Who here Actually types without BOTTOMING out?

[ablooga]

I own MX blues and topres. Been trying to not bottomless out. And its basically impossible for me to not bottom out unless i type at a disgustingly slow speed.
So does anyone even type at a respectable speed say like 100 wpm and NOT bottom out.
I mean I've tried to not bottom out. But it loses its purpose (for me) when i type like a donkey while not bottoming out.

[exitfire401]

I don't bottom out on my 55g topre or 85g clears and still type at 90wpm. It's something you either get used to or don't. If I bottom out, I actually type closer to 60 wpm.

[rowdy]

There is nothing wrong with bottoming out.

I bottom out all the time - MX blacks, MX greens, buckling spring ...

[DrHubblePhD]

I can only prevent myself from bottoming out with tactile switches, perhaps that is why I find linears so tiring.

[jackalope]

I don't bottom out unless i'm playing games on stock browns, or 45g topre.  My wpm ranges between 60 and 80 depending on what board I am using, not sure if that's a respectable speed though, lol.

[Sygaldry]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

[slickmamba]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

[exitfire401]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

[SixtyLife]

I tried not bottoming out on reds and found it exhausting. More control and monitoring required to not bottom out.

[Touch_It]

Not bottoming out I think sounds like it would be a tedious chore.

[Ludovician]

I was using Buckling Springs for about a week, and just got my Topre board. Both of them are very hard for me to not bottom out, and the Topre ones feel extremely light after the BS anyway. Doesn't really bother me. So far I haven't been able to reach my BS average typing speed, but I think that's more to do with the HHKB layout's learning curve.

BS: 110 average WPM, 134 max
HHKB: 100ish average, 127 max

I've also just been using rubber domes for 12 years, and still not entirely used to these things yet.

[Findecanor]

I don't bottom out as much on Cherry MX Clears. I started avoiding it only after I had become accustomed to the switch which did take me a while.

With orthodontic bands/O-rings on MX Blues, I don't really notice if I do or not.

I didn't bottom out on Browns or Blacks, when I used them extensively, but only because I held back.

Topres: I can't avoid it.

[Fragil1ty]

Bottoming out, all day erry day.

[Melvang]

There is nothing wrong with bottoming out.

There can be as the impact can lead to RSI.  The only thing I don't bottom out on though is linear stems with clear springs. 

[Magna224]

The only switches I don't bottom out on are Clears because of how heavy they are at the bottom compared to the top.

[chyros]

Every keystroke is a bottoming out for me. I hammer the **** out of my keys.

There is nothing wrong with bottoming out.

There can be as the impact can lead to RSI.  The only thing I don't bottom out on though is linear stems with clear springs.

Is this enhanced by touch typing? Whenever I see vids of people touch typing it looks like their hands are cramped mutated appendages or something Oo .

[bueller]

Another that bottoms out hard here. One of the main reasons I like plate mounted boards and GMK caps, they can take a hammering.

[jamster]

I always bottom out, don't see anything wrong with it. But it's the most fun on buckling spring where you can smash the keyboard like an old typewriter.

[Oobly]

I bottom out quite often, but not all the time. Depends how fast / hard I'm typing and which switches I'm using. I really like that I don't have to on mechanical boards

[Heliosphere]

Bottoming out is completely normal. The point is to not bottom out hard.

[davkol]

* davkol floats the cloud of boobs

[CPTBadAss]

I always bottom out. It's the reason why I can't type on Topre. The bottom out on Topre hurts my hands so much.

[Lazerxzz]

I don't bottom out on my 55g topre or 85g clears and still type at 90wpm. It's something you either get used to or don't. If I bottom out, I actually type closer to 60 wpm.

I find I type slower myself If I don't bottom out.

[fohat.digs]

I certainly can type without bottoming out, and with buckling springs it is easy.

However, my typing attack often depends on my mood, and just a little extra enthusiasm pushes me over, since I am probably close to bottoming out anyway.

Also, I probably bottom out keys such as spacebar, enter, delete, and arrow keys as a matter of course.

[Dee1]

I type in the 120s but can push myself to 150 if I'm actually trying for speed. I almost always bottom out by default. If I'm concentrating on it, I can avoid bottoming out on about 75% of the keys. It does slow me down a bit since it takes more control to do, but I can stay around 100 wpm like that.

I don't do it often.

[Data]

Bottoming out, all day erry day.

This.  The travel distance is so insignificant for me that bottoming out is just easier and faster than trying to feather every key to its actuation point.

[Firebolt1914]

I sometimes type without bottoming out on MX Browns when I'm trying to type really fast. So far my max has been 130 WPM. Can't seem to get higher than that......

[monotagary]

I've attempted to learn not bottoming out, but it just doesn't feel right to me. And it feels doubly wrong to not bottom out on HHKB. 

[sidel]

I think it feels better to not bottom out but I have to type much much slower than I normally would to accomplish that using mx blues.

[Joey Quinn]

On heavy switches I don't bottom out but on light switches I do. Heavy > 75g

[aref]

Regardless of the switch, I bottom-out; this includes Topre's 45- and 55-gram on an RF or HHKB; Cherry MX series; and IBM Buckling Spring.

[_PixelNinja]

I do not bottom out when typing on Cherry MX. I find it difficult to avoid on Topre because of the way the domes seem to pull the keys down when collapsing, but I do so softly.

[Novus]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

I don't quite get how you can not bottom out on a topre just by the design of the switch.
Post a video of this.

[aref]

On heavy switches I don't bottom out but on light switches I do. Heavy > 75g

We have a penchant for heavy switches. The heaviest switch I've used is MX Black--I like their linear/uninterrupted key travel. I do bottom out when I use them. But I also like the really subtle tactility of Topre's 55-gram switch, too.

[demik]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

I don't quite get how you can not bottom out on a topre just by the design of the switch.
Post a video of this.

i can type on topre without bottoming out but id type super slow. i would probably be able to type a bit faster without bottoming out on 55g, but yeah, it's too much of a waste of time to not bottom out.

[Joey Quinn]

On heavy switches I don't bottom out but on light switches I do. Heavy > 75g

We have a penchant for heavy switches. The heaviest switch I've used is MX Black--I like their linear/uninterrupted key travel. I do bottom out when I use them. But I also like the really subtle tactility of Topre's 55-gram switch, too.

I like heavy switches a lot, the only light switches I like are 62g ergo clears, and 55g Topre which I guess is pretty light.

[demik]

80g blues/greens best cherry switch.

man i love heavy switches so much.

[slickmamba]

I tried it this morning and yeah. Much much slower.

[Novus]

80g blues/greens best cherry switch.

man i love heavy switches so much.

What about dem greys?

[aref]

On heavy switches I don't bottom out but on light switches I do. Heavy > 75g

We have a penchant for heavy switches. The heaviest switch I've used is MX Black--I like their linear/uninterrupted key travel. I do bottom out when I use them. But I also like the really subtle tactility of Topre's 55-gram switch, too.

I like heavy switches a lot, the only light switches I like are 62g ergo clears, and 55g Topre which I guess is pretty light.

After using 55g Topres for some time, I find them to light but moderately firm key switch. I tried 45g Topres on two RF keyboards, but found them much too light for these bottoming-out digits.

[aref]

80g blues/greens best cherry switch.

man i love heavy switches so much.

I've never tried, even seen, 80g switches; but the idea is interesting to me. Did you modify blues/greens to 80 grams?

[demik]

80g blues/greens best cherry switch.

man i love heavy switches so much.

What about dem greys?

do greys have an audible click like blues/greens? i've never tried them. i like clicky switches, i love the sound.

80g blues/greens best cherry switch.

man i love heavy switches so much.

I've never tried, even seen, 80g switches; but the idea is interesting to me. Did you modify blues/greens to 80 grams?

yup, though it wasn't a full board but a couple of loose switches. i think the heaviest switch i've tired were super blacks, which i think are 120g? not sure

[JinDesu]

Aren't greens normally 80g? I thought it was.

[Polymer]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

I don't quite get how you can not bottom out on a topre just by the design of the switch.
Post a video of this.

Agreed..I don't believe it to be honest...although a lot of people convince themselves they're not bottoming out when they really are...just lightly...Bottoming out = the switch hitting the bottom, it doesn't mean slamming the hell out of it...

Same with people saying they type faster without bottoming out....I doubt that...

But would love to be proven wrong..but all the videos people have put up trying to show that just prove they're indeed bottoming out...

[slickmamba]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

I don't quite get how you can not bottom out on a topre just by the design of the switch.
Post a video of this.

Agreed..I don't believe it to be honest...although a lot of people convince themselves they're not bottoming out when they really are...just lightly...Bottoming out = the switch hitting the bottom, it doesn't mean slamming the hell out of it...

Same with people saying they type faster without bottoming out....I doubt that...

But would love to be proven wrong..but all the videos people have put up trying to show that just prove they're indeed bottoming out...

After the press registers, there is probably 2mm before the key/housing hits the bottom. 

[jamster]

do greys have an audible click like blues/greens? i've never tried them. i like clicky switches, i love the sound.

Greys and Clears seem to have identical stem profiles, just with a different spring weight. I tried taking a photo, but it's hard to get detail from the clear switches because they're white. Greys don't click.

I'd be interested if the different clicky MX switches all sound like Blues (high pitched) or whether some of them have a lower tone.

[monotagary]

for some reason I find linear MX switches easier to not bottom out on

I type at around 85 wpm bottoming out and closer to 100 while not bottoming out.

The exception to this, I find, is Topre, which I can't help but bottom out but still type faster than I do on tactile MX switches

I found it really easy to not bottom out on MX Reds, blacks, and Browns.  I haven't even tried not bottoming out on the topre haha

Not bottoming out on Topre is seriously an art form and it took me months to learn.

I don't quite get how you can not bottom out on a topre just by the design of the switch.
Post a video of this.

Agreed..I don't believe it to be honest...although a lot of people convince themselves they're not bottoming out when they really are...just lightly...Bottoming out = the switch hitting the bottom, it doesn't mean slamming the hell out of it...

Same with people saying they type faster without bottoming out....I doubt that...

But would love to be proven wrong..but all the videos people have put up trying to show that just prove they're indeed bottoming out...

After the press registers, there is probably 2mm before the key/housing hits the bottom.

While that is true, the way the dome collapses makes it difficult to not bottom out. After you hit the actuation point, there is no resistance left.

That's just what I've experienced using my two Topre boards. 

[Veridis]

While the bottoming out on Topre is more cushioned, when typing normally I bottom out harder on Topre than on MX switches.
I love the bottoming out feeling, espcially on Topre. Unfortunately after a few months Topre gave me finger pains so I'm back to MX brown.

[Oobly]

Bottoming out is completely normal. The point is to not bottom out hard.

^^This. If you're still accelerating the key when it hits bottom the shock is strong. If you're already reducing the force (or have even changed its direction) it's not so strong and in fact can help "rebound" the finger if you're actually already putting in upward force to overcome the momentum.

F=ma, v=u+at, s=ut+1/2 at^2, p=mv

so position and force are 2 derivations apart. Which means you can still bottom out even while applying upward force already. This is why I always install trampolines on my switches.

In order to not bottom out, you need to apply some very precise amounts of force at very accurate timing to allow the slider to move past the actuation point, but not reach the bottom out point. Very hard to do (especially at speed as the forces required are greater and the timing more precise) and ultimately not all that valuable. As long as you're not bottoming out strongly, you're doing okay.

[EDIT] I don't really want to, but I can do some calculations to support this if needed. [/EDIT]

[chyros]

Bottoming out is completely normal. The point is to not bottom out hard.

^^This. If you're still accelerating the key when it hits bottom the shock is strong. If you're already reducing the force (or have even changed its direction) it's not so strong and in fact can help "rebound" the finger if you're actually already putting in upward force to overcome the momentum.

F=ma, v=u+at, s=ut+1/2 at^2, p=mv

so position and force are 2 derivations apart. Which means you can still bottom out even while applying upward force already. This is why I always install trampolines on my switches.

In order to not bottom out, you need to apply some very precise amounts of force at very accurate timing to allow the slider to move past the actuation point, but not reach the bottom out point. Very hard to do (especially at speed as the forces required are greater and the timing more precise) and ultimately not all that valuable. As long as you're not bottoming out strongly, you're doing okay.

[EDIT] I don't really want to, but I can do some calculations to support this if needed. [/EDIT]

Am I correct in assuming you're a physicist then?