Author Topic: Cherry G80-3000 help (Read 15034 times)

LawShadow · « **on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 13:17:07 »

Hello guys this is my first post.:smile:

I wonder if the Cherry g80-3000 keyboard is good for gaming? Any one have experience with gaming on this keyboard? I like the overal look of the board.

Otherwise il order the Steelseries G7 but darn it has a huge price tag...

Thanks in advance.

LawShadow · « **Reply #1 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 13:40:12 »

Wauw all i know is the name and its black , thats the color i want. Maybe some links will help...?

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=5554
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3225/2486605512_c61d9f2e95.jpg?v=0
http://tinypic.com/9gzn84.jpg

Sorry for not being to specific, thats why i need some advise here.

o2dazone · « **Reply #2 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 13:46:12 »

I'm speaking purely on G80-3000 equipped with Cherry Blue switches
I personally didn't like it. There is such a thing as "too tactile" when it comes to gaming. A good example that I would use to test how fast my fingers could run over a keyboard is by quickly tapping W A S D W A S D over and over, in very quick succession.

Out of a Filco brown cherry, Blue cherries, and a Happy Hacking Pro 2, I was able to do this the best on browns...probably due to it's light resistance and almost zero tactile feedback. Next up was cherry blues but a big gap between the two. The HHK coming up next to it. My muscle memory seems to "wait" until the key feels like it registers when dealing with tactile keys. While that's great for typing, because you fingers can just do the work and roll gracefully feeling every tactile bump, with gaming, it feels sloppy, kind of a "mind lag". It's hard to put, but I didn't prefer it. Also the noise was annoying (the only time I was annoyed by blue cherries).

edit: might want to use two paper clips and hook the bend around opposite corners of a key, and pull straight up simultaneously and take a look at the color. Or make a recording of it, not bottoming out. Where did you purchase it from?

o2dazone · « **Reply #3 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 13:54:19 »

Expanding on what Ripster said, the G80-3000 comes with different switches. It will look exactly the same on the outside though. The only way to tell is make a recording, or pull a keytop (well theres other ways too...but hassle)

o2dazone · « **Reply #4 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 14:04:53 »

oh woops
yeah I have horrible comprehension lol

low-fi · « **Reply #5 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 17:11:47 »

I have a G80-3000 with Blue Cherries, and while I quite like the keyboard's overall feel for gaming, it just doesn't allow enough simultaneous keypresses to justify as a gaming keyboard. WASD works fine, but if you're trying to do anything trickier, e.g. playing something like Doom (arrow keys + space + ctrl + alt + shift) or Ur-Quan Masters Super Melee 2-player on the same keyboard, the keyboard locks up too often.

I'd recommend a N-Key Rollover Filco 'board with brown or blue switches. They're a bit expensive but they are perfect for both typing and gaming. Browns are a bit harder to type on than Blues, but they're extremely good for gaming. I wouldn't recommend a keyboard with black Cherry switches because they feel very bad to type on.

IBI · « **Reply #6 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 17:14:51 »

Quote from: o2dazone;103467

I personally didn't like it. There is such a thing as "too tactile" when it comes to gaming. A good example that I would use to test how fast my fingers could run over a keyboard is by quickly tapping W A S D W A S D over and over, in very quick succession.

Have you noticed the same on any other keyboard? I've not tried the clicky varient of the cherry switches but I've certainly not noticed any difference in gaming using buckling springs of clicky alps so I wonder if it's just personal preference.

Do you have the model number of the G80 you're planning to buy? It'll look something like G80-3000LSCGB-2 and that'll tell you which

Possible switch complications aside the G80-3000 is going to be no better than any other keyboard for gaming, although no worse either. It doesn't have the any-six-keys-at-once feature of the 7g, although some combinations of six keys still work.

As to 7G alternatives, which country are you in and which layout do you want? Also, most of the people here are concerned about how a keyboard is to type on so if you don't mind about having a top flight typist's keyboard then say so, or you'll only get recommendations for those that are also good for gaming.

low-fi · « **Reply #7 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 17:20:46 »

Actually, a PS/2 KeyTronic 'board would be an excellent choice. They're rubber dome but have a good, light tactile feel for gaming, they're cheap and their rollover-capability is very very good. They easily last 10+ years of heavy banging, too.

o2dazone · « **Reply #8 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 17:32:35 »

Quote from: IBI;103504

Have you noticed the same on any other keyboard? I've not tried the clicky varient of the cherry switches but I've certainly not noticed any difference in gaming using buckling springs of clicky alps so I wonder if it's just personal preference.

It might just be personal preference. I find my HHKB, while crisp and exact with it's registration, almost "too crisp". I noticed this instantly when going from brown cherries to an HHK. I've gotten used to it over time, but it was definitely noticeable. I would switch back to the browns just to get a feel for it, but I loaned it out lol. I would like to think it's because of too much tactility, but I'm not really sure, being my very limited switch experience. I would cough it up to force, but the difference between a brown and a blue is supposedly only 5g

What are you comparing the buckling springs and clicky alps to? Or are you comparing them directly? Are both tactile? Like I said before, it really only bothered me when I went to browns. Gaming on blues after browns felt too tactile, and since I've been gaming exclusively on an HHKB (I know...shame) I've adapted to it (I still can't W A S D as quickly though)

huha · « **Reply #9 on:** Mon, 20 July 2009, 21:57:35 »

What kind of keypresses do you need to excert when gaming? There are matrix tables of the G80-3000, so you can basically look up if your key combination of choice will work or not.
You might want to have a look at the iRocks KR-6230. It's a bit cheaper than the filcos and offers a different take at a compact layout and it does also have NKRO.

-huha

LawShadow · « **Reply #10 on:** Wed, 22 July 2009, 09:33:46 »

Thanks for all the reply's guys.

Well i went to the online store here in the Netherlands and i couldnt see what version it was except that it has ps/2 and usb Qwerty and the same selling talk Reliability etc etc. But not the exact model specs. They posted a picture with the white and black version the white version has grey cherry letters. While the black version well....i couldnt see any writing on it odd...Think its best to order the Steelseries G7 gaming keyboard, its by all means a gaming board. Just to save my self of dissapointment and frustration. Altough i realy like the aestetics of the Cherry G80-3000.

I almost forgot to tell some keyboards are hard to get here in Holland, like the filco keyboard wich i do like. But in order to get one i have to order from Japan if i'm not mistaken, the costs for that is the same as the Steelseries G7 board wich in turn i can get fast here. While the filco takes...a lot longer to get.

huha · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 22 July 2009, 09:54:52 »

THe G80-3000 is a good allround keyboard, and it's far cheaper than a Filco (so I'd get the G80-3000), but you'd need to tell us what keys you want to press simultaneously to see if it works out.

-huha

LawShadow · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 22 July 2009, 17:06:31 »

I always played games on the consoles dreamcast, ps2, ps3 etc.
I'm planning on buying a new pc with core i7 920 cpu, gtx 260 gpu etc etc.
And il be playing games on it.
And also my first time playing games on the pc. So i do not have the knowhow and experience with games on the pc and the way how its played in this case a keyboard, and all the button config and what type of buttons i need. (games on the pc just look better then on a console for the most part, until the ps3 starts using all its cores from the cell cpu i think....)

As for the online store well il skip that one out, i did ask them a question but i did not get an satisfying answer. So il order the steelseries g7 keyboard, still a lot of money tough arround 100 euros, hope its worth that amount.

huha · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 22 July 2009, 18:23:25 »

If you'll just play games on the PC, get a G80-3000LSCEU. It's cheap and typing on it is quite fun. No need to buy the expensive Steelseries, that's just for people who are so much into PC gaming they'll get to the limitations of "normal" keyboards.

-huha

LawShadow · « **Reply #14 on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 15:13:56 »

well i found the keyboard i hope its the same picture they added on the online store where i will order my pc components.

http://www.cherry.de/english/products/keyboards_G80-3000.htm

found the exact type its an: G80-3000LPCEU-2, the MX switch is blue link:

http://fight.pcgames.com.cn/waishe/cherry/pic/0811/1279099_1.html

is this version very loud, and good enough for gaming?
If the version is not suited for gaming and is to loud....il give up on the G80-3000 sadly. Its a pain in the a.. to order 1 here in holland that is the right one.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #15 on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 15:50:17 »

Quote from: LawShadow;104010

found the exact type its an: G80-3000LPCEU-2 is this version loud, and good enough for gaming?

It's not very noisy for a mechanical board, and the blacks are fairly popular gaming switches. The matrix is a standard IBM type (which is pretty well done so rollover issues should be limited), see the NKRO wiki article and mods section for blocking patterns and a matrix trace-out.

huha · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 21:44:15 »

Quote from: ripster;104021

What, Cherry Corp likes China better than the US??

Hey, they even like Ko re a better than Germany.

-huha

Hak Foo · « **Reply #17 on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 22:34:21 »

:cries:

I want a G80-3484HSCUS

(the one on the Korean site, but with blues, if I understand the models right)

Hak Foo · « **Reply #18 on:** Thu, 23 July 2009, 23:11:30 »

It's like being kids with a new toy advertisement.

itlnstln · « **Reply #19 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 07:51:27 »

Quote from: Hak Foo;104048

:cries:

I want a G80-3484HSCUS

(the one on the Korean site, but with blues, if I understand the models right)

I want this, but I'll keep the browns, though. I really like the double shot molded caps. That's the only complaint I have about my G80 is that the laser printing on the caps is not very crisp. Ideally, I would like a G80-1800 variant (like the one in ripster's pic) with browns and double shot molded caps.

EDIT: I want this: http://www.nrckr.com/mall/m_mall_detail.php?ps_goid=30&ps_goid=30

lowpoly · « **Reply #20 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 11:11:36 »

Double shot caps look soooo nice (from this page):

Were these ABS?

huha · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 11:52:56 »

Quote from: ripster;104098

Ya know the Cherry Corp product code is obscure when you google it and it returns the same Geekhack post that you saw it in as the only hit.

Fun fact: They're OEM boards. Cherry aren't allowed to sell them here.
When I called, I was asked where I got those strange model numbers from, as the person I was talking to had quite obviously never heard of them before. Still, they had them in their system and could answer questions about components (switches etc.--that's how I got the product code for reds).

That said, Cherry support rocks. Really. Buy more Cherry boards, they really deserve it. I got some really nice force-displacement diagrams (have to ask about permission to redistribute first, so sorry until then) for their more obscure switches (e.g. greens, reds, both greys). It did take them a while, but that's okay, as I did tell them it wasn't urgent so they could take their time.

-huha

itlnstln · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 12:32:08 »

I don't think I would mind the Chinese letters. Actually, I think it might even be pretty cool. You could always buy a set of blank keys from elitekeyboards and replace them.

itlnstln · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 12:38:49 »

Are you just as bored as me today, ripster?

itlnstln · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 12:47:23 »

I'm putting off work.

Actually, I have no work to put off. I am waiting to go to lunch with my girlfriend. We are having a late lunch, so we can go to a restaurant to watch a little of the Cubs game this afternoon. They are playing the Reds. I'm a Reds fan, she's a Cubs fan.

LawShadow · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 14:49:25 »

Alright then i made my choice il order the Cherry G80-3000LSCEU-2 with black mx switches atleast i hope so, its not so loud. I realy like the looks of the keyboard.

Any way thank you all for your advise and help really appreciate it:wink:

keyb_gr · « **Reply #26 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 15:12:16 »

Quote from: LawShadow;104159

Alright then i made my choice il order the Cherry G80-3000LSCEU-2 with black mx switches atleast i hope so, its not so loud. I realy like the looks of the keyboard.

The LSCEU comes with blues and definitely is noisier (blues are clicky tactile switches which I guess are moderately light absolutely speaking and pretty light for us Model M spoiled folks). Very nice for typing though, as long as you don't have an overly heavy touch. For the blacks, you'd want a LPCEU.

I'm surprised you're having a hard time finding these boards, .nl is almost next door after all. A-ha, I can see EU-2 boards are kinda hard to get (no stock anywhere), while their light grey -0 cousins appear to be plentiful. Seems like it's not a good time for buying black EU layout G80s right now.

LawShadow · « **Reply #27 on:** Fri, 24 July 2009, 15:23:31 »

Well i found the online store here in The Netherlands (http://www.salland.eu) its also the store where i will order my pc components, and the Cherry G80-3000LPCEU-2 thats the one with black mx switches.
Yes its hard to find a suitable G80-3000 keyboard thats not to loud, wich the black mx switch hopefully is. Unless the online store lies....

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