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Offline Bucake

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hi guys,

i've been wanting to lube up my reds for a while and i'm about to have some money to get the good stuff :j
there isn't really a budget yet, as i don't really know the product well enough to 'put a price on it'.

i'd really appreciate you guys' insight, experience, knowledge, etcetera, on this matter :J
and please ask if more information would help :D
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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 15 April 2014, 17:22:11 »
Krytox Switch Lurbricant Thin Formula, you can get it from techkeys or mechanicalkeyboards.com

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 01:31:46 »
thank you :j

do you have any experiece with this mix yourself, by any chance?
i'm curious to if the lube stays in place and to how fast it evaporates (relative to other mixes or oils)..

is this mix good for every part of the switch, or should i get a seperate oil for the springs?
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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 18:49:56 »
There is no need to lubricate springs.

Lubrication is only helpful where surfaces slide against each other.

I like the thin Krytox (using a small almost-dry artist's paint brush) for the sliders, and a tiny droplet of the goo where the wire stabilizers clip in to plastic.
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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 15:16:02 »
There is no need to lubricate springs.

Lubrication is only helpful where surfaces slide against each other.

I like the thin Krytox (using a small almost-dry artist's paint brush) for the sliders, and a tiny droplet of the goo where the wire stabilizers clip in to plastic.

Well, I think lubrication along the bottom and top circular edges of the spring is definitely helpful. If you notice, in some switches, if you press down, you hear this sort of metal scratching noise, which is the top and bottom of the spring, which has a coil termination, slightly rotating upon depression and making a scratching noise. What I did was keep trying different spring positions until it didn't make scratching noise, or lube the top and bottom circular edges, so they slide without rough scraping.

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 21:44:27 »
so, as a disclaimer, i am the source of the geekhackers krytox kits that are sold by mechanicalkeyboards.com and techkeys.

but i do want to mention that i was of the same opinion as fohat.digs, and that because of this, the one keyboard kits don't include any spring lube. the lube in those kits is definitely meant for either side of the slider's friction points: the sides of the housing where the slider carriages move along, and the front of the slider (linear switches only!) where the slider actuates the crosspoint contact.

HOWEVER, i think i've been convinced that there is  change in feeling between unlubed springs and lubed springs. at first i thought that the lube on the springs could only act to dampen them. however, i sampled some of the popular victorinox lube and actually ended up formulating a fluorinated krytox mix that i feel gives the same positives but is superior in longevity and stability, because there is definitely some friction going on there and the lube not only dampens but also smooths out the sliding friction and adds some stiction (static friction; i will go into this in a video at some point) where needed.

i will go into this in a future video or podcast, but the basic idea is that the springs twist on their perches like, well, most springs, and because the springs are the primary opposing force in an mx-compatible switch, rotation at the perches not only can be felt but more importantly, the movement of the coils on the perches makes a subtle low noise that can be heard and may even be interpreted as tactile roughness. another thing that i was just being dumb about is that the stem at the bottom of the slider moves directly inside the bottom chassis stem, and thin lube in there doesn't have the same spring damping effect as thick lube in there.

finally, it's worth nothing that only an absolutely perfect continuously isometric spring compresses without any lateral motion along the length of the spring. this lateral motion turns into friction as the spring hits the chassis' stem housing. again, i think it's mostly sound, but the brain is very good at picking up on these things.

ultimately, it's a subjective thing. you should put lube on the parts of the switch that make it feel better to you.
that said, i must say, i no longer look at switches and say "oh, you definitely don't want lube there".

i'm not sure what the point of this post was. but, i do know that you should use the lube and the lube points that make the most sense to you. i provide krytox because it was extremely popular but very very hard to obtain before i made the jump into distributing it (it costs approximately as much as cocaine, for reference). i had actually never lubed a single board until late last year XD, and it wasn't until i had been vending it for months that i realized how hard it was to mix and dispense and moved to pre-mixed and packaged-in-dispensers kits. anyway, it's certainly been a grand learning experience for me (friction is quite an amazing physical phenomenon (!!)), and one that has taught me that using friction modifiers in moving assemblies is almost always better than not using friction modifiers _as long as the modifier is formulated appropriately to provide a positive benefit_.

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 08:37:34 »
thanks alot for the responses, i appreciate the input.

i think i've been convinced that there is  change in feeling between unlubed springs and lubed springs. at first i thought that the lube on the springs could only act to dampen them. however, i sampled some of the popular victorinox lube and actually ended up formulating a fluorinated krytox mix that i feel gives the same positives but is superior in longevity and stability, because there is definitely some friction going on there and the lube not only dampens but also smooths out the sliding friction and adds some stiction (static friction; i will go into this in a video at some point) where needed.

i will go into this in a future video or podcast, but the basic idea is that the springs twist on their perches like, well, most springs, and because the springs are the primary opposing force in an mx-compatible switch, rotation at the perches not only can be felt but more importantly, the movement of the coils on the perches makes a subtle low noise that can be heard and may even be interpreted as tactile roughness. another thing that i was just being dumb about is that the stem at the bottom of the slider moves directly inside the bottom chassis stem, and thin lube in there doesn't have the same spring damping effect as thick lube in there.

finally, it's worth nothing that only an absolutely perfect continuously isometric spring compresses without any lateral motion along the length of the spring. this lateral motion turns into friction as the spring hits the chassis' stem housing. again, i think it's mostly sound, but the brain is very good at picking up on these things.

ultimately, it's a subjective thing. you should put lube on the parts of the switch that make it feel better to you.
that said, i must say, i no longer look at switches and say "oh, you definitely don't want lube there".

i'm not sure what the point of this post was. but, i do know that you should use the lube and the lube points that make the most sense to you. i provide krytox because it was extremely popular but very very hard to obtain before i made the jump into distributing it (it costs approximately as much as cocaine, for reference). i had actually never lubed a single board until late last year XD, and it wasn't until i had been vending it for months that i realized how hard it was to mix and dispense and moved to pre-mixed and packaged-in-dispensers kits. anyway, it's certainly been a grand learning experience for me (friction is quite an amazing physical phenomenon (!!)), and one that has taught me that using friction modifiers in moving assemblies is almost always better than not using friction modifiers _as long as the modifier is formulated appropriately to provide a positive benefit_.

detailed!! nice :j

reading about experiences convinced me there is a difference (between lubed and unlubed springs), even though it might only be a subtle one. thus i figured that if i was opening the switches up anyway, it can't hurt to just do it (as long as i use the right product).
i feel and hear scratching, and figured at least the feel or sound must be (partially) caused by the springs. i definitely want to lube my springs.

would you recommend me the lube kit from techkeys, then (for the sliders)?
and for for the springs? (i wouldn't mind spending extra if the springs are better off using something different.)
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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 11:01:24 »
I used a mix of Krytox 105/201 for sliders and Victorinox multi-tool oil (cause it's cheaper than krytox) for springs on my first linear build.  Subsequent ones have been using the GH thick formula, but it's really up to you. 

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 12:56:30 »
Has anyone tried the Elitekeyboards lube for switches?

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:10:31 »
Has anyone tried the Elitekeyboards lube for switches?

I used the old (thick) kind for lubricating stabilizer brackets and it works great. But you must be talking about the new kind, I haven't used it.
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:35:27 »
Yeah, meant the new kind.

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Re: What grease/oil/mix to get for lubing (red) Cherry MX switches?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 27 April 2014, 09:49:11 »
I used a mix of Krytox 105/201 for sliders and Victorinox multi-tool oil (cause it's cheaper than krytox) for springs on my first linear build.  Subsequent ones have been using the GH thick formula, but it's really up to you.

do you think applying a mixture (of oil and grease) makes switches feel better than applying only grease does?
and would 1oz oil and 1oz grease be enough for a keyboard?

(i'm thinking of ordering 103 and 205 on ebay.)
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