Author Topic: Matias Linear Switch (Read 3618 times)

Hyde · « **on:** Tue, 13 January 2015, 20:10:45 »

Now that KBParadise V60 with them are out, anyone tried it yet?

Curious how it compare to MX Red.

jacobolus · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 13 January 2015, 20:15:44 »

Are they directly selling them yet? As far as I can tell Matias was showing the switches off at CES last week, but they aren’t selling the switches directly yet, and I haven’t heard of any being used in commercial keyboards yet. KBParadise’s website only lists V60MTS-Q (tactile) and V60MTS-C (clicky).

Anyway, cf. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67424.0

Hyde · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 13 January 2015, 20:20:32 »

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1103

Ops I got ahead of myself, it won't be available until April 10, 2015 haha my bad.

Thanks for the pictures though !

Defect · « **Reply #3 on:** Tue, 13 January 2015, 23:26:17 »

Can't you just remove the clicky leaf in the switches they offer now?

jacobolus · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue, 13 January 2015, 23:32:14 »

Quote from: Defect on Tue, 13 January 2015, 23:26:17

Can't you just remove the clicky leaf in the switches they offer now?

You can, sure. It’s not going to turn out quite the same though: Matias apparently tried several different versions, and the favorite was one with a straightened leaf in it.

Hyde · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed, 14 January 2015, 09:49:40 »

Yeah since the leaf + spring = the final pressure for depressing keys. Just removing the leaf would make it too light I believe.

Novus · « **Reply #6 on:** Fri, 03 April 2015, 03:53:46 »

You know I'm really tempted to get one of these on MD right now.
I don't have this 60% layout keyboard either although I'm mostly a TKL fan.

zombimuncha · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:45:22 »

I guess for a linear Alps switch the main purpose of the leaf spring is stability. It would be easy enough to remove the leaf spring entirely and use a stronger coil spring to compensate, but the switch would be more wobbly.

Hyde · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:00:11 »

Quote from: zombimuncha on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:45:22

I guess for a linear Alps switch the main purpose of the leaf spring is stability. It would be easy enough to remove the leaf spring entirely and use a stronger coil spring to compensate, but the switch would be more wobbly.

lol the leaf is actually connected with the activation of the switch.

So unfortunately you can't take that out haha otherwise your switch won't be a "switch".

chyros · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:10:00 »

Quote from: Hyde on Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:00:11

Quote from: zombimuncha on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:45:22
I guess for a linear Alps switch the main purpose of the leaf spring is stability. It would be easy enough to remove the leaf spring entirely and use a stronger coil spring to compensate, but the switch would be more wobbly.

lol the leaf is actually connected with the activation of the switch.

So unfortunately you can't take that out haha otherwise your switch won't be a "switch".

One of the two leaf springs, yes. The one they're discussing is the click\tactile leaf though, not the actuation though.

Hyde · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 03 April 2015, 15:55:22 »

Wait nevermind you're correct.

For some odd reason I thought it was 1 piece all together. My bad haha.

Den441 · « **Reply #11 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 15:01:07 »

I had some clicky/tactile matias switches and took the click leaf parts out of them to make them linear. I didn't like the feel of the rubber in the stems either so I also took those out. I still did not like the result. They just do not feel totally linear to me. At the bottom of the switch casing there are these two plastic nubs for the stem to sit in when bottoming out. I'm not sure if vintage alps switches have these nubs or not. This element causes the switch to give a slight tactile feeling when bottoming out. This is not something I feel in cherry linear switches at all. If these new linears share that aspect of the design, I doubt I would like them.

chyros · « **Reply #12 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:22:20 »

Quote from: Den441 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 15:01:07

I had some clicky/tactile matias switches and took the click leaf parts out of them to make them linear. I didn't like the feel of the rubber in the stems either so I also took those out. I still did not like the result. They just do not feel totally linear to me. At the bottom of the switch casing there are these two plastic nubs for the stem to sit in when bottoming out. I'm not sure if vintage alps switches have these nubs or not. This element causes the switch to give a slight tactile feeling when bottoming out. This is not something I feel in cherry linear switches at all. If these new linears share that aspect of the design, I doubt I would like them.

The nubs are there only on DAMPED vintage Alps. Try using a clicky Matias instead of a damped one; should be better (non-damped Alps without tactile or click leaf are pretty decent, I've heard). It's been too long since I did it myself.

Nikelu · « **Reply #13 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:33:38 »

Really really tempted to buy one with linears.Never had a linear keyboard and even a 60%.This probably is the quietest keyboard in the market.

Novus · « **Reply #14 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:39:55 »

I remember one guy said this was smooth as butter

slaction · « **Reply #15 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:41:54 »

As a big Matias switch fan, I have to say I wish the actuation was a little stiffer on the new linear switch. Aside from that, I would love to give them a try. The tactile switch feels amazing to type on but is just too loud. The quite switch feels good, but I'd like a little more of a clack with it.

jacobolus · « **Reply #16 on:** Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:12:23 »

Quote from: slaction on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:41:54

As a big Matias switch fan, I have to say I wish the actuation was a little stiffer on the new linear switch.

Try getting a batch of linear switches and a batch of clicky switches, and swapping the springs. Personally I think both resulting switches end up better than the stock versions.

ctm · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun, 12 April 2015, 17:35:57 »

Has anyone compared Matias linear to Topre? Which one is smoother?

Den441 · « **Reply #18 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 03:38:30 »

Quote from: ctm on Sun, 12 April 2015, 17:35:57

Has anyone compared Matias linear to Topre? Which one is smoother?

Apples and oranges in my opinion. I think a better comparison and one that I would be interested in hearing about would be the Matias linears VS the Gateron linears.

chyros · « **Reply #19 on:** Mon, 13 April 2015, 05:48:00 »

Quote from: slaction on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:41:54

but I'd like a little more of a clack with it.

This should be fairly easy; either take out the dampers of quiet switches or put leaves from quiet switches in clicky ones

.

lakiozoon · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 24 May 2015, 12:21:22 »

Can anyone describe how this switch feels like compared to mx red. Being a fan of mx reds, I'dd really like to know.
Are there any videos (I wasn't able to find any)?

jacobolus · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 24 May 2015, 16:11:49 »

Roughly comparable weight to MX red (both are too light for my taste). Much much smoother though. Also a bit wobblier.

lakiozoon · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun, 24 May 2015, 16:49:01 »

It would be nice if anyone can post a video. I am interested how they sound with the dampened upstroke.

Is there a noticeable difference in key travel length (shorter or longer) and actuation?

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