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Loaner business?
« on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 21:58:18 »
Has anyone ever considered creating a keyboard loaning business? I feel like we could all benefit if we had the chance to try out a product before buying it, especially when keyboards are so expensive. You could easily pay for a keyboard collection simply by loaning out a couple popular models like the HHKB which people aren't certain that they will like.
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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 22:21:32 »
No real way to protect your investment. Too many scammers out there.

There was a cherry mx tester board that toured around for a while and a few members have loaned boards out with specific requirements in the past however.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 22:24:56 »
No real way to protect your investment. Too many scammers out there.

There was a cherry mx tester board that toured around for a while and a few members have loaned boards out with specific requirements in the past however.

Well if you made it a real company, you could make the person cover just the shipping and then after the board arrives you make them pay for a week or two. Finally, if they don't return it, you charge them for the rest of it.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 22:33:30 »
I think with the cost of shipping it would probably be more cost effective to buy the keyboard and hope you like it, and sell it at a small loss if not. I can see it working as a local thing, but there probably wouldn't be enough interest.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 07 September 2014, 22:43:11 »
Basically set it up like thecableco does.  Charge a small % to get the keyboard, if you like it, keep it, get charged the remainder.  Don't like it, ship back and use the % towards anything in store.  Don't ship it back because lolfraud?  CC charged for the remaining balance.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 00:17:53 »
Has anyone ever considered creating a keyboard loaning business? I feel like we could all benefit if we had the chance to try out a product before buying it, especially when keyboards are so expensive. You could easily pay for a keyboard collection simply by loaning out a couple popular models like the HHKB which people aren't certain that they will like.

It's a nice idea, but the implementation of the actual idea would just have too many holes for it to follow through.

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I think with the cost of shipping it would probably be more cost effective to buy the keyboard and hope you like it, and sell it at a small loss if not. I can see it working as a local thing, but there probably wouldn't be enough interest.

I agree here.

My concept would be for you to set-up a local shop, set-up all the high end keyboards in that shop or just keyboards in general, e.g. 75%, 60% etc, maybe boards that you cannot test out in other shops as easily or at-all. And then that way, you can come in, test the keyboard, see if you like it, see what switch you prefer and so on.

But to be honest, even if the idea that you are proposing would work and it was already a thing, I don't think I'd ever use it, I'd say a good 80% of us already know what keyboards we like and don't like, what switches we like and don't like, so I don't really think this sort of thing would benefit the average GH user.

I've spent a lot of money on keyboards over the years, mainly in the past 3 years to be more specific and some of those I took a risk and when I realised that they weren't the KB for me, if they were rare I would hold onto them incase I would go back to them in the future and if I didn't like the keyboard one bit, then I would sell them off again, maybe at a 5% loss, which isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things really.
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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 00:23:26 »
Scams are obviously the main issue.

Keyboards aren't cheap to ship either.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 01:18:55 »
I'd say a good 80% of us already know what keyboards we like and don't like, what switches we like and don't like, so I don't really think this sort of thing would benefit the average GH user.

Actually, I think something like this would benefit the average GH user.  Sure, the vocal ones on the boards most likely know what they like.  A lot of us do have some really specific tastes but I'm sure there's a lot of members out there that just quietly lurk.  Plus, a thread usually pops up asking about mx switches, topre, BS every other week or so-ish.  It might seem like the majority of us know what we want because these are the ones you see posting. 

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 02:05:42 »
Don't  need a buisness, just get to know someone with alot of boards :)

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 08:25:12 »
Don't  need a buisness, just get to know someone with alot of boards :)

Guess I need to start finding friends who live nearby (and have a lot of boards).  :D

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 08:42:05 »
Re: claims like "thievery, scammers, and hygiene" check out something like https://www.renttherunway.com/. They can work around all this. Sure, they are a big company, with a legal team, etc. but it's a successful model. Additionally, the rental cost would account for all this stuff - you figure one out of every 25 rentals is going to result in a theft, one out of every 100 shipments will cause damage etc. You increase the rental price to match those. And then if you are worried about trustworthiness set a restriction - first 100 accounts are by invite only, or you need at least 150 GH posts to take part, etc.

I think the business won't work just because the target market is too small and there are too many logistics involved for a single person. Plus the inventory is inherently problematic -- I'd really like to test a KMAC 2, but you only have it with 55g blacks? I wanted 62g clears... etc. There are a lot of variables

All that said, you are looking at a pretty small initial investment so the liability would be limited, especially if you start off only by loaning to long time members, etc. but I don't think this would work as your original model (a collector renting out their collection) because people just love their boards too much.

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Loaner business?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 09:14:33 »
I have worked directly with thecablecompany as someone mentioned and I think that their market is both niche and they offer a great service, how many people do they possibly have loaning out $1000 cables?

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 09:22:20 »
>Rent keyboards out
>User rents Realforce 55g
>Keyboard comes back with 45g/55g mix
>You never notice
>Gets sent to next user
>Everyone else after hates it
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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 09:48:06 »
Well you would simply test the keyboards or put a seal on the screw that attaches the back.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 18:00:12 »
Could probably work :

Signed user agreement prior to shipment for 'test drive'.
Agreement includes provisions for evidence of opening the board results in full charge, or maybe a 'tamper fee'?
Electronic charge authorization for full replacement cost of the board at time of shipment.
Required shipping insurance and signature delivery.
Defined 'test drive' time limit, after which return shipping w/insurance is required, or purchase occurs.

The company would have to provide prepaid return shipping labels and properly sized double boxed / padded cartons.
Carry replacement insurance on all product.

Couldn't see it as a standalone business model - but maybe as an offering from an existing keyboard shop.
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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 21:06:25 »
Could probably work :

Signed user agreement prior to shipment for 'test drive'.
Agreement includes provisions for evidence of opening the board results in full charge, or maybe a 'tamper fee'?
Electronic charge authorization for full replacement cost of the board at time of shipment.
Required shipping insurance and signature delivery.
Defined 'test drive' time limit, after which return shipping w/insurance is required, or purchase occurs.

The company would have to provide prepaid return shipping labels and properly sized double boxed / padded cartons.
Carry replacement insurance on all product.

Couldn't see it as a standalone business model - but maybe as an offering from an existing keyboard shop.


Someone on geekhack should pitch it to some keyboard companies, see what they think or if they have thought about this.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 21:06:37 »
Could probably work :

Signed user agreement prior to shipment for 'test drive'.
Agreement includes provisions for evidence of opening the board results in full charge, or maybe a 'tamper fee'?
Electronic charge authorization for full replacement cost of the board at time of shipment.
Required shipping insurance and signature delivery.
Defined 'test drive' time limit, after which return shipping w/insurance is required, or purchase occurs.

The company would have to provide prepaid return shipping labels and properly sized double boxed / padded cartons.
Carry replacement insurance on all product.

Couldn't see it as a standalone business model - but maybe as an offering from an existing keyboard shop.

Although I could see a small business just built around this, all you need is a simple site and some friends to contribute some boards to be loaned. Assuming they would earn back the money needed to buy boards that can replace personal ones it can be a sort of investment.
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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 21:12:06 »
Honestly if you pay say $18 to have a board shipped to you plus a fee for trying out the board say another $18 and pay another $18 to ship it back you've just spent $54 which would go a long way to just buying a board to begin with.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 08 September 2014, 21:47:35 »
Honestly if you pay say $18 to have a board shipped to you plus a fee for trying out the board say another $18 and pay another $18 to ship it back you've just spent $54 which would go a long way to just buying a board to begin with.

You could make is so that if the person liked the keyboard, they could buy it off of you and assume the rest of the price of the keyboard, with some extra for profit.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 09 September 2014, 10:10:59 »
Honestly if you pay say $18 to have a board shipped to you plus a fee for trying out the board say another $18 and pay another $18 to ship it back you've just spent $54 which would go a long way to just buying a board to begin with.

You could make is so that if the person liked the keyboard, they could buy it off of you and assume the rest of the price of the keyboard, with some extra for profit.

This would be the only way to be remotely profitable but with the lack of stock that you're likely to have (as in you're not buying 10-20 of each board) you'll be paying almost retail for your boards in the first place.

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Re: Loaner business?
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 10 September 2014, 13:29:21 »
Are you going to do it or just talk about it?