Gaming keyboards

[Oobly]

Stock Clears are great and can be modded later to ErgoClears once they have worn in and you gain some skill with a soldering iron. Browns are decent, though, IMHO, and I use them on my two most used boards (DIY ergonomic board and a KBT Pure). They help a lot to remedy typos and are still nice and light to press.

Boards with Clears are pretty hard to find, though.

If you like backlighting (or even if you don't since you can switch it off) then this is a good option: https://www.teraset.net/product_details.php?p=10023#.U10aFFeyqt8

Nordic Ducky Shine 3 TKL with Browns.

The Ducky G2Pro has partial backlighting (WASD cluster) and some came with Clears, but they're hard to find.

This could also be a candidate: http://cdon.fi/kodin_elektroniikka/cooler-master/cooler-master-storm-quickfire-tk-brown-cherry-p23693084

Sorry for the Finnish, the sites automatically select the language based on my locale.... Can be VERY frustrating sometimes.

I find I am very used the default spacing of a normal board for gaming, so I like to find the arrow keys and function keys where my fingers are used to finding them. So in that sense a "standard" TKL like the Ducky is good. The stock layout also means you can find full keycap sets that will fit easily. On the other hand I get Defect's point about the compact 75% boards, since the keys are closer together.

For me, the ultimate gaming board is my DIY ergo board due to the thumb keys and layers, etc. Don't have to move my hands at all and I can have up to 45 keys (plus Tab and Backspace) bound with just one hand 60 if the game recognises capitals differently from lower case.

[epzy]

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

[johndavis33]

There are no keyboards with blacks avalible around you?

I remember seeing ONE somewhere.. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like blacks. I dunno.. I just got a feeling I won't like them.

Blacks used to be the go to "gaming switch" back when reds were exceedingly rare. The only reason I mention them is that earlier you said you didn't like how light the reds were, and blacks are just stiffer reds. There's no accidental keypresses with blacks.

You never really know how you'll feel about a switch until you try it yourself

[Sagii]

Okey, just a quick question; what are the benefits/downsides of a clear switch? Is it basically a heavier brown, with a much more pronounced tactile feedback? And would it be suited for gaming as well as typing?

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

Have you actually? Not sure if there is some sarcasm I should pick up there!
If so, which layout? Is it nordic?

What do you guys think of the quickfire TK? And which formfactor is it ? O_o The arrowkeys and numpad is merged into one, does that mean it has the same form factor as a TKL ?

And I do have the option to buy a cmstorm QFR with cherry mx brown or reds.. Right now the nontactile feedback of the reds kinda annoy me.. I'm always unsure wether I've  actuated a key or not. However, I tried browns on a logitech  G710+ and didn't like it at all (as said earlier in this thread), it felt like the reds were dirty. Would I feel the same with QFR, or is it basically just poor quality on the G710+ ? I know it is all personal preference, but I still want to hear you guys opinions
And one more problem I have with the QFR is that it ain't backlit, which is pretty much a must for me.

[epzy]

Okey, just a quick question; what are the benefits/downsides of a clear switch? Is it basically a heavier brown, with a much more pronounced tactile feedback? And would it be suited for gaming as well as typing?

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

Have you actually? Not sure if there is some sarcasm I should pick up there!
If so, which layout? Is it nordic?

What do you guys think of the quickfire TK? And which formfactor is it ? O_o The arrowkeys and numpad is merged into one, does that mean it has the same form factor as a TKL ?

And I do have the option to buy a cmstorm QFR with cherry mx brown or reds.. Right now the nontactile feedback of the reds kinda annoy me.. I'm always unsure wether I've  actuated a key or not. However, I tried browns on a logitech  G710+ and didn't like it at all (as said earlier in this thread), it felt like the reds were dirty. Would I feel the same with QFR, or is it basically just poor quality on the G710+ ? I know it is all personal preference, but I still want to hear you guys opinions
And one more problem I have with the QFR is that it ain't backlit, which is pretty much a must for me.

I do. ISO layout, with black engraved PBT keys. German legends, not Nordic. It's a TKL.

The QFTK is quite OK, idk what % form factor it is, but it's like a full-size keyboard which is only SLIGHTLY bigger than a regular TKL like the QFR. The TK does have that whacky bottom row, though.

Stock browns will feel like dirty reds on both the QFR and G710+... What makes the switches feel extremely weird/bad (subjective of course) is the o-rings. The switches are the same.

The QFR-I (new model) is backlit, btw. The G2Pro w/ Clears isn't fully backlit either for your information.

[Sagii]

Okey, just a quick question; what are the benefits/downsides of a clear switch? Is it basically a heavier brown, with a much more pronounced tactile feedback? And would it be suited for gaming as well as typing?

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

Have you actually? Not sure if there is some sarcasm I should pick up there!
If so, which layout? Is it nordic?

What do you guys think of the quickfire TK? And which formfactor is it ? O_o The arrowkeys and numpad is merged into one, does that mean it has the same form factor as a TKL ?

And I do have the option to buy a cmstorm QFR with cherry mx brown or reds.. Right now the nontactile feedback of the reds kinda annoy me.. I'm always unsure wether I've  actuated a key or not. However, I tried browns on a logitech  G710+ and didn't like it at all (as said earlier in this thread), it felt like the reds were dirty. Would I feel the same with QFR, or is it basically just poor quality on the G710+ ? I know it is all personal preference, but I still want to hear you guys opinions
And one more problem I have with the QFR is that it ain't backlit, which is pretty much a must for me.

I do. ISO layout, with black engraved PBT keys. German legends, not Nordic. It's a TKL.

The QFTK is quite OK, idk what % form factor it is, but it's like a full-size keyboard which is only SLIGHTLY bigger than a regular TKL like the QFR. The TK does have that whacky bottom row, though.

Stock browns will feel like dirty reds on both the QFR and G710+... What makes the switches feel extremely weird/bad (subjective of course) is the o-rings. The switches are the same.

The QFR-I (new model) is backlit, btw. The G2Pro w/ Clears isn't fully backlit either for your information.

Hmm... Okay.. cause the problem I have at the moment is that I'm never sure wether I've pressed a key or not, so I keep pausing every now and then, which is really really annoying, but I do it out of reflexes.

[epzy]

Okey, just a quick question; what are the benefits/downsides of a clear switch? Is it basically a heavier brown, with a much more pronounced tactile feedback? And would it be suited for gaming as well as typing?

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

Have you actually? Not sure if there is some sarcasm I should pick up there!
If so, which layout? Is it nordic?

What do you guys think of the quickfire TK? And which formfactor is it ? O_o The arrowkeys and numpad is merged into one, does that mean it has the same form factor as a TKL ?

And I do have the option to buy a cmstorm QFR with cherry mx brown or reds.. Right now the nontactile feedback of the reds kinda annoy me.. I'm always unsure wether I've  actuated a key or not. However, I tried browns on a logitech  G710+ and didn't like it at all (as said earlier in this thread), it felt like the reds were dirty. Would I feel the same with QFR, or is it basically just poor quality on the G710+ ? I know it is all personal preference, but I still want to hear you guys opinions
And one more problem I have with the QFR is that it ain't backlit, which is pretty much a must for me.

I do. ISO layout, with black engraved PBT keys. German legends, not Nordic. It's a TKL.

The QFTK is quite OK, idk what % form factor it is, but it's like a full-size keyboard which is only SLIGHTLY bigger than a regular TKL like the QFR. The TK does have that whacky bottom row, though.

Stock browns will feel like dirty reds on both the QFR and G710+... What makes the switches feel extremely weird/bad (subjective of course) is the o-rings. The switches are the same.

The QFR-I (new model) is backlit, btw. The G2Pro w/ Clears isn't fully backlit either for your information.

Hmm... Okay.. cause the problem I have at the moment is that I'm never sure wether I've pressed a key or not, so I keep pausing every now and then, which is really really annoying, but I do it out of reflexes.

You most likely won't have that problem with Clears. They are very tactile and it's pretty easy to not bottom out etc.

[Sagii]

Okey, just a quick question; what are the benefits/downsides of a clear switch? Is it basically a heavier brown, with a much more pronounced tactile feedback? And would it be suited for gaming as well as typing?

I haz G2pro with Clears 4 sale, OP. ;PpPPp

Have you actually? Not sure if there is some sarcasm I should pick up there!
If so, which layout? Is it nordic?

What do you guys think of the quickfire TK? And which formfactor is it ? O_o The arrowkeys and numpad is merged into one, does that mean it has the same form factor as a TKL ?

And I do have the option to buy a cmstorm QFR with cherry mx brown or reds.. Right now the nontactile feedback of the reds kinda annoy me.. I'm always unsure wether I've  actuated a key or not. However, I tried browns on a logitech  G710+ and didn't like it at all (as said earlier in this thread), it felt like the reds were dirty. Would I feel the same with QFR, or is it basically just poor quality on the G710+ ? I know it is all personal preference, but I still want to hear you guys opinions
And one more problem I have with the QFR is that it ain't backlit, which is pretty much a must for me.

I do. ISO layout, with black engraved PBT keys. German legends, not Nordic. It's a TKL.

The QFTK is quite OK, idk what % form factor it is, but it's like a full-size keyboard which is only SLIGHTLY bigger than a regular TKL like the QFR. The TK does have that whacky bottom row, though.

Stock browns will feel like dirty reds on both the QFR and G710+... What makes the switches feel extremely weird/bad (subjective of course) is the o-rings. The switches are the same.

The QFR-I (new model) is backlit, btw. The G2Pro w/ Clears isn't fully backlit either for your information.

Hmm... Okay.. cause the problem I have at the moment is that I'm never sure wether I've pressed a key or not, so I keep pausing every now and then, which is really really annoying, but I do it out of reflexes.

You most likely won't have that problem with Clears. They are very tactile and it's pretty easy to not bottom out etc.

But how are they for RTS and FPS ? :/

[epzy]

Every switch works fine for all types of games (RTS, MOBA, MMO, FPS etc) it's just about personal preferences really.

[Sagii]

Argh.. I really want the QFR, but it's not backlit >_< I've kinda decided to try browns instead.. Just cause everyone says the typos you get with reds aren't as noticeable with browns. And I might get used to them.

[Oobly]

Sounds like the Ducky Shine 3 TKL I linked to will do the job. Nordic layout, full backlighting with different modes, Brown switches, TKL layout and the quality is really good, better than a Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid (double sided PCB, slightly better quality parts and build quality overall). A bit more expensive, but worth it.

Teraset sell to all Nordic countries. 

[Sagii]

Sounds like the Ducky Shine 3 TKL I linked to will do the job. Nordic layout, full backlighting with different modes, Brown switches, TKL layout and the quality is really good, better than a Coolermaster Quickfire Rapid (double sided PCB, slightly better quality parts and build quality overall). A bit more expensive, but worth it.

Teraset sell to all Nordic countries. 

Indeed... but then again, that one is quite darn expensive. Or else I woulda bought it at once!

[missalaire]

Argh.. I really want the QFR, but it's not backlit >_< I've kinda decided to try browns instead.. Just cause everyone says the typos you get with reds aren't as noticeable with browns. And I might get used to them.

Cooler Master came out with a backlit version of the QFR, but its like $150 :x At that price, you may as well get a nice Ducky Shine 3 and call it a day.

[Sagii]

Argh.. I really want the QFR, but it's not backlit >_< I've kinda decided to try browns instead.. Just cause everyone says the typos you get with reds aren't as noticeable with browns. And I might get used to them.

Cooler Master came out with a backlit version of the QFR, but its like $150 :x At that price, you may as well get a nice Ducky Shine 3 and call it a day.

Yeah... But over to the Ducky.. I have no experience with it. Is it worth it at that price?

EDIT: You know what... The only TKL KB I can seem to find with a norwegian/nordic layout is actually the CM Storm QFR which hasn't got backlighting :c Seems like I'm destined to never have a TKL...

[epzy]

Argh.. I really want the QFR, but it's not backlit >_< I've kinda decided to try browns instead.. Just cause everyone says the typos you get with reds aren't as noticeable with browns. And I might get used to them.

Cooler Master came out with a backlit version of the QFR, but its like $150 :x At that price, you may as well get a nice Ducky Shine 3 and call it a day.

Yeah... But over to the Ducky.. I have no experience with it. Is it worth it at that price?

EDIT: You know what... The only TKL KB I can seem to find with a norwegian/nordic layout is actually the CM Storm QFR which hasn't got backlighting :c Seems like I'm destined to never have a TKL...

Hint: Spillsjappa.no

[Candyflip]

I believe Ducky Nordic also sells those layouts not sure about availability though..

[Sagii]

I believe Ducky Nordic also sells those layouts not sure about availability though..

Yep, epsy, there's one ducky shine 2 there. WITH cherry mx browns actually. But a nooby question; is it backlit? There's basically NO information whatsoever on spillsjappa, so if I buy I don't know if I get purple light, blue, white, green, or anything at all really >_>

And there's a site called ducky nordic, which hasn't opened yet

[Candyflip]

Yes Ducky shine is backlit hense ''Shine'' stands for  )
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ducky-nordic-keyboards-keycaps-projects-and-misc-stuff-t4718.html?hilit=ducky%20nordic
try this.

[epzy]

I believe Ducky Nordic also sells those layouts not sure about availability though..

Yep, epsy, there's one ducky shine 2 there. WITH cherry mx browns actually. But a nooby question; is it backlit? There's basically NO information whatsoever on spillsjappa, so if I buy I don't know if I get purple light, blue, white, green, or anything at all really >_>

And there's a site called ducky nordic, which hasn't opened yet

http://www.spillsjappa.no/ducky-yyy-tkl-mx-brown-engraved-pbt-nordisk - The "YYY" is also a Shine 3, albeit with much higher quality keycaps, but they're not backlit friendly. There's a Shine 3 Full-size with MX Browns & White LEDs there, too. Just e-mail them about the Shine 2 if you're interested in knowing the LED color I guess.

[Sagii]

Yes Ducky shine is backlit hense ''Shine'' stands for  )
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ducky-nordic-keyboards-keycaps-projects-and-misc-stuff-t4718.html?hilit=ducky%20nordic
try this.

Already been looking at teraset, and the total cost with shipping, tax etc., will land at around 280USD. Unless I checked out the shine 3, can't really remember  )

And guys, don't lynch me for saying this, but it seems like I have two options (if I want backlit), a ducky shine 2 which I got absolutely no clue how will look, besides it being a TKL with cherry MX brown, or a razer blackwidow tournament edition.

[Candyflip]

I know that feel, in the part of EU I live it is even harder sourcing mech boards not even talking about the one you like..

[Sagii]

I believe Ducky Nordic also sells those layouts not sure about availability though..

Yep, epsy, there's one ducky shine 2 there. WITH cherry mx browns actually. But a nooby question; is it backlit? There's basically NO information whatsoever on spillsjappa, so if I buy I don't know if I get purple light, blue, white, green, or anything at all really >_>

And there's a site called ducky nordic, which hasn't opened yet

http://www.spillsjappa.no/ducky-yyy-tkl-mx-brown-engraved-pbt-nordisk - The "YYY" is also a Shine 3, albeit with much higher quality keycaps, but they're not backlit friendly. There's a Shine 3 Full-size with MX Browns & White LEDs there, too. Just e-mail them about the Shine 2 if you're interested in knowing the LED color I guess.

Yeah, I've sent them an email. Just took me a couple years to find their support email! 'cause I'm too dumb to scroll down >_>

[epzy]

Anyway, you can always look for a used keyboard here on GH (classifieds), Deskthority.net (marketplace) or reddit.com/r/mechmarket. Tell the buyer to mark the package as a gift and X value under $170 to dodge customs.

I bought two Filco Majestouch 2's and a Realforce 88u from thekeyboardco.com, Ducky Mini & Ducky Shine 3 Yellow Edition from Teraset.net... Never going to pay that ridiculous VAT ever again for a keyboard or anything keyboard related.

[Sagii]

Anyway, you can always look for a used keyboard here on GH (classifieds), Deskthority.net (marketplace) or reddit.com/r/mechmarket. Tell the buyer to mark the package as a gift and X value under $170 to dodge customs.

I bought two Filco Majestouch 2's and a Realforce 88u from thekeyboardco.com, Ducky Mini & Ducky Shine 3 Yellow Edition from Teraset.net... Never going to pay that ridiculous VAT ever again for a keyboard or anything keyboard related.

Hm, do some people have nordic layouts, or have you just bought other layouts?

When it comes to Ducky Shine 2, what I've gathered is that Ducky is a good company, and the Shine 2 is of good quality? You all seem to like Ducky a lot here on GH.

I'm going to wait and see what the lighting etc. on the ducky shine 2 is, and I'm gonna try and test out the cherry mx brown in a shop somewhere (NOT the G710+!!) and see if I like it. If everything match up, I'll probably buy the ducky shine 2

And thank you so much for being so damn patient with me, every single one of you I'm so far having an extremely pleasant first encounter with GH!

EDIT: Ladies and gents, it's official. The Ducky Shine 2 TKL with cherry brown on Spillsjappa.no has green backlighting! So.. for 170$, do you guys mean it's worth it?

[epzy]

Anyway, you can always look for a used keyboard here on GH (classifieds), Deskthority.net (marketplace) or reddit.com/r/mechmarket. Tell the buyer to mark the package as a gift and X value under $170 to dodge customs.

I bought two Filco Majestouch 2's and a Realforce 88u from thekeyboardco.com, Ducky Mini & Ducky Shine 3 Yellow Edition from Teraset.net... Never going to pay that ridiculous VAT ever again for a keyboard or anything keyboard related.

Hm, do some people have nordic layouts, or have you just bought other layouts?

When it comes to Ducky Shine 2, what I've gathered is that Ducky is a good company, and the Shine 2 is of good quality? You all seem to like Ducky a lot here on GH.

I'm going to wait and see what the lighting etc. on the ducky shine 2 is, and I'm gonna try and test out the cherry mx brown in a shop somewhere (NOT the G710+!!) and see if I like it. If everything match up, I'll probably buy the ducky shine 2

And thank you so much for being so damn patient with me, every single one of you I'm so far having an extremely pleasant first encounter with GH!

Many people from Scandinavia around... I told you I bought those keyboards @ retail... meanign I paid the crazy custom fees/VAT. Yeah Ducky Shine's are regarded as good stock keyboards everywhere. I haven't had a Shine 2, but I do believe it's pretty much the same as the Shine 3. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong). If you only find a G710+ you could bring a keycap puller and pop a key off and remove the o-ring so you'll get the real feel of browns.

Np!

[Sagii]

I have ONE last question (it probably won't be that last  ): what separates Ducky Shine 2 from let's say the K95 og K70? It's about the same price, and other than the lighting, I can't see how it's any better? >_<

[Candyflip]

The corsair board are open boards without top case unlike the Ducky which are more "standard". Also The ducky boards have some lighting effect you can choose and that is pretty much it. Oh and the different bottom layout as well.. Search through google or YT you can find the differences, watch some reviews..

[Sagii]

The corsair board are open boards without top case unlike the Ducky which are more "standard". Also The ducky boards have some lighting effect you can choose and that is pretty much it. Oh and the different bottom layout as well.. Search through google or YT you can find the differences, watch some reviews..

I've watched tons.. That's basically why I can't understand why it would be better to buy a Ducky Shine 2 than anything else in the same price range, which simply has more options. I was wondering why it seems like  many on GH etc. like the Ducky KBs so much. I understand the lighting features and build quality ofc, but other than that? To me a K95 (I'm just using this as an example cause I've got one) seems more than sturdy enough.

[Candyflip]

Then buy the k95! Are you worried someone does not going to like your keyboard? Cos it sounds like it.. If it is your first mech you won't notice a difference and will be satisfied with whatever you'll get at first, that's the way it is and how most of us started. You got to be sure what you like to be in a position to choose between things. People here would prefer the ducky over the k95 for a couple reasons like no unnecessary macro keys, more "normal" case design (this is arguable), variety (switches/LEDs), layout, reputation etc etc..

[Razor Lotus]

Corsair quickfire has my vote for a TKL

Same here, too bad it doesn't exist.

Corsair quickfire has my vote for a TKL

If only such board existed  )

sorry im such a retard lol. CM QFR

[Sagii]

Then buy the k95! Are you worried someone does not going to like your keyboard? Cos it sounds like it.. If it is your first mech you won't notice a difference and will be satisfied with whatever you'll get at first, that's the way it is and how most of us started. You got to be sure what you like to be in a position to choose between things. People here would prefer the ducky over the k95 for a couple reasons like no unnecessary macro keys, more "normal" case design (this is arguable), variety (switches/LEDs), layout, reputation etc etc..

You misunderstood the whole thing I was asking about... I'm not worried about what other's might think of the keyboard or anything.

You answered my question with the last sentence of your reply, that's what I was asking for. I'm sadly not a keyboard expert, that's why I've come here, and I wanted to hear if there was something about the Ducky I just didn't grasp, even though I've watched/read lots of review, just 'cause I know nothing about this stuff.

Please don't get annoyed. Trust me, I'm not one of those guys who goes "Well, Razer is obviously the best for gaming, because it's made for gamers!" or "I need those macros!!"

[Oobly]

The corsair board are open boards without top case unlike the Ducky which are more "standard". Also The ducky boards have some lighting effect you can choose and that is pretty much it. Oh and the different bottom layout as well.. Search through google or YT you can find the differences, watch some reviews..

I've watched tons.. That's basically why I can't understand why it would be better to buy a Ducky Shine 2 than anything else in the same price range, which simply has more options. I was wondering why it seems like  many on GH etc. like the Ducky KBs so much. I understand the lighting features and build quality ofc, but other than that? To me a K95 (I'm just using this as an example cause I've got one) seems more than sturdy enough.

1. Quality of components used and build quality.
2. Layout and keycap compatibility. Quite many "gaming" keyboards use weird layouts or different sized keycaps than standard. Look at the bottom row of the Corsair boards for example. You can tweak the feeling and sound of the switches and the looks of the board with different keycaps. Standard thin ABS keycaps often sound "clicky" and high pitched when bottoming out, medium thick PBT are more "clacky", lower pitched and really thick PBT or POM caps are even lower pitch, kind of "thocky". Sorry for the strange words, it's kind of hard to describe. Quality board + quality caps = premium feel... nice.
3. Less of a factor, but related to number 2, aftermarket case and plate compatibility. It depends how far you take the hobby, but some like to customise their boards with custom plates or cases as well as keycaps and having a compatible layout / design gives you more options.

Ducky tend to use standard ANSI and ISO layouts and they have proper Nordic ISO layout and keycap sets (they also have some nice PBT sets in Nordic ISO). I've actually bought an ANSI layout board mainly due to the number of ANSI keycap sets as opposed to ISO. Many Group Buys here at GH include ISO kits so they will fit any standard ANSI or ISO board, but some are only ANSI.

P.S. - Norway is expensive..... Finland is too, but not as bad.

[Candyflip]

sorry im such a retard lol. CM QFR

We know we are just joking around  )

To OP: I am not slightly annoyed and I am just trying to help. Searching for the little things that change almost everything is half the fun in this hobby. Those differences does not make the Ducky better board over the Corsair, it is just a preference. You would be better checking out yourself even if it means spending more money, I know plenty of people that would prefer the Corsair over other boards.

[Sagii]

Looks like micro from the picture.

Also looks rubberized (hope I'm wrong)

sorry im such a retard lol. CM QFR

We know we are just joking around  )

To OP: I am not slightly annoyed and I am just trying to help. Searching for the little things that change almost everything is half the fun in this hobby. Those differences does not make the Ducky better board over the Corsair, it is just a preference. You would be better checking out yourself even if it means spending more money, I know plenty of people that would prefer the Corsair over other boards.

Okey, good I'm impressed with your patience.. all of you really! When I started this thread yesterday I knew practically nothing about mechanical keyboards, now I feel like I know the whole world! Anyways.. The TKL Ducky Shine 2 is really tempting. And when thinking about, the only thing it doesn't have, compared to the K95 are macro keys, and dedicated media keys, both of which I don't really need. I do however have to buy a separate wristrest, but buying a Ducky TKL is getting ever so slightly more tempting!

And BTW, if I ever get interested in changing keycaps etc on a ducky shine 2, that would most likely not be a problem? ^^ Sigh.. I thought that was something that would never even come to mind.. but now I'm already considering buying som keycaps while I order the shine 2... GH, what have you done to me?!

[Defect]

Light has a harder time going through thick PBT, one of the reasons I don't bother with back lighting on my favorite boards.  Also because I never actually look ar my boards when I use them.  Not sure about Thin PBT.  Still, I like thick PBT on reds, blacks, and clears.  Only POM beats Thick PBT for those switches.

For clicky I forget, will have to find my notes.

[epzy]

LEDs shines through thick PBT just fine, it just depends on if the PBT is dark or light colored.

[Sagii]

Light has a harder time going through thick PBT, one of the reasons I don't bother with back lighting on my favorite boards.  Also because I never actually look ar my boards when I use them.  Not sure about Thin PBT.  Still, I like thick PBT on reds, blacks, and clears.  Only POM beats Thick PBT for those switches.

For clicky I forget, will have to find my notes.

Hmm, I dunno. I'm a touchtypist and almost never look down on my KB when typing/gaming. But nonetheless, I get extremely annoyed when I don't have backlit keys. I guess it comes to finding F keys, caps, tab, media keys etc.

That's basically why I'm sceptical of getting a board without backlighting >_<

[Defect]

Light has a harder time going through thick PBT, one of the reasons I don't bother with back lighting on my favorite boards.  Also because I never actually look ar my boards when I use them.  Not sure about Thin PBT.  Still, I like thick PBT on reds, blacks, and clears.  Only POM beats Thick PBT for those switches.

For clicky I forget, will have to find my notes.

Hmm, I dunno. I'm a touchtypist and almost never look down on my KB when typing/gaming. But nonetheless, I get extremely annoyed when I don't have backlit keys. I guess it comes to finding F keys, caps, tab, media keys etc.

That's basically why I'm sceptical of getting a board without backlighting >_<

Just get white keycaps and use Lux ULT to check your F row.  It's low enough CD and you probably have Athene's

[Sagii]

Light has a harder time going through thick PBT, one of the reasons I don't bother with back lighting on my favorite boards.  Also because I never actually look ar my boards when I use them.  Not sure about Thin PBT.  Still, I like thick PBT on reds, blacks, and clears.  Only POM beats Thick PBT for those switches.

For clicky I forget, will have to find my notes.

Hmm, I dunno. I'm a touchtypist and almost never look down on my KB when typing/gaming. But nonetheless, I get extremely annoyed when I don't have backlit keys. I guess it comes to finding F keys, caps, tab, media keys etc.

That's basically why I'm sceptical of getting a board without backlighting >_<

Just get white keycaps and use Lux ULT to check your F row.  It's low enough CD and you probably have Athene's

You, my fine Sir, made me laugh at loud!

And I just noticed something very interesting with my red switches; as long as I look down on the keyboard I have absolutely no problem with typing, at it feels a lot more comfortable, but as soon as I start touchtyping I start having the problems as mentioned earlier in the thread, with stopping up, being unsure etc.
Maybe all that''s needed is to get used to it, after all O.o I still want to try out browns, and if I like them, I'll buy the Ducky one ^^

[Oobly]

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Okey, good I'm impressed with your patience.. all of you really! When I started this thread yesterday I knew practically nothing about mechanical keyboards, now I feel like I know the whole world! Anyways.. The TKL Ducky Shine 2 is really tempting. And when thinking about, the only thing it doesn't have, compared to the K95 are macro keys, and dedicated media keys, both of which I don't really need. I do however have to buy a separate wristrest, but buying a Ducky TKL is getting ever so slightly more tempting!

And BTW, if I ever get interested in changing keycaps etc on a ducky shine 2, that would most likely not be a problem? ^^ Sigh.. I thought that was something that would never even come to mind.. but now I'm already considering buying som keycaps while I order the shine 2... GH, what have you done to me?!

Welcome to wallethack I have more keycap sets than keyboards (3 boards, 5 caps sets) and have joined in Group Buys to get even more (5 more sets on their way)... At least I have settled on which sets are staying on 2 of my boards (for the moment), the third board will get whichever caps I like the most of the new sets I ordered

The Ducky will be able to use any standard ISO set, or an ANSI set with ISO conversion set. Or you can get just an ISO modifiers set and a different set for the alpha and number keys.... or... hehehe..

Then you have to try different materials (ABS, PBT, POM), thicknesses and profiles... Maybe you should just stick with the Corsair and save your wallet before it's too late! (just joking, it's nice to have options)

I like backlighting even with thick PBT keys, the LED's make a nice background glow under the caps.

[Sagii]

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Okey, good I'm impressed with your patience.. all of you really! When I started this thread yesterday I knew practically nothing about mechanical keyboards, now I feel like I know the whole world! Anyways.. The TKL Ducky Shine 2 is really tempting. And when thinking about, the only thing it doesn't have, compared to the K95 are macro keys, and dedicated media keys, both of which I don't really need. I do however have to buy a separate wristrest, but buying a Ducky TKL is getting ever so slightly more tempting!

And BTW, if I ever get interested in changing keycaps etc on a ducky shine 2, that would most likely not be a problem? ^^ Sigh.. I thought that was something that would never even come to mind.. but now I'm already considering buying som keycaps while I order the shine 2... GH, what have you done to me?!

Welcome to wallethack I have more keycap sets than keyboards (3 boards, 5 caps sets) and have joined in Group Buys to get even more (5 more sets on their way)... At least I have settled on which sets are staying on 2 of my boards (for the moment), the third board will get whichever caps I like the most of the new sets I ordered

The Ducky will be able to use any standard ISO set, or an ANSI set with ISO conversion set. Or you can get just an ISO modifiers set and a different set for the alpha and number keys.... or... hehehe..

Then you have to try different materials (ABS, PBT, POM), thicknesses and profiles... Maybe you should just stick with the Corsair and save your wallet before it's too late! (just joking, it's nice to have options)

I like backlighting even with thick PBT keys, the LED's make a nice background glow under the caps.

The nice thing is that I can return my Corsair and get my money back! The Ducky will actually land at a lower price than the K95 And I kinda want the TKL now, after realising how much space it actually occupies ^^'

[Eric5676]

Great thread!

ROCCAT Ryos MK Pro   <-  This is getting a lot of nice press although even the most glowing reviews mention poor warranty and support.

Logitech 710+ and Corsair K70 get mentioned a lot but you all have already discussed that.

How do you all feel about WASD keyboards, Das, and Deck these days?

[Sagii]

Great thread!

ROCCAT Ryos MK Pro   <-  This is getting a lot of nice press although even the most glowing reviews mention poor warranty and support.

Logitech 710+ and Corsair K70 get mentioned a lot but you all have already discussed that.

How do you all feel about WASD keyboards, Das, and Deck these days?

Biggest problem is getting a nordic layout without massive "customs" (that's not really what it is, but I have to pay 24% of the items cost extra). I can however do as Epsy said, and buy from here, and get it sent as a "gift", but I just simply dont know where to start looking at everything.. it is so damn much to take in at once O_o (I just started learning about mechs yesterday  ))

[Candyflip]

I personally would not buy any of those you've mentioned.

[Sagii]

I personally would not buy any of those you've mentioned.

The RYOS is outta question really. Same with G710+.. I do however have the K70 in the back of my head.. But atm I want to try and finmd a TKL ^^,

[Eric5676]

I personally would not buy any of those you've mentioned.

I am looking over the Duckys as well per what I've seen in this thread.

[YuukiHaruto]

Most gaming boards are all bling and no show.

Classy LED backlit keyboards are the Trigger Z and the CM Storm MECH even though it has a edgy design. Still isn't a "gaming keyboard" in any sense.

The upcoming CM Storm QFR-SI should be interesting if just a bit more than the QFR

Trust me on this, I use both the Trigger Z and CM Storm MECH. You'll be wanting MX Blacks. Also, don't bother with browns. If you don't like noise neither are blues but blues feel fantastic. There are MX Clears but I don't really like them are they are limited in production also.
Oh yeah btw, korean 80g spring = cherry 60g or thereabout.

[Defect]

Most gaming boards are all bling and no show.

Gaming according to marketing:
Full Size, Blue/Green LED, MX Blue, USB

True gaming from engineering/science:
Compact (84, TKL), Red (low energy) or no LED, Red switch (or black), PS/2.

Not counting ergo clears which are the most versatile MX switch imo.

[Sagii]

Most gaming boards are all bling and no show.

Classy LED backlit keyboards are the Trigger Z and the CM Storm MECH even though it has a edgy design. Still isn't a "gaming keyboard" in any sense.

The upcoming CM Storm QFR-SI should be interesting if just a bit more than the QFR

Trust me on this, I use both the Trigger Z and CM Storm MECH. You'll be wanting MX Blacks. Also, don't bother with browns. If you don't like noise neither are blues but blues feel fantastic. There are MX Clears but I don't really like them are they are limited in production also.
Oh yeah btw, korean 80g spring = cherry 60g or thereabout.

Isn't that just plain and simple personal preference? I don't really care as to what is the most "effective" switch... I just want one that I can feel comfortable typing on, while still suitable for gaming And AFAIK, I'll just have to try the different ones and see what I like!

[Razor Lotus]

Most gaming boards are all bling and no show.

Gaming according to marketing:
Full Size, Blue/Green LED, MX Blue, USB

True gaming from engineering/science:
Compact (84, TKL), Red (low energy) or no LED, Red switch (or black), PS/2.

Not counting ergo clears which are the most versatile MX switch imo.

I'd like to know... what's the science/engineering?