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HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 09:05:12 »
GH, I know it's the same 45g switch, but does it feel different on an HHKB than it does, kind of mushy, on a Realforce 87U? I'm using a 55g 87UB, but am tempted to get an HHKB. I'd appreciate your comparison feedback. I want to believe Topre's 45g switch feels a bit firmer on an HHKB because, from what I'm told, it's not plate mounted, if this actually makes a difference in feel. Thanks.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 09:13:41 »
I can't tell you the exact feeling as I don't own a topre board, but from what I have heard from others and from reading discussion on this forum, there is most certainly a difference in the feel of the switches

This will help a bit https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66306.0

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 09:39:00 »
rf 45g feels a lot smoother thus making it seems a lot lighter.

too light actually. i prefer 45g hhkb over 45g rf. but 55g rf feels way better than 45g hhkb because it feels smoother. hard to explain

55g rf > 45g hhkb > 45g rf
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 09:49:23 »
I actually think the 45g HHKB feels better than the 55g Rf feels better than the 45g RF.

The HHKB just feels more lively and springy. 55g RF is a close second though because of the smoothness. 45g RF feels nice though.

All Topre feels nice.  :eek:
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 09:52:28 »
demik: your comment 'speaks' to me. I didn't care for the smoothness of the 45g switch on my 87U; but your mentioning smoothness tells me the HHKB has a different, less smooth, feel. I do like the resistant and smooth feel of Topre's 55g switch on a Realforce. I think the added resistance also bolsters the slight tactility in the switch's makeup.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 10:00:00 »
I actually think the 45g HHKB feels better than the 55g Rf feels better than the 45g RF.

The HHKB just feels more lively and springy. 55g RF is a close second though because of the smoothness. 45g RF feels nice though.

All Topre feels nice.  :eek:

I agree: I prefer Topre to the many Cherry MX and Buckling Spring mechanical switches I've owned. The feel is unique among keyboard switches; and, for me, they are a joy for typing; no gaming here, all writing. My 55-gram 87UB gets the most daily use.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 11:57:22 »
Well, I preferred HHKB 45gr over my 87u 55gr by as very very small margin.
But is really personal because both are great keybs.
One thing that for sure was keeping me back to RF was this smoothness of it.
So I decided to switch domes between them to compare how it would be to have hhkb type s 55 and 87u 45.
And after few weeks now, I can't say that I enjoy it as much as before.
Probably many peeps there will not agree with me, but 45 87u while still nice is loosing its charm and character.
And HHKB 55 is more springy now, but somehow without "buttery" from before.
I'll say
45g HHKB -> 87u 55g -> 87u 45g


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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 13:23:44 »
Well, I preferred HHKB 45gr over my 87u 55gr by as very very small margin.
But is really personal because both are great keybs.
One thing that for sure was keeping me back to RF was this smoothness of it.
So I decided to switch domes between them to compare how it would be to have hhkb type s 55 and 87u 45.
And after few weeks now, I can't say that I enjoy it as much as before.
Probably many peeps there will not agree with me, but 45 87u while still nice is loosing its charm and character.
And HHKB 55 is more springy now, but somehow without "buttery" from before.
I'll say
45g HHKB -> 87u 55g -> 87u 45g

I like my 55g/87UB too much to alter it. It's buttery, but with a solid feeling, and pleasingly resistant down-force for me. According to your R&D, my next step should be to look into an HHKB. Thank you.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:20:44 »
demik: your comment 'speaks' to me. I didn't care for the smoothness of the 45g switch on my 87U; but your mentioning smoothness tells me the HHKB has a different, less smooth, feel. I do like the resistant and smooth feel of Topre's 55g switch on a Realforce. I think the added resistance also bolsters the slight tactility in the switch's makeup.

Thanks for the feedback.

i honestly think im alone when it comes to comparing hhkb topre to rf topre. everybody loves hhkb topre, while i prefer RF topre by a long shot. just something about RF topre that feels so butter smooth. i feel more resistance from hhkb. that's one of the reasons im hesitant on doing a 55g hhkb, because it'll be too heavy and not as awesome as rf 55g
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:28:28 »

i honestly think im alone when it comes to comparing hhkb topre to rf topre. everybody loves hhkb topre, while i prefer RF topre by a long shot. just something about RF topre that feels so butter smooth. i feel more resistance from hhkb. that's one of the reasons im hesitant on doing a 55g hhkb, because it'll be too heavy and not as awesome as rf 55g
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Our experience with RF keyboards has given me reason to carefully reconsider an HHKB. The spring-like feeling from the HHKB may not be what I'm after; and I may not like anything more than my 55g RF. I've been using an MX Red keyboard as my alternate board; it provides far less finger strain, but it lacks the 'feel' that I've become used to from my 87UB. After using the RF for so long, my fingers don't fatigue as quickly as they used to; but after five or six hours of typing, I can feel a bit of strain--old digits here. I had looked at a WASD Code with MX Clear switches on Amazon, but I think it would be a too similar to my RF, yet not as desirable in feel.

Again, thank you for being so forthcoming and indulging me. I appreciate your taking the time.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:30:47 »
well, even though im a huge fan of 55g RF, i like my hhkb's layout too much to ever get rid of it. infact, it's my only keyboard and i've grown to enjoy 45g. although i sometimes rest my fingers on the board and accidentally spam "a". but that hardly ever happens.

but seriously, you can't go wrong with either. im just not a fan of 45g RF. way too light.

and i've never used a board with reds, i played around with one with clears (and i did a clears gb so i had a ton to mess with) and did not like it one bit. just seemed like a heavier mx brown, which i hate.

the only mx switches i like are greens or blues, i mean if it's going to be cherry it better click
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:51:10 »
I bottom out my Reds, and they they give a keyboard platen click of sorts. It's a Corsair K65 with aluminum platen. It's an okay KB with a, to me, better feel than RF's 45g Topre, which I really disliked. If I find an stock HHKB Pro 2 at a good price, I may have to give it a go; and if I don't, I may go to EK and pick up one from Brian. One thing's for sure, my 87UB/55g is here to stay.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:53:13 »
imo, best bet is a 55 rf and a hhkb combo.

need nothing else after that.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:57:47 »
imo, best bet is a 55 rf and a hhkb combo.

need nothing else after that.

I wish there was a TKL Topre case mounted board. I can't stand function layers but I really want to try case mounted Topre switches.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 19:59:43 »
imo, best bet is a 55 rf and a hhkb combo.

need nothing else after that.
This... so much.

It's the perfect combo (they are the only 2 keyboards I have anymore)
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:02:40 »
This... so much.

It's the perfect combo (they are the only 2 keyboards I have anymore)

I am close to agreeing with this, but I actually like the 45g RF for long typing sessions.

How are you liking the Digilog case?

@ SSKguy- You have been thinking about an HHKB for a long time now, I think you should get one. They seem to be permanently down to $235 on EK now, probably due to favorable exchange rates. Those old prices hadn't been updated in some time.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:33:01 »
This... so much.

It's the perfect combo (they are the only 2 keyboards I have anymore)

I am close to agreeing with this, but I actually like the 45g RF for long typing sessions.

How are you liking the Digilog case?

@ SSKguy- You have been thinking about an HHKB for a long time now, I think you should get one. They seem to be permanently down to $235 on EK now, probably due to favorable exchange rates. Those old prices hadn't been updated in some time.

It's a fact: I've been thinking about one, on and off, for a long time. I've finally pared down my KBs to the 55g RF and one lighter-switch KB; and it may be an HHKB Pro 2. Now for the big decision, dark gray or white; leaning toward dark gray. I got out of the SSK and other IBM Model M thing. And after the 55g RF, how sweet typing is these days.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:39:50 »
you own a dark grey/black 55. get the white hhkb
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:43:24 »
you own a dark grey/black 55. get the white hhkb

I have to respect keyboard support; you're a good man, demik. I'm ever-so-close to ordering one from EK.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:43:55 »
im just doing my part on spreading the HHKB gospel.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:53:45 »
This... so much.

It's the perfect combo (they are the only 2 keyboards I have anymore)

I am close to agreeing with this, but I actually like the 45g RF for long typing sessions.

How are you liking the Digilog case?

@ SSKguy- You have been thinking about an HHKB for a long time now, I think you should get one. They seem to be permanently down to $235 on EK now, probably due to favorable exchange rates. Those old prices hadn't been updated in some time.

Sadly, I still haven't gotten a chance to pop my board in the Digilog case because I haven't been able to drive up to my house to pick up my RF87U.  :'(

you own a dark grey/black 55. get the white hhkb

Why do I find myself seconding so many of your posts, demik?

In any case, I feel obligated to vouch for your post yet again because this is exact color combo I have (both Type-S)
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 20:54:14 »
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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:17:45 »
I may be the newest acolyte.
Looking forward to your thoughts on it. Which one did you get?
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:23:40 »
I have a dark gray, lettered key caps, in my cart. I'm checking accessories; apart from a scant selection of additional key caps and two complete key-cap sets, looks like accessories are pretty thin, which is financially a good thing for me as this is an 'unscheduled' purchase, aren't they all?
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:37:50 »
This... so much.

It's the perfect combo (they are the only 2 keyboards I have anymore)

I am close to agreeing with this, but I actually like the 45g RF for long typing sessions.

How are you liking the Digilog case?

@ SSKguy- You have been thinking about an HHKB for a long time now, I think you should get one. They seem to be permanently down to $235 on EK now, probably due to favorable exchange rates. Those old prices hadn't been updated in some time.

Sadly, I still haven't gotten a chance to pop my board in the Digilog case because I haven't been able to drive up to my house to pick up my RF87U.  :'(

you own a dark grey/black 55. get the white hhkb

Why do I find myself seconding so many of your posts, demik?

In any case, I feel obligated to vouch for your post yet again because this is exact color combo I have (both Type-S)

because im the ****
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:39:28 »
I have a dark gray, lettered key caps, in my cart. I'm checking accessories; apart from a scant selection of additional key caps and two complete key-cap sets, looks like accessories are pretty thin, which is financially a good thing for me as this is an 'unscheduled' purchase, aren't they all?

The carrying case is nice to have if you plan to travel with the HHKB, BUT if your just going to use it at your desk and not move it its not necessary. And for the black version you can buy an extra universal spacebar (or you could not sure if they are in stock didn't check), since the HHKB has an ABS space bar.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:41:37 »
I have a dark gray, lettered key caps, in my cart. I'm checking accessories; apart from a scant selection of additional key caps and two complete key-cap sets, looks like accessories are pretty thin, which is financially a good thing for me as this is an 'unscheduled' purchase, aren't they all?
Cool. I second demik's suggestion to get the white one though. The black ones are neat but the white is the original.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:43:51 »
This thread's really helpful for me... I was wondering about the difference between the 45g rf and HHKB, and also to my MX reds.

45g rf being so smooth, it must be good for gaming like the MX reds then. I own a RF 23UB so I have this idea that the 45g rf is much less resistant.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:51:08 »
This thread's really helpful for me... I was wondering about the difference between the 45g rf and HHKB, and also to my MX reds.

45g rf being so smooth, it must be good for gaming like the MX reds then. I own a RF 23UB so I have this idea that the 45g rf is much less resistant.

anything is good for gaming.

you can game on any switch, so long as you enjoy it.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:53:54 »
This thread's really helpful for me... I was wondering about the difference between the 45g rf and HHKB, and also to my MX reds.

45g rf being so smooth, it must be good for gaming like the MX reds then. I own a RF 23UB so I have this idea that the 45g rf is much less resistant.

anything is good for gaming.

you can game on any switch, so long as you enjoy it.

This is true... I've been trying to use my HHKB for most games I play, and I think the key presses make it more fun.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 11:55:59 »
The keyboard deity comes through. I contacted a local guy with whom I've bought/sold/traded computer gear. I told him about my interest in an HHKB Pro 2; and he has a friend who has a Pro 2 and an S model. He called his buddy and the guy said we are welcome to come over an test both KBs. I am going to meet the guy I know and we'll go to his friend's apartment to check out both keyboards. It's about a half-hour from me, but it's certainly worth the drive--I'm looking forward to this. The S-type is too expensive for me, but a Pro 2 is a possibility. He's not selling his keyboards, but his willingness to let me try them is really nice of him.  I'll get back to this thread when I return.

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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 12:02:59 »
The keyboard deity comes through. I contacted a local guy with whom I've bought/sold/traded computer gear. I told him about my interest in an HHKB Pro 2; and he has a friend who has a Pro 2 and an S model. He called his buddy and the guy said we are welcome to come over an test both KBs. I am going to meet the guy I know and we'll go to his friend's apartment to check out both keyboards. It's about a half-hour from me, but it's certainly worth the drive--I'm looking forward to this. The S-type is too expensive for me, but a Pro 2 is a possibility. He's not selling his keyboards, but his willingness to let me try them is really nice of him.  I'll get back to this thread when I return.

Interested to see what you think about it.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 12:09:13 »
Try to get a good typing flow going with an online typing test and then see how Control  and Fn work with the shortcuts. Remember dipswitches
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 12:16:39 »
rf 45g feels a lot smoother thus making it seems a lot lighter.

too light actually. i prefer 45g hhkb over 45g rf. but 55g rf feels way better than 45g hhkb because it feels smoother. hard to explain

55g rf > 45g hhkb > 45g rf

Then, where would we possition the Type Heaven 45g? They say it feels different than 45g realforce... :confused:

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 16:43:29 »
I had about 90 minutes with the HHKB Pro 2 which is a good keyboard with a unique 45g Topre feel when compared with Realforce’s 45g plate-mounted switch. I prefer the feel of this switch on the HHKB Pro 2. You guys were right; it is springier than the same switch on a Realforce; and the resistance feels a bit greater compared with a 45g RF.

Some asked how it compares with MX Reds, also 45 grams. Well, the feel is different; it’s like trying to compare MX Clears with a 55g Topre—impossible to compare because both switches feel so very different. For the record, I prefer a 55g Topre to Cherry's MX Clear switch. Back to the MX Red/45g comparison: the MX Red lacks the solidity of the Topre; but the 45g Topre feels more stable when plate-mounted on an RF KB. However, with this said, I don’t like the feel of 45g RF KBs; they lack responsiveness. Not so with the HHKB. The switch is super-responsive on the Pro 2. The return is exceptional: more return force than one might expect; and feel from initial key press through my ‘bottoming-out’ typing felt really nice.

I did have some difficulty getting used to the layout, which figures; there would be a learning curve for me, but I expected this. I was permitted to reset the dip switches and test; it as fun and a great keyboard for make minor but convenient dip-switch customization.

What I didn’t like
I didn’t like being forced to use the Fn key to access the cursor keys; it’s really a pain, but not a deal-breaker; just a major inconvenience for those of us, me, who use our KBs for compiling, writing, and editing prose.

Having to use the Fn key for other commands is an immediate inconvenience for an HHKB novice--but I had to remember that this was my first outing with the keyboard. I’m sure if I had one and used it as often as I use my 87UB, I’d likely adjust. Speaking of the 55g/87UB, the HHKB, for me, cannot replace my Realforce. After this first outing, I still prefer the RF/55g to the Pro 2. I like the firmer key-switch for typing. However, after typing for hours on the 55g, making the transition to the HHKB would feel great; again, the only drawback is realigning my gray matter to the Pro 2’s configuration and calling up the Fn-key when needed.

I’d like to have an HHKB and use it as my lighter key-switch board. I'll get a Pro 2, but I don’t feel that it’s a keyboard I must have, but one I would really like to own. If I could own only one keyboard, it’d be the 55g/87UB. I know if an HHKB were the only keyboard under my PC, and if I had never typed on 55g RF, the Pro 2 would be my daily KB. When I finished my test, I really liked the feel of the keyboard; and if I had it, it's likely that I'd use it exclusively for several days to see if I could overcome my initial reservations re using the Fn key to access some commands. I think in time I'd find the KB would work just fine for me. But for now, my 55g RF is my #1 board; and the HHKB Pro 2 will eventually by my #2 keyboard. With these two KBs, there's really nothing more I could ask for two exceptional keyboards.

Thanks for your help and support. I agree, HHKB is a great keyboard. I can understand the rationale for so many dedicated HHKB users. And who knows, if I had one here and began using it exclusively for a few days, perhaps ordinal rankings would change between the 87UB and the Pro 2. One has to approach these things with an open mind.

If there are typos or syntax errors, mea culpa. Trying the HHKB was pretty exciting for me and I wrote this pretty quickly, sans proofing. I know that you understand, it's a keyboard-guy thing. And now that I've written all this and think about having used the Pro 2, I may not have the patience to wait for a used one. Yeah, you could say I really liked the Pro 2.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 03 February 2015, 20:22:17 »
ONE OF US ONE OF US.

Use the HHKB for a week and you'll pick up on it. It takes a bit to get used to, I ended up getting a blank model as my first HHKB so I could force myself to use it. I'm still not 100% good with the fn layer, but I know it enough that it doesn't really affect my typing. Also, I just use my keyboards for forums/gaming since my job has nothing to do with computers.

I agree though, RF 55g is still superior to 45g hhkb, but hhkb blows 45g RF out of the water.  And I'm glad you liked the board! People think I'm trolling them when I say it really is the last keyboard you need (well, paired with 55g RF, last 2 keyboards you need).

Also, if you truly need arrow keys, there is always the HHKB Pro JP. It looks difficult to use, but I picked up on the small backspace/spacebar in a matter of minutes. I'd also highly recommend that one.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:01:21 »
Indeed, I've become one of the RF/HHKB crew. I agree with you, I found RF's 45g platform underwhelming; but the same switch on an HHKB feels like a different switch. I had a couple PMs with SpamRay, and he accurately characterized the difference between the HHKB and the 55g RF: he said the 55g RF is something like a luxury car, where the HHKB is more like a sports car. I really feel that with my RF and adding an HHKB leave me no place to go re other keyboards--these two would give me the all I might ask for in keyboards/switches. For me, Topre switches are the best I've used. And HHKB's mounting of the 45g delivers a unique feel and one that is really enjoyable to use. I can see where one would look forward to using an HHKB for its unique layout and use of its Fn layer; even that layer has a strange appeal; and one that I've grown to like after one test run.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:23:42 »
no place to go re other keyboards--these two would give me the all I might ask for in keyboards/switches.
Nonsense! You still need one MX keyboard to display all the pretty keysets you'll pick up while being tempted on a daily basis here! Of course you probably won't use it since you've already realized that Topre is your favorite switch, but at least you won't be jealous of all the GMK group buys going on  :thumb:
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 11:19:24 »
I have to MX keyboards, both Corsair K65 with MX Red switches. The K65 is a workhorse of a keyboard; and I do have many MX accessory key caps. The array of MX key caps is a tough one to resist, even for one with a Topre addiction. But going forward, my searches/efforts will be targeted toward everything Topre. And after using an HHKB, it's difficult to go back to MX Red switches. As we know, all 45g switches aren't equal; and using a 45g Topre on an HHKB body is a very sweet experience.

I had forgotten to mention in my first-time overview: the key caps feel a bit broader on the HHKB compared with the caps on my RF. Is this so, or am I having a senior moment?

Yet another aside: The HHKB Pro 2 I tried yesterday was white and gray; and I can understand the need for a white-and-gray HHKB for the uninitiated, like me. The difference in the keyboard and having used the Fn-layer on occasion was made considerably more user-friendly by way of the key-caps legends. However, my aesthetic preference is for the dark gray. By the way, I tried my MX Red keyboard today... I've been forever spoiled by the HHKB. Can't go back to MX Red key switches; the feel of the Cherry 45g Red falls woefully short of acceptable after trying an HHKB.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 19:54:39 »
I have to MX keyboards, both Corsair K65 with MX Red switches. The K65 is a workhorse of a keyboard; and I do have many MX accessory key caps. The array of MX key caps is a tough one to resist, even for one with a Topre addiction. But going forward, my searches/efforts will be targeted toward everything Topre. And after using an HHKB, it's difficult to go back to MX Red switches. As we know, all 45g switches aren't equal; and using a 45g Topre on an HHKB body is a very sweet experience.

I had forgotten to mention in my first-time overview: the key caps feel a bit broader on the HHKB compared with the caps on my RF. Is this so, or am I having a senior moment?

Yet another aside: The HHKB Pro 2 I tried yesterday was white and gray; and I can understand the need for a white-and-gray HHKB for the uninitiated, like me. The difference in the keyboard and having used the Fn-layer on occasion was made considerably more user-friendly by way of the key-caps legends. However, my aesthetic preference is for the dark gray. By the way, I tried my MX Red keyboard today... I've been forever spoiled by the HHKB. Can't go back to MX Red key switches; the feel of the Cherry 45g Red falls woefully short of acceptable after trying an HHKB.


Another disciple! But in all seriousness, I agree that it's now hard to go back to my MX boards. As much as I love the sound of the HHKB, I will have to mod it soon. I have the dental bands coming in tomorrow so I will get on that quickly.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 10:46:32 »
Exactly. I tried the MX board, but the HHKB spoiled me with respect to a lighter switch to accompany my 55g RF.

Does the dental-band modification silence the keys and reduce key travel? As it stands for me, I'm so enamored of HHKB's sound, I'll likely use it stock; but we know how this is subject to change. With keyboards, one can never say "I'd never do that to my board".

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 10:56:55 »
Exactly. I tried the MX board, but the HHKB spoiled me with respect to a lighter switch to accompany my 55g RF.

Does the dental-band modification silence the keys and reduce key travel? As it stands for me, I'm so enamored of HHKB's sound, I'll likely use it stock; but we know how this is subject to change. With keyboards, one can never say "I'd never do that to my board".

I also love the sound but the rebound of the barrel part after a keypress produces a noticeable rattle and this is what I want to silence. I use the HHKB at work and unfortunately I have 3 others that sit in my proximity. I already tested the mod  with a couple of bands I had but I'm waiting for the pack of 100 today :) I can tell you that it definitely silences the upstroke so I can't wait to have it fully modded. I posted a picture of my HHKB in preparation in the "it's in the mail" thread. I can't say for certain about travel distance but I'll keep this in mind
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:01:17 »
Exactly. I tried the MX board, but the HHKB spoiled me with respect to a lighter switch to accompany my 55g RF.

Does the dental-band modification silence the keys and reduce key travel? As it stands for me, I'm so enamored of HHKB's sound, I'll likely use it stock; but we know how this is subject to change. With keyboards, one can never say "I'd never do that to my board".
It will silence the board but will also  reduce key travel. Some like it some don't. There should be a comparison of the dental banded HHKB, the Type-S, and the regular HHKB on YouTube.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:03:03 »
Exactly. I tried the MX board, but the HHKB spoiled me with respect to a lighter switch to accompany my 55g RF.

Does the dental-band modification silence the keys and reduce key travel? As it stands for me, I'm so enamored of HHKB's sound, I'll likely use it stock; but we know how this is subject to change. With keyboards, one can never say "I'd never do that to my board".

Dental bands make it quieter, but not as quiet as a Type-S. They do slightly reduce the travel. I liked the mod at first, but later changed my mind and decided the stock configuration was more pleasing in terms of sound and feel. YMMV of course.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:13:52 »
I'm not sure a dental-band mod would suit me, only because of the diminished key travel. I tried o-rings on two, one former, of my MX boards: one Blue and one Red, but I didn't care for the diminished key travel.

I bottom-out my key switches; but I strike my 55g Topres with less force than MX switches; I have no rationale for this other than the 55g Topre has a firm feel through the entire key stroke, which seems to diminish or, perhaps, absorb and dissipate my heavy key strikes. I hail from the days of manual (mills) typewriters, and many required firm key strikes. I think the technique is firmly, no pun intended, ingrained with these aging digits.

Here's a short HHKB dental-mod sound test from youtube: 
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 12:46:02 »
The problem with a dental banded Topre is the reduced travel is at the top not the bottom like a MX o-ring. To me it spoils the feel of Topre switch, because the tactile feel is at top on Topre switch keystroke. Some are not bothered by it but I don't care for a dental band modded Topre, Imo it spoils the tactile feeling.
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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 13:02:33 »
The problem with a dental banded Topre is the reduced travel is at the top not the bottom like a MX o-ring. To me it spoils the feel of Topre switch, because the tactile feel is at top on Topre switch keystroke. Some are not bothered by it but I don't care for a dental band modded Topre, Imo it spoils feeling.

I had no idea this modification would affect key travel at the top of the switch. Really interesting, thanks for posting.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 13:25:39 »
The problem with a dental banded Topre is the reduced travel is at the top not the bottom like a MX o-ring. To me it spoils the feel of Topre switch, because the tactile feel is at top on Topre switch keystroke. Some are not bothered by it but I don't care for a dental band modded Topre, Imo it spoils feeling.

I had no idea this modification would affect key travel at the top of the switch. Really interesting, thanks for posting.
Just look up any of the posted dental band silencing mods to see that the band on the plunger lowers it towards dome.

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 14:09:45 »
rf 45g feels a lot smoother thus making it seems a lot lighter.

too light actually. i prefer 45g hhkb over 45g rf. but 55g rf feels way better than 45g hhkb because it feels smoother. hard to explain

55g rf > 45g hhkb > 45g rf

Then, where would we possition the Type Heaven 45g? They say it feels different than 45g realforce... :confused:

No one?  :blank:

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Re: HHKB 45g vs. Realforce 45g Switches re Feel
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 14:28:25 »
rf 45g feels a lot smoother thus making it seems a lot lighter.

too light actually. i prefer 45g hhkb over 45g rf. but 55g rf feels way better than 45g hhkb because it feels smoother. hard to explain

55g rf > 45g hhkb > 45g rf

Then, where would we possition the Type Heaven 45g? They say it feels different than 45g realforce... :confused:

No one?  :blank:
Hmm.... I quite liked my Type Heaven when I still had it; was not a big fan of the keycaps though. I'd probably put the typing feel right above the 45g RF.

45g HHKB > 55g RF > TypeHeaven 45g >= RF45 > Variable
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