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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 25 November 2014, 10:05:48 »
More details for the experts.

Attached are:

1) The schematic of the v.1 PROTOTYPE board I am about to order for JD.  The JD45 logo is hidden so the traces can be seen.

2) The associated DXF file of the mechanicals of the board.  It is 10.000" x 3.000" with four 0.125" diameter mounting holes at 0.125" in from each corner.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 25 November 2014, 10:25:24 »
Oh wow, i forgot about this, ive been away longer then i realized.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 25 November 2014, 10:42:34 »
So happy that this version supports full backlighting!

Awesome work everyone!




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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 26 November 2014, 13:08:39 »
Prototype order placed.  It will be initially rejected when the humans notice that we keyboard folk like to have overlapping holes and pads.  I will accept the board as-is, and then in about two weeks or less 12 will arrive at my office in California.

More when I know more.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 03 December 2014, 23:01:37 »
Would anyone know where I could get a housing manufactured for this board?

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 04 December 2014, 13:10:33 »
Would anyone know where I could get a housing manufactured for this board?
I've not seen any .dxf of .svg drawing suggested, but Samwioski described what's needed regarding mounting holes ... 10x3 and four holes immediately in from the corners, so  ....

Ponoko deals in acrylics, and has okay prices but you have to buy the whole 'sheet' of plastic plus you pay for cutting time. Granted the sheets are really small but because of that, you might have to buy the largest for this board ... I don't have their template .svgs around, it seems.

BigBlueSaw (.com? I think) does one-offs for reasonable prices (considering) and deals with thin metals as well as acrylics.

I haven't dealt with either of these companies, but you might consider looking in the phone book for makerspaces that have lasers ... acrylic can be cut with 100w lasers which are moderately inexpensive. 16ga steel can be cut with a 1500w CO2 laser but you're dealing with a machine shop at that point who don't like small orders. Other forum members might come up with further suggestions, too.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #106 on: Sat, 06 December 2014, 21:12:51 »
If you like my JD40 keyboard, the predecessor to the JD45, please vote for it in the Deskthority Awards. :)

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 07 December 2014, 09:19:47 »
I've not seen any .dxf of .svg drawing suggested, but Samwisekoi described what's needed regarding mounting holes ... 10x3 and four holes immediately in from the corners, so  ....

Actually, I posted a DXF file several posts above.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62641.msg1545241#msg1545241

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 09 December 2014, 11:33:08 »
If this board was 14x4 instead of 13x4, I'd be all over it - http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/12b25856c1a3b1d9109955b41d1647f7
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #109 on: Tue, 09 December 2014, 12:53:56 »

If this board was 14x4 instead of 13x4, I'd be all over it - http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/12b25856c1a3b1d9109955b41d1647f7

Just wait for JD45 Mk.II or JD50...
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #110 on: Tue, 09 December 2014, 13:13:20 »

If this board was 14x4 instead of 13x4, I'd be all over it - http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/12b25856c1a3b1d9109955b41d1647f7

Just wait for JD45 Mk.II or JD50...

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 10 December 2014, 13:42:02 »
If you like my JD40 keyboard, the predecessor to the JD45, please vote for it in the Deskthority Awards. :)

http://deskthority.net/final-vote-f84/best-space-saving-or-compact-keyboard-2014-t9311.html

Just saw the link...sorry. I would have voted for your JD40, I love it!
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #112 on: Mon, 15 December 2014, 15:59:25 »
Working through another LED circuit, I had an aha moment about the JD45.  At some point in the design cycles, I rotated the silkscreen semicircle for the backlight transistor.  Note that the CIRCUIT is fine, just the little picture of the transistor is rotated.

So, to make it all be happy, just install the transistor on the back with the flat towards the bottom (spacebar) edge of the board.

Then all will be well.

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p.s.  Electrically-minded readers will immediately see that upside-down, the transistor would have to let the backlight current flow FROM the emitter TO the collector. This works poorly with an NPN transistor.  but rotate it 180, and we have C to E when B is high and life is good!
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 17 December 2014, 10:54:48 »
I'll just leave this here...

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 17 December 2014, 21:21:34 »
I'll just leave this here...

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Now that I have a JD40, you are making me want one of these... :confused:
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 17 December 2014, 23:24:57 »
Guys I've got to tell you, I'm very impressed by this work.  Seems like a more usable layout than the 40.

Here you go:
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I copied the layout form page 2

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« Reply #116 on: Thu, 18 December 2014, 00:01:47 »
I would be down for round 2 when it is available.
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 18 December 2014, 12:50:39 »
I would be down for round 2 when it is available.

I believe this is just a prototyping round.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 18 December 2014, 12:58:18 »
I believe this is just a prototyping round.
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Well, round one then. And SpamRay said he wanted in once the bugs were worked out (IE not a prototyping round)

Also, Metalliqaz that's looking good but, err, I don't see a new revision of the beta mapping software. Do we get to to play with that screen? ;-)

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #119 on: Tue, 23 December 2014, 09:17:04 »
Default key layout?

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #120 on: Tue, 23 December 2014, 09:24:09 »
Default key layout?

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Looks good to me.  Though personally I think I would swap Fn and delete.
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #122 on: Wed, 24 December 2014, 00:26:15 »
Default key layout?

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What is FIG?

Oh, FIGures. Its for the numpad layer, while SYMbol is for the number row and symbols layer. Basically two specific Fn layers.
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #123 on: Wed, 24 December 2014, 00:58:15 »
Default key layout?

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What is FIG?

Oh, FIGures. Its for the numpad layer, while SYMbol is for the number row and symbols layer. Basically two specific Fn layers.

The layout looks really nice JD. Its a shame this has come out before I even have my Smallfry in my hands! I guess I will have to save up for one of these next to compare them directly myself.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 06 January 2015, 23:59:07 »
Any update on the status of the prototypes?

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #125 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:12:29 »
Any update on the status of the prototypes?

Yes.  The boards are in, and finally the holidays are over and I can build #1 as a test.  Continuity tests passed, visual inspection revealed a couple of silkscreen mistakes/lack of clarity, and I shot a how-to video up through diodes and resistor mounting.  Next up (today?) I'll finish the build and flash the Teensy.

FYI, the white on blue looks really, really good.  Nice call JD!

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #126 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:29:05 »
Awesome news, Ron! Can't wait. :)
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:39:03 »
As this materializes, the real question is how to get a pair of 1.75u keys to be convex like an actual spacebar...hmmm
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:40:52 »
As this materializes, the real question is how to get a pair of 1.75u keys to be convex like an actual spacebar...hmmm

If you find out the answer, please let us know! :D
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 10:46:20 »
As this materializes, the real question is how to get a pair of 1.75u keys to be convex like an actual spacebar...hmmm

If you find out the answer, please let us know! :D

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 07 January 2015, 14:37:41 »
As this materializes, the real question is how to get a pair of 1.75u keys to be convex like an actual spacebar...hmmm

If you find out the answer, please let us know! :D

Okay, I just got word from Melissa @ SP that they will have some of these available in 1.75u in the coming weeks.

It is better than standard concave, methinks...
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 08 January 2015, 14:37:01 »
It be built and backlit!

Working on getting the firmware working now.

For now, enjoy the pix!

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« Reply #132 on: Thu, 08 January 2015, 14:42:50 »
Looks great! White on blue was a cool choice.
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 08 January 2015, 15:14:29 »
Looks great! White on blue was a cool choice.
White backlighting and Raindrop keycaps would be awesome on this board.

(Sadly, I have neither.)

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« Reply #134 on: Thu, 08 January 2015, 15:59:18 »
Yeah that would be sweet, are there backlight options or just on and off?
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 08 January 2015, 17:58:43 »
I wish all keyboards could accommodate a split space bar.  You're doing the Lord's work.  I used to think my first DIY keyboard would be an Ergodox.  Now, I not so sure. 

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 09 January 2015, 11:27:04 »
Yeah that would be sweet, are there backlight options or just on and off?

That is a firmware question (jdcarpe or mettiqaz), but the LED circuit is controlled by a PWM pin for variable control for LED brightness.

TL;DR The PCB supports dimming; making it work via software is out of scope of my part in this project.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 10:26:46 »
Updated.  Does this work at all for the JD45?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8jefdzqcvbdkoe/Easy_keymap_multiplatform_20150113.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek2ugi0zli8p3kt/Easy_keymap_20150113.zip?dl=0

Thank you very much!

I will try as soon as I get to the office -- where the first prototype JD45 is currently.

FYI to other prototypers: if this version works, I'll be shipping the rest of the boards out shortly.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #139 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 10:57:29 »
Updated.  Does this work at all for the JD45?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8jefdzqcvbdkoe/Easy_keymap_multiplatform_20150113.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek2ugi0zli8p3kt/Easy_keymap_20150113.zip?dl=0

Thank you very much!

I will try as soon as I get to the office -- where the first prototype JD45 is currently.

FYI to other prototypers: if this version works, I'll be shipping the rest of the boards out shortly.

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Is it too late to get in on the prototyping action? Were there any extras?
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 11:01:00 »
Updated.  Does this work at all for the JD45?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8jefdzqcvbdkoe/Easy_keymap_multiplatform_20150113.zip?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek2ugi0zli8p3kt/Easy_keymap_20150113.zip?dl=0

Thank you very much!

I will try as soon as I get to the office -- where the first prototype JD45 is currently.

FYI to other prototypers: if this version works, I'll be shipping the rest of the boards out shortly.

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Is it too late to get in on the prototyping action? Were there any extras?

Yes, sorry. All the prototypes are spoken for.
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 12:42:43 »
This message was typed on the first ever JD45 keyboard!

Thanks to metalliqaz for the quick-turn on a custom version of Easy_Map.


Time to get this board onto a better base than the stack of Post-Its it is currently using!

Also, I have changed the default map just a bit for (I think) easier use.

Anyhow, Prototype #1 is complete, and I am ready to ship boards out.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 12:47:55 »
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I'm excited to see these prototypes in pictures :)
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:13:20 »
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #144 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:16:24 »
Looking great! :D

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #145 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 13:23:01 »
OK, fine.  Here you go.

From my experience, these are the wrong keycaps and LEDs for this board.  White LEDs and blue-and-white keycaps would be best.

I do find the JD45 an easier board to use than the JD40.  The 13 keys on the top row means it better matches the Escape and Tilde rows on a normal keyboard.  I am not sure yet about the Space/Backspace combo in this layout.  I might move Backspace to the Menu position, and get back a pair of space bars.  Using the Num Lock keycap for FN2 makes intuitive sense when i need to type numbers or symbols.

Anyhow, here are some photos.

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #146 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:05:58 »
This is beautiful, I'd love to get my hands on one when they are available.

Any thoughts on when that may be?

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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #147 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:18:32 »
This is beautiful, I'd love to get my hands on one when they are available.

Any thoughts on when that may be?

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OK, fine.  Here you go.

From my experience, these are the wrong keycaps and LEDs for this board.  White LEDs and blue-and-white keycaps would be best.

I do find the JD45 an easier board to use than the JD40.  The 13 keys on the top row means it better matches the Escape and Tilde rows on a normal keyboard.  I am not sure yet about the Space/Backspace combo in this layout.  I might move Backspace to the Menu position, and get back a pair of space bars.  Using the Num Lock keycap for FN2 makes intuitive sense when i need to type numbers or symbols.

Anyhow, here are some photos.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Ron, how are you liking those uniform sphericals on the JD45?
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #148 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:28:06 »
This project is fantastic. Really don't know how I missed it before now.

I've been working on a similar size and layout board and actually used the first prototype at work today for coding :) Split spacebar is awesome. It makes accessing Fn layers so much easier. I was surprised how quickly I got used to it, particularly for typing the numbers and symbols on the number keys.

It's kind of liberating using such a small board and still getting all the functionality you need.

This design suits working on a PC more than my design, though (different use case), I'd very much like to order one of these when the GB starts (although my wallet needs some recovery time, too many great SA profile set GB's running..)

These boards need some Hack'd by Geeks caps!
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Re: JD45 Keyboard by Carpe Keyboards
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 14 January 2015, 14:30:47 »
These boards need some Hack'd by Geeks caps!

Luckily, the designer and the GB leader got together and decided it would be a good idea to include the keycaps for it in the GB!!

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