, 00:18:24 »
Is this still active?

If so, does the plate fit onto GON's NS38?

Thanks.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #227 on: Thu, 14 August 2014, 16:57:32 »
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #228 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 05:47:26 »
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.

I was in on Round 1 of the 60% plates and they are well worth the money. That being said if it is on geekhackers.org it is going to happen. The site is along the lines of ctrlalt.io, techkeys.net, and many of the other reliable vendor pages.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #229 on: Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:17:50 »
ISO Plate installed



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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #230 on: Mon, 18 August 2014, 10:26:00 »
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.
yah, i just have to collect enough orders to run a full sheet

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #231 on: Sun, 21 September 2014, 06:27:27 »
Are these plates still available?

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #232 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 12:16:17 »
Yes, geekhackers.org

Gogogo so we can get a full sheet faster.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #233 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 17:06:42 »
Yes, geekhackers.org

Gogogo so we can get a full sheet faster.
How many till a full sheet? ;p may order more than one.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #234 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 11:15:47 »
You'll have to message Mkawa.

I was considering adding a TKL plate as well, to fill up the sheet faster. Let me know what you find.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #235 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 21:07:20 »
You'll have to message Mkawa.

I was considering adding a TKL plate as well, to fill up the sheet faster. Let me know what you find.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #236 on: Tue, 17 March 2015, 13:32:42 »
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I just bought a board with this plate in it and I noticed something I also notice in this picture. It doesn't seem like the switches snap into the plate. I believe they need 1.5mm plate to be able to snap in but this is just about 2mm thick. I notice the plate bending in some places and the switches not sitting flush with the plate. You can see it on the right most switch in the picture above. Is this just something we have to live with? I'm guessing so. Just seems to defeat the point of a plate if you cant snap anything to it, including costar stabs.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #237 on: Tue, 17 March 2015, 13:47:49 »
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #238 on: Tue, 17 March 2015, 14:01:16 »
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Hmm, I just pulled mine back out of it's case and it measures 2.0mm. OP says it's .078" which is 1.98mm. Kinda bummed I bought this now. Seems silly to make a plate that can't correctly act as a plate.

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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #239 on: Tue, 17 March 2015, 14:11:23 »
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Hmm, I just pulled mine back out of it's case and it measures 2.0mm. OP says it's .078" which is 1.98mm. Kinda bummed I bought this now. Seems silly to make a plate that can't correctly act as a plate.
Huh, that's very strange.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #240 on: Tue, 17 March 2015, 18:13:41 »
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Nope, kawa supplied 14 gauge ti

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- 14 gauge/.078" CP4 grade (aerospace grade) titanium provided by mkawa


The plate I have installed seems to work fine with the thicker plate
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #241 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:14:34 »
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Nope, kawa supplied 14 gauge ti

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- 14 gauge/.078" CP4 grade (aerospace grade) titanium provided by mkawa


The plate I have installed seems to work fine with the thicker plate

It "works" in the sense that it seems to stay put. But it's just held in place with friction. Switches wont snap in, nor will Costar stabilizers. The plate is too thick and the clips can't seat correctly causing the stabilizers to bind. I can work my way around the plate pushing it down and it will fall off of the switches and hit the PCB.
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Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
« Reply #242 on: Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:38:30 »
It "works" in the sense that it seems to stay put. But it's just held in place with friction. Switches wont snap in, nor will Costar stabilizers. The plate is too thick and the clips can't seat correctly causing the stabilizers to bind. I can work my way around the plate pushing it down and it will fall off of the switches and hit the PCB.

You just need a 3mm thick spacer with oversized switch holes under that plate, and you're golden. :)
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