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Offline msiegel

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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 14:31:19 »
"ARM claims that all the ARMs in the world combined have more processing power than every other processor in the world combined."

oh yeah? well what about all the casio watches in the world combined?

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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 14:46:21 »
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I have to look into that. I thought IBM had a RISC machine a long time ago.

I KNOW that the S/360 was RISC, although not intentionally :biggrin1:

Right, but ARM (I didn't say RISC, I said ARM) wouldn't have existed if Acorn didn't exist, and Acorn's existence is due to Sinclair not developing computers beyond the Science of Cambridge MK14. (Of course, then Sinclair did the ZX80.)

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As much as I hate the x86 chip I can't believe as many millions of them are around they aren't a few zillions times more powerful than all the ARMs ever made. But you have to know which ARM chip they're actually talking about.

They're talking about all ARM chips from the very first ARM1 (probably under 1000, maybe under 500 in the world) to the latest Cortex-A8. And, they claim that there's over 10 billion out there.
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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:30:56 »
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Why are you comparing the Trash-80 to (I presume) the ZX Spectrum which was a couple of hundreds percent cheaper and sold over a hundred times more, Was I not nice to you in another thread? Oh wait..


I got started in computers in the 1970s and I remember the Trash 80 well and the Sinclair units not at all. I don't know the numbers but it seems to me Radio Shack sold more units all over America than could ever have been sold in Europe...and Sinclair was only known for calculators. I don't know how you can say Sinclair outsold it. Virtually all the Americans in those days got their starts on Trash 80s and later, Commodores. And as I said, the Trash 80 preceeded anything from Sinclair with a z80 in it by at least two years, which is forever in technology. If you want to blame anything for starting the PC revolution, it's Radio Shack.

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and why are you resurrecting a thread and particular comment from the grave?


It seems like a popular pastime here lately.

Anyway, silly me, I tend to read the whole thread instead of just the last post.:juggle:
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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:35:26 »
But... pretty much everywhere outside of North America, the Trash-80 was unheard of, and the Sinclair stuff was. And (as a platform, via clones) the ZX Spectrum did replace the BK-0010 and relatives as the main communist home computer...
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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:38:40 »
LOL. OK. What is a BK-0010?
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« Reply #105 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:39:32 »
Didn't Timex rebrand a lot of Sinclair products in the US?

The TRS-80 was sold in UK Tandy shops, but I seem to recall it cost a lot more than the equivalent of $600 mentioned in Wikipedia.
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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:43:27 »
Yeah they had to fit on your wrist like all the other Timexes! ;)
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« Reply #107 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:45:20 »
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The Trash-80 wasn't consumer grade and therefore did not sell the required numbers to be a kickstarter of anything. Sinclair and Commodore did much better.

What do you mean it wasn't consumer grade?

It sold 250,000 units in the first round. It was certainly the start of the home PC revolution, I remember that's how it got started. I had a part time job selling them and other electronic goodies. At the start there wasn't any competition at all.
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« Reply #108 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:46:00 »
Except it wasn't any less consumer grade than the other stuff available at the time.

(The Commodore PET and the Apple ][.)

Timex's stuff here... total flop, because it was crap, and too late for that crap to take off here.

Anyway, the BK-0010... it's what happens when the Russians clone a DEC PDP-11 onto a single chip, and make a personal computer out of it. I wouldn't mind a BK-0011M (BK-0011 being the enhanced BK-0010, and BK-0011M being the later backwards compatible version, as they broke compatibility when they released the BK-0011,) though.
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« Reply #109 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 15:48:44 »
That sounds pretty interesting, actually. Can you run RSTS-11 on one?
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« Reply #110 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 16:08:41 »
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Well I could continue to explain how zillions and zillions of Commodores and Sinclairs were sold, how it started major industries like the games industry, etc. etc.,


Well I could explain how being the first to do something, like Radio Shack was, and popularize it, like they did, often leads to innovation and competition and stuff like the Commodore can be created. Somebody has to spend money and take the risk and that often paves the way for other things to be created that would never be created otherwise. That's just how technology works. If Radio Shack didn't come out with the Trash 80 maybe junk-peddlers like Sinclair would never have taken the risk.

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but you are just putting in extra effort to not understand the point


Aw, you flatter me. Actually it was no effort at all.

Don't mistake my disagreement for misunderstanding.

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, so I'm bored now with the dead horse.


When the hell did this happen? :whistle:
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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 16:31:28 »
http://www.jeremyreimer.com/total_share.html
The TRS-80 sold nearly 1.5 million in total.

Sinclair ZX80 sold 50,000
Sinclair ZX81 sold 1.5 million
Sinclair ZX Spectrum sold several million (finding it hard to find an exact number)
And after that Amstrad produced further versions of the Spectrum that sold well.
Apparently clones are being made even today!

So yeah, the ZX range beat the TRS80 computers in terms of numbers sold.

If you want to thank anyone for kickstarting the home computing market, maybe Ed Roberts is the man.
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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 17:58:38 »
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That sounds pretty interesting, actually. Can you run RSTS-11 on one?


No - the OSes were ANDOS (a custom OS for that hardware) and OS BK-11, derived from RT-11.

I believe there's a port of Unix underway, though.

There was a Russian version of RSTS-11, although I'm not sure what it ran on - probably something closer to a full PDP-11 clone, although likely with the same chip.
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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 18:01:50 »
Anyway... any idea who made that lighter+calculator watch?

I've been searching, and I can find plenty of lighter watches, and a few calculator lighters, but not anything that combines all three.
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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 19:16:23 »
They probably have ARMs too...
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« Reply #115 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 19:20:38 »
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Anyway... any idea who made that lighter+calculator watch?


Dell? Many of their products spontaneously burst into flames.
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« Reply #116 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 19:45:32 »
Back in the 80's, Dell wasn't called Dell, and they didn't make watches. ;)
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« Reply #117 on: Sat, 24 October 2009, 20:38:00 »
Quote from: Rajagra;128061

If you want to thank anyone for kickstarting the home computing market, maybe Ed Roberts is the man.


A friend of mine has a working IMSAI-8080 and he says that it's a heck of a lot better machine than the Altair was.  Much more functionality.  I don't have any experience using either personally.  Apparently the IMSAI was also a lot easier to get ahold of.
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« Reply #118 on: Sun, 25 October 2009, 02:51:00 »
Thanks for the link. That's cool. I've been thinking about getting into bare board stuff. My friend's dad did a lot of that in the old days. I've built some other kits. It can be a lot of fun.
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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 25 October 2009, 03:03:06 »
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http://www.jeremyreimer.com/total_share.html
The TRS-80 sold nearly 1.5 million in total.

Sinclair ZX80 sold 50,000
Sinclair ZX81 sold 1.5 million
Sinclair ZX Spectrum sold several million (finding it hard to find an exact number)
And after that Amstrad produced further versions of the Spectrum that sold well.
Apparently clones are being made even today!

So yeah, the ZX range beat the TRS80 computers in terms of numbers sold.


If you include the whole range of TRS-80 just like you're counting all the Sinclairs the Trash 80 may still have sold more units http://www.pc-history.org/index.html

Difficult to know because Tandy supposedly never released sales figures. Whatever the case it's cool to find all these websites with info on historical technology.
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« Reply #120 on: Sun, 25 October 2009, 03:46:54 »
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Anyway... any idea who made that lighter+calculator watch?

I've been searching, and I can find plenty of lighter watches, and a few calculator lighters, but not anything that combines all three.


My memory might be coming back embellished. In hindsight, it seems idiotic to have tiny calculator keys next to an open flame.

The only thing I concretely remember about it was that it was very bulky, square, had a big side action trigger switch, and a tiny butane chamber on the side.

It was either this model or something that looked very similar:
http://www.retrothing.com/2009/01/hottest-watch-e.html
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« Reply #121 on: Sun, 25 October 2009, 09:13:13 »
That's just plain crazy. Kind of like a toaster that can format floppy disks.
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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 26 October 2009, 16:25:20 »
Slivers...







...also, porn!
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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 26 May 2010, 12:44:48 »
Re: hoarding.  (If anyone still cares.)  I'm not much of a "hoarder", but I do have a few collections, some large, others (mostly) small.  I put an upper limit on my collections, which means I tend to collect up in one thing and then move on.

Among them:

-- Reference books.  Particularly math/science reference books.  My favorite is "A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates" by the Rand Corporation (1955).  I can't say it gets much practical use, but I just love the premise:  a huge book full of high-quality random numbers.

-- Other books.  I love to read and I'm a lightweight bibliophile.

-- Calculators.  Particularly HP calculators.  Particularly the Voyager line (particularly the HP 12c, 15c, 16c; I have a pair of each of these for home and work), and the 48sx and its software cards.  Plus related literature for all of the above.

-- Slide Rules.  Particularly Pickett slide rules.  (Toys are made of plastic.  Tools are made of metal.)

-- Here's a weird one:  AC cables.  I used to do a lot of global travel for work.  (Now I travel much less, albeit usually for pleasure.)  For fun I would pick up a standard/universal AC cable (like the kind that will plug into the back of your monitor or PC power supply) whenever I went someplace that had a different plug design.  So far I have:  Americas, UK, Europe, South Africa, Australia/Asia, India, Denmark, Switzerland.

I used to hoard more than this, including arcade video games.  That was a timesink and a half, plus my collection of 20+ games took up appx. 400 square feet.  (It's amazing what you'll get rid of when you get married.)
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« Reply #124 on: Wed, 26 May 2010, 15:37:13 »
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pr0n. oh wait..what did I say? stamps! stamps.

But nothing really. Old British computers would be a good one. I have a NIB ZX-81 for starters :)


I used to have a great collection of 80's british 'puters.  Stored in my dad's spare bedroom for so long I couldn't take the hints to dispose of them ... and long story...

Used to have 2 bbc b masters, an einstein, a hector (made for the open university - they do correspondence degrees), some ataris, a dragon 32, several zx81's and a few spectrums,  a couple of commodores, something by mattel - I'm going to have to stop now...
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« Reply #125 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 01:28:45 »
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Last time I checked we only had 1000 Abnormal Deviates at Geekhack.  You must be thinking of OCN.

Since this thread has been zombied these just magically started appearing.  I call it, "The Tyranny Of Oligopolies".
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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 03:44:21 »
Oh let's see... I used to buy every C64 I could find at the local flea market... I now own at least 8, gave one away to a friend last year. I also have about a dozen other computers from the 80s, a 4-5 shoe boxes full of C64/Spectrum/CPC tapes, three shelves worth of Atari ST, Amiga and PC games,... on top of that I hoard Nintendo stuff (mostly SNES and Game Boy), old PC hardware (motherboards, CPUs, memory modules,...), cables and god knows whatnot.

Now that I read this I'm thinking... hold crap, I must be mad!
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« Reply #127 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 04:15:03 »
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Oh let's see... I used to buy every C64 I could find at the local flea market... I now own at least 8, gave one away to a friend last year. I also have about a dozen other computers from the 80s, a 4-5 shoe boxes full of C64/Spectrum/CPC tapes, three shelves worth of Atari ST, Amiga and PC games,... on top of that I hoard Nintendo stuff (mostly SNES and Game Boy), old PC hardware (motherboards, CPUs, memory modules,...), cables and god knows whatnot.

Now that I read this I'm thinking... hold crap, I must be mad!


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« Reply #128 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 07:47:07 »
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I blame the RIAA and the U.S. copyright lawyers mainly.
. . .

Most electronics are not even designed to be repaired; they don't even carry spares and if you can and want to mend it;it's cheaper to buy a new one.This can't go on.


Indeed.  The RIAA needs to realize "when you're dead, lie down."  F***ING ZOMBIES!!

And that last bit is directly related to one my hoarding urges: HP multifunction printers.  HP considers a $400 Officejet a "disposable" machine and would rather upsell you another printer at a "discount" for a couple hundred bucks than allow you to repair their made to fail product with a 50 cent part they don't carry.  Or rather, they do carry the nearly identical item with a different part number which is impossible to discern even with determined effort short of paying for access to a database that requires an ID as an authorized service outlet or by trial and error comparison of parts from scrapped machines.  Entirely outrageous.  

Also i am starting to accumulate video cards and p4 processors as well as some asus motherboards, panasonic cordless phones and quality blsnk media.  Up to my eyeballs in books.

At least my music expenses have been significantly curtailed over the last decade, mostly thanks to the RIAA and the garbage they have been peddling.
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« Reply #129 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 07:55:27 »
cds and games I guess, but only over the last few years.
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« Reply #130 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 10:57:33 »


Lately.
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« Reply #131 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 13:54:34 »
PS/2 Adapters. got 2 coffee mugs full.
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« Reply #132 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 14:11:10 »
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Cars with transmission problems.

Hahaaahaa =P

As of the past couple of years not including keyboards, then it would be typewriters (be prepared for back pain though), I slowed down with the lenses a few years ago.
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« Reply #133 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 14:21:01 »
Books (have around 60 shelf meters) and kitchen knives.
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« Reply #134 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 14:41:39 »
Broken fountain pens. I keep telling myself to send them in for repairs, but instead I just buy a new one.
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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 15:19:10 »
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Broken fountain pens. I keep telling myself to send them in for repairs, but instead I just buy a new one.


i've got about 10 of those :)

i hoard usb cables cuz apparently i have a fear of being caught without one when i need it most.
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« Reply #136 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 15:25:51 »
Yo-Yos
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Vintage Electronics
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« Reply #137 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 15:33:43 »
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Yo-Yos
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Vintage Electronics


SPAM!  I'm reporting you.

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« Reply #138 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 15:38:34 »
The best spam I ever received had the subject line:

"Sex drugs, Porn, Rockets, Bombs and ****."



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Yes, these and no that's not me playing one:
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« Reply #139 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 18:06:42 »
I collect Vintage Grand/King Seiko watches, arguably considered the most accurate watches by Horologists.

NB: The link is accredited to Seiya Kobayashi, I hope he is not offended by my spreading of his passion. If requested, it will be removed.

Nearly forgot to mention, I also collect Mechanical Keyboards. I am also a little partial to collecting Japanese Sailor. fountain Pens.
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« Reply #140 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 18:30:59 »
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I collect Vintage Grand/King Seiko watches, arguably considered the most accurate watches by Horologists.

NB: The link is accredited to Seiya Kobayashi, I hope he is not offended by my spreading of his passion. If requested, it will be removed.


I too have a small collection of watches & a few other small timepieces, 30 or so. But I'm a Bulova man with dabblings into Timex and hip & trendy Diesel.

But the watches are merely an accumulation. I'm really a hoarder of clothes.
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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 20:28:17 »
I've got an Orient slide rule automatic, an Abacus Wrist PDA (dead,) and a cheap Casio CA53W.
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« Reply #142 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 20:33:30 »
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But your demand is flawed anyway, in the field of computer technology. Where do vacuum tubes live on today? Nowhere, but we wouldn't have gotten were we are now without them. The destiny of new computer tech is that it is bound to become outdated.


Tell that to all of the people who use audio tube amplifiers because they sound different.  And don't forget all of the electric guitar players!
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black cherry, blue cherry, brown cherry, clear cherry, cherry M84, white alps, black alps, cream alps, Monterey blue alps, Fujitsu Peerless, Gateway2000 rubber dome, Keytronic rubber dome, Model M buckling spring, Model F buckling spring, futaba, black space invader

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Offline Oqsy

  • Posts: 861
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 27 May 2010, 22:24:35 »
guitars, effects pedals, volkswagen gear, girl scout cookies, star wars stuff, dwarf south american cichlids, children, food, and beautiful women
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[sigpic]Currently in use: Rosewill RK9000 and CH DT225[/sigpic]
"Private misfortunes make for public welfare."

Offline HaaTa

  • Master Kiibohd Hunter
  • Posts: 794
  • Location: San Jose, CA, USA
  • Kiibohds!
    • http://kiibohd.com
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #144 on: Fri, 28 May 2010, 02:18:27 »
Mmm, girl scout cookies...I need to get me some of those. A little hard to come by atm :P
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Kiibohd

ALWAYS looking for cool and interesting switches
I take requests for making keyboard converters (i.e. *old keyboard* to USB).

Offline kriminal

  • Posts: 424
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #145 on: Fri, 28 May 2010, 06:51:38 »
pc tools.. computer parts.. modding equipment and electronics..
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Geekhacked Filco FKBN87M/EB modified with Brown, black and blue cherries, doubleshot keycaps
Deck KBA-BL82 with Black cherries
Cherry G84-4100LCMDK-0 Cherry ML switches
Cherry G80-8200hpdus-2 Brown cherries
IBM Lexmark 51G8572 Model M Keyboard
Geekhacked Siig Minitouch KB1948
IBM Model M Mini 1397681

Offline ricercar

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 1697
  • Location: Silicon Valley
  • mostly abides
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« Reply #146 on: Fri, 28 May 2010, 17:27:44 »
Quote from: Oqsy;187562
girl scout cookies


made from real girl scouts?
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Offline bitflipper

  • Posts: 122
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #147 on: Fri, 28 May 2010, 17:38:07 »
Quote from: ricercar;187802
made from real girl scouts?


They go bad when they get older.
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Offline Oqsy

  • Posts: 861
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #148 on: Fri, 28 May 2010, 18:32:55 »
Quote from: bitflipper;187808
They go bad when they get older.


that's why i keep mine in the freezer...
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[sigpic]Currently in use: Rosewill RK9000 and CH DT225[/sigpic]
"Private misfortunes make for public welfare."

Offline Manyak

  • Posts: 295
What else do you hoard?
« Reply #149 on: Sat, 29 May 2010, 09:48:35 »
Video Games. I could never get myself to toss out or sell any video game I ever bought. And we're talking decades of collecting, ever since the Atari 2600 and 5.25" bootable floppy games. I've got well over a thousand, and that's only counting ones on physical media (not downloaded roms or anything like that).

My old floppy and console games went into storage in Beirut though, and I'm really hoping they're still there (long story).
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Currently Owned:
Filco FKBN104MC/EB - Model M 1390131 \'86 - Model M 1391401 NIB - Unicomp Endurapro NIB - iRocks KR-6230 - Compaq MX-11800 - Cherry G80-8113HRBUS-2 - Cherry ML-4100 - Cherry MY-8000-something - Dell AT101W (Black) - ABS M1 - Siig Minitouch - Chicony KB-5181 w/ SMK Montereys - Chicony KB-5181 w/ SMK Montereys NIB - Cherry G80-3494LYCUS-2 - Deck Legend
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