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Offline MANISH7

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NIB Model M 1991 White Label
« on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:30:29 »
This is part #1394540. It is white label and without drainage holes. This is identical to the common 1391401 but has two speakers.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-Part-1394540-NEW_W0QQitemZ310132850333QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item310132850333&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

The above sold for $27. If I hadn't butted in with a $26 bid, the buyer would have gotten it for $22. I feel bad about wasting a couple of his bucks. I just bid for the heck it, in case of dumb luck I did get it for $26.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-Part-1394540-NEW_W0QQitemZ250402561136QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item250402561136&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Here are blue label 1391401 made by IBM. Just as good IMO.

One hour to go (04/08)  - UPDATE SOLD for $37.

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-1391401-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-1392090-NEW_W0QQitemZ310132719728QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item310132719728&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

(2 days to go)

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-1391401-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-1392090-NEW_W0QQitemZ310133998297QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item310133998297&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

(9 days to go)

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-1391401-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-1392090-NEW_W0QQitemZ250398892131QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item250398892131&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
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Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:32:08 »
When they say NIB, they mean NIB. The keyboard is sealed to the foam with original tape. All of these keyboards come without cables (so just order one from Unicomp).
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Offline FKSSR

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 16:02:14 »
Thanks for posting.  I may keep my eye on them, but I'd rather have a black Unicomp, at this point.
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Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 19:49:31 »
Cool! I paid $50 and was ecstatic :) These guys are awesome. How long ago did you get yours? I just got mine this week.
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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 21:15:27 »
I've been keeping eye on those trying to decide if I want one or not. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_Keyboard the 1394540 was "Made for IBM RS/6000 computer. Contains real speaker". So it may work but I don't know.
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Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 23:34:46 »
Quote from: ripster;27577
The "real speaker" thing makes me suspicious.  I thought IBM used an older mold for the cases but never put a speaker in the keyboards for PCs.

On the other hand the cable connector is a SDR connector so it MIGHT be for a PC.

Someone should ask this seller if it works with PCs.  He obviously knows and should be mentioning it if it doesn't.

- Ripster


I didn't ask the seller but I did find this about the IBM RS/6000 keyboards http://www.tifaq.org/keyboards/accessories-interfaces.html#pc-rios which states that the board will not work in a normal PC without a converter and then also some extra software. So maybe it would be a good parts board.
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Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard
Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline Hak Foo

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 01:18:01 »
Quote from: rdjack21;27580
I didn't ask the seller but I did find this about the IBM RS/6000 keyboards http://www.tifaq.org/keyboards/accessories-interfaces.html#pc-rios which states that the board will not work in a normal PC without a converter and then also some extra software. So maybe it would be a good parts board.


It sounds like (but don't take this as gospel) they're talking about the other way:  the guy has some AT-style ergo keyboard he was trying to plug into the RS/6000; he had to adapt it down to a PS/2 style plug, and then run some program on the RS/6000 to make it work.  But it actually sounds like he was hot-swapping the keyboard too, which is (apparently) not broadly supported for PS/2 interfaces.

The issue is does it work the other way.
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Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 12:02:45 »
I just want to mention that the blue label 1391401s made by IBM are really awesome too. It is just as heavy and solid and well constructed as the white label. I actually like the blue color too. If you can get a blue label 1391401 for less than $60  I'd call it a good deal and certainly a fair one (these things were originally priced in 1990 at $100 IIRC). I don't think its quality is any lesser than the white label. I wouldn't say the same for the other Lexmark made models.
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Offline FKSSR

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 13:31:40 »
hahahha.  Sweet!  That just lends more credibility to my belief that there has to be at least one reference to the Model M in the "Good Book." :P
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Offline dw_junon

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 18:23:15 »
I'm wondering what a "fake speaker" is.

The speaker in the P/N 1394540 functions as the system speaker for earlier RS/6000 computers, which makes sense if you think of having a remote console away from the system itself (and system beeps actually being useful).

As far as I was able to find out a speaker was never offered with PC products, though could well have been intended.  A suggestion that it was implemented in a "MF-I" [Multi Function 1] keyboard, which I have seen repeated, was retracted by its author.

The speaker is controlled by the two extra lines that are usually redundant on a PS/2 6 pin mini-DIN, so if you were using a 1394540 with a RS6K product you would need a six conductor cable.  For a PS/2 application, you won't be able to do anything with speaker, but I always wondered whether it would complain if you didn't have the six conductor cable.

Anyway, it's a good example of how functionally similar IBM keyboards were between product lines, in this case to the point that they can be swapped!  Only one way, mind...
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 09 April 2009, 03:39:49 »
Quote from: MANISH7;27516
I feel bad about wasting a couple of his bucks.
This is just how ebay works. The 2nd highest bidder defines the value.
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