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Razer to release their own keyswitch
« on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 09:58:46 »
Any know about that, this pic is on their site

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There're also an article here (in Chinese unfortunately)

http://article.pchome.net/content-1701570.html

But the video in it is in English so http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjgxNTQyNDEy.html

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(screenshot from the video)


So any body have any information on this thing, is it another "Kailh" stuff or what?

Edit: it's official right after I submit the thread, hmm...

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:07:21 »
Wonder if we can put those stems in cherry switches :o

Razer orange that is tactile and silent...45g actuation

I'm thinking they just made there own blue and brown with different spring weights.
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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:11:01 »
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Requiring a force of only 50g to actuate, these new switches reset at almost half the distance of traditional mechanical switches, so you can double-tap effortlessly with blazing speed.

Interesting.. anybody ever heard of something like this before?
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:13:25 »
They look Cherry compatible. Just tweaked stems? Looking forward to somebody getting their hands on some and doin some good old fashioned Ripster-style keyboard science.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:13:32 »
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:15:07 »
Lots of companies seem to be releasing "their own" switches these days...Razer, tT, Noppoo, probably others as well.

Like the OP, I have to wonder how many of these are actually just Kailhs. Higher actuation point, as described in the specs on Razer's site, would be consistent with Kailh. And Kailh has been more than happy, in the past, to let keyboard makers advertise the switches under the keyboard's brand rather than Kailh's.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:16:57 »
I'm predicting that these will be on par with the Kailh switches.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:17:00 »
I'm surprised they didn't go RGBLED as well.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:20:28 »
seem like the point of this is shorten the way to actuation point, for quicker respond maybe :v


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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:20:32 »
I think i read somewhere they're just Kailhs. I'll dig around when I get home

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:24:34 »
It's a bold strategy cotton. Let's see if it pays off for em.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:25:59 »
Wow! 0,3mm higher actuation! That is INCREDIBLE! I will totally own those nerds with my new Razer switches.

I bet Cherry is not very happy about this.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:27:20 »
Yeah look almost identical to Cherry switch.  I think they just redesigned the switch housing "locking tabs" so it seems easier to open the switch now.  Also maybe modified the stems a bit for shorter actuation.

And now they claim it's "all new".  =____=

Also "first switch designed for gaming" lol wouldn't linear more of a gaming switch?

They just modded MX Blue and MX Brown basically.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:30:23 »
Yeah, marketing at its best -_-
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:31:13 »
The housing of the switches looks just like any other kailh switches.
If it cost lower i call dips on kailh switches and if it cost higher i'll still call dips on kailh switches
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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:31:59 »
What are these kailh switches?  Are they a Cherry clone?
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:33:02 »
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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:33:43 »
also, I remember Cherry has a lifetime of 50 millions keystroke, why'd Razer only put 20 in there ?
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:34:16 »
What are these kailh switches?  Are they a Cherry clone?

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:35:23 »
curious, shame there boards are hiddious

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:35:40 »
also, I remember Cherry has a lifetime of 50 millions keystroke, why'd Razer only put 20 in there ?

Because marketing.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:55:17 »
Wow! 0,3mm higher actuation! That is INCREDIBLE! I will totally own those nerds with my new Razer switches.

I bet Cherry is not very happy about this.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:55:41 »
What are these kailh switches?  Are they a Cherry clone?

http://imgur.com/a/7ujle

lol they cloned Cherry ML switch too.  :P

also, I remember Cherry has a lifetime of 50 millions keystroke, why'd Razer only put 20 in there ?

Because marketing.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 10:59:18 »
I'll be amazed if these are in any way better than Cherry switches. Something tells me Razer realised they could chuck Cherry clones in at a 1/4 of the price and people would be none the wiser. Unfortunately they're probably right.
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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:22:57 »
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:29:03 »
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."

Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:32:07 »
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:32:36 »
Razer when released their first mech board they advertised it as 50 Million click life span, now when they rebrand some cheap MX copy and they say "regular switches" life span is 20 million clicks? This is why! when someone again makes a thread "why teh hatte guyz?"...
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:33:23 »
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?

isn't everything? razer is probably paying much less for these switches and will probably charge more, pure speculation of course.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:36:52 »
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."

Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.

Why does a league of lesbians player opinion matter again? o. o you press 4 buttons no **** they're gonna use black widow

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:40:32 »
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?

How dare you! 0,3mm absolutely matters!

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:44:14 »
                         

tbh.. I'm tempted to get those orange keyswitches..  :p
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:44:22 »
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."

Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.

Why does a league of lesbians player opinion matter again? o. o you press 4 buttons no **** they're gonna use black widow

lol... dota is basically the same thing
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:46:04 »
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?

isn't everything? razer is probably paying much less for these switches and will probably charge more, pure speculation of course.


It is called integrator. They do the market thing while others do the design and manufacturing...Of course the first gets the lion's share.

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:46:54 »
It doesn't matter  for dota either.... game might be harder but same 4 buttons
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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:52:13 »
When i first saw the Picture all I thought was are they some new Cherry, But after reading this i see now its a cheap clone.

I am curious as to how they claim better reliability that Cherry's and why they have said that the standard switch does 3/5 less key-presses than quoted as I know cherry test to 50 mill presses.

I would like to try this to see how different the feel and use of the board is. and would like to see if those stems can be thrown into my Flico if they are better.

this does smell of profit driven to me. more than anything, Re-branding the switch which is probably cheaper by a good margin that the Cherry's they did use and they no doubt butting a higher price on the new one with 'Razer' switches in.

I think my favorite part is the LoL player interview..... Im pretty sure for MoBA games any mechanical board will do. Macros if memory serves are banned in tournament play anyway, the man key press combos would at worse be something like Ctrl-T or Alt-S nothing more than that. The mouse is so much more important that the board. Its just razer throwing a big name into advertising so that they sell more products, Hell i have seen razer sponsored people using non razer gear in their own time because they don't like what they get given

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 11:58:42 »
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:01:45 »
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.

^this!  :))

but, stem breaking off did happen to cherry mx also right? ;D
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:06:24 »
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.

^this!  :))

but, stem breaking off did happen to cherry mx also right? ;D

I feel the biggest factor to breaking stems off is not pulling them straight in line with the switch.  That and/or leaving the stem exposed to sun light/UV light would have a considerable effect on the plastic as well.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:13:44 »
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.

Kailh switches are notorious for that from what I've heard, and I take it these new "Razer" switches will be in the same ballpark quality-wise.
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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:17:43 »
Has anyone considered razer did this in response to the rumors that logitech bought up most of cherry's production capacity?

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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:21:16 »
Has anyone considered razer did this in response to the rumors that logitech bought up most of cherry's production capacity?

I think it is more of a response to Corsair getting an exclusive deal on the RGB switches.

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:23:11 »
I have worked in manufacturing facilities for quite some time in various fields.  I highly doubt that any single keyboard company could buy any sizable precentage of a switch manufacturers production time that other companies would have to seen other means.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:24:04 »
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."

Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.

Why does a league of lesbians player opinion matter again? o. o you press 4 buttons no **** they're gonna use black widow


So the more keys you use in a game the better it is? Damn, hearthstone sucks since it's keyboard less!!!
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:25:55 »
I do have to repeatedly mash keys when I miss my abilities and/or my items.

This makes me a better player/keyboard enthusiast, right?

I'm not going to start the LoL vs Dota argument on here though :)
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:29:54 »
Does anyone know what this mysterious "standard mechanical switch" specifications they are throwing around in the comparison chart?

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:31:37 »
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Online Jixr

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 12:33:51 »
Does anyone know what this mysterious "standard mechanical switch" specifications they are throwing around in the comparison chart?

They are bashing the cherry switches they used to prase as elite gamer switches lol  :p