best old style monitor? where to find?

[wheel83]

i dont know what the ratio is.  maybe 4:3.  anyways it seems all new monitors are widescreen.  where can i find a good new dell or asus monitor that is the old aspect ratio?

[rdjack21]

Yea those are getting hard to find. I would like a couple myself as they make good secondary monitors for multi monitor setups. If you are not stuck on either dell or asus check out newegg they still have some.

If you don't mind used or refurbished I was going to say check out Dell Outlet but they don't have any 4:3 monitors but don't loose hope. There are a few Austin local places that do and will ship to you like discountelectronics that does have them and at a reasonable price. I've been looking at those 20" 1600x1200 ones myself for a couple of weeks. The one they have has a really nice stand on it and at $149 they are not a bad price. In their actual store they have some of those really nice 24" as well.

[JBert]

The best I've been able to find were 5:4 monitors which use a native resolution 1280x1024. I have a Samsung LCD with that resolution, but it was quite some time before I got it.

One brand which continues to offer these monitors is Eizo. However, they are more for people who need true color authenticity and hence cost 3-5 times more than the common TN LCD panels.

[jkkhop]

[DreymaR]

I've been hoarding old CRT screens with a glorious past such as the Sony Trinitron ones, but it isn't really a great idea. After 7+ years of continous use, their contrast levels are totally shot. I still use them for text, but usually in ensemble with a newer LCD screen.

[iMav]

The local university swap shop here has 15" IBM LCD's by the truck load.  I pick up a couple every time I go.  They are only 1024x768...but it's nice to have spares.

[Rajagra]

I've been hoarding old CRT screens with a glorious past such as the Sony Trinitron ones, but it isn't really a great idea. After 7+ years of continous use, their contrast levels are totally shot. I still use them for text, but usually in ensemble with a newer LCD screen.

It is possible to 'refresh' CRTs, but it's probably hard finding someone to do it nowadays. I don't think I'd try doing it myself either - why risk your life when screens are so cheap now.

[timw4mail]

It is possible to 'refresh' CRTs, but it's probably hard finding someone to do it nowadays. I don't think I'd try doing it myself either - why risk your life when screens are so cheap now.

Wouldn't you basically have to replace the phosphors? That seems like it would be pretty complex to do.

[Shawn Stanford]

The local university swap shop here has 15" IBM LCD's by the truck load.  I pick up a couple every time I go.  They are only 1024x768...but it's nice to have spares.

Hook a brother up! How much are they getting and would you ship them out?

[Rajagra]

Wouldn't you basically have to replace the phosphors? That seems like it would be pretty complex to do.

No, the usual cause of dimming is deposits on the cathodes, you can burn them off by zapping the circuits with bursts of higher than normal voltage/current.

[cmr]

i used to stick to CRTs exclusively, but around 2007 LCDs started to have acceptable contrast and viewing angles so i have been slowly removing CRTs from my setups and switching to LCDs. if you haven't tried some of them from the past two years they are worth checking out.

[alexlzl]

Dell 2001FP LCD, 20", 1600x1200, IPS panel. You can find it on ebay for less than $200. The best old style LCD. For new wide-screen layout, search for Dell U2410 (H-IPS panel, $599 on Dell Small Business)

[AndrewZorn]

agree with the above two quality models,
and i am getting the newest dell IPS panel i can when i get home

[clickclack]

Dell 2001FP LCD, 20", 1600x1200, IPS panel. You can find it on ebay for less than $200. The best old style LCD. For new wide-screen layout, search for Dell U2410 (H-IPS panel, $599 on Dell Small Business)

I might be picking up one similar to that, as I really like the idea of a monitor with IPS, 4:3, and 1600x1200 to match somewhat closely to my Cintiq in a dual monitor setup. I get such headaches if its not IPS or similar technology.

agree with the above two quality models,
and i am getting the newest dell IPS panel i can when i get home

Good choice, I find them much more pleasant to look at and edit from. I still miss CRT's though. Higher res LCD's with pixel pitches around .258mm and smaller really remind me of some of the nicer points of older higher end CTR's

[ch_123]

I have no doubt that CRT monitors were fashioned by God himself, can accurately render every colour of the rainbow, and have a viewing angle so good that you can see them from the moon.

Me? I'd rather have something that doesn't take up a mile of desk space and doesn't give me headaches...

[roaduck]

I used to use two 21" 4:3 aspect ratio CRT monitors and the colour was incredible and the resolution was over 1920 horizontal pixel resolution - better than my current Edge10 24" full HD widescreen monitor.I think they were flat Sony Trinitron tubes in a Compaq P1100 Professional Monitor and I had a Sony GDM-500PS.They ate the LCD`s for breakfast in every area apart from screen geometry and cost £1600 and £2400 respectively.The equivalent resolution from a LCD would cost over £9000.

[AndrewZorn]

you mean at the time?  what?

dell 30" is 2560x1600

or do you mean on a 21"?  who wants way high res on a 21"?

[rdh]

who wants way high res on a 21"?

I would.

My work laptop (a Compaq 8510p) has a 15.4" screen with 1680 x 1050 resolution.  I gather a newer revision of it has 1920 x 1200 in the same physical size.

bhtooefr has a 22" monitor with 3840 x 2560 resolution.  Sounds like a sweet setup to me.

[Hak Foo]

I never got headaches from mine at a responsible refresh rate.

Sun GDM-5410.  Bought it from my local college's scrap shop for $65.  Replaced a 19" Viewsonic VX910 LCD which cost (at the time) 350 dollars.  1600x1200 at 85Hz looked great.

I used it til 2007, sold it to a co-worker for $25.  Replaced it with a Samsung 20" TN LCD which lasted about 3 months before I abandoned it, after earning a big bonus, for a 24" Soyo with a PVA panel.  Even still, I dislike that I have to swing the monitor for the best picture, and I can't do 2048x1536 even if solely for the lulz.

[zwmalone]

They still make really nice CRTs...  I'm using a 17" from 2007 that is very nice.  I don't swear by them or anything, they just make nice ones.  Next year, my high school is dumping their current gear, and I'm gonna get my hands on 6-8 Planar PL1700 LCDs...  These have an even nicer display than the 27" widescreen Dell Ultrasharps in the 3D Animation & CAD lab...

[AndrewZorn]

i like resolution a lot myself... my 17" laptop is 1920x1200.  i just think that if you are going to get a large monitor with a high resolution, mind as well go for the larger monitor, too

[itlnstln]

you mean at the time? what?
 
dell 30" is 2560x1600
 
or do you mean on a 21"? who wants way high res on a 21"?

The higher the resolution to monitor size ratio, the better the DPI.  The better the DPI, the more smooth and crisp the image is.

[AndrewZorn]

i guess what i am saying is i could not see getting the same res on a 22" that i could on a 30" if they were similar in price.

you can always sit further back from the bigger one.

personal preference maybe

[itlnstln]

i guess what i am saying is i could not see getting the same res on a 22" that i could on a 30" if they were similar in price.
 
you can always sit further back from the bigger one.
 
personal preference maybe

Since the pixels would be smaller on the 22", the picture will be better (all other things being equal) since the pixel density will be higher.  The 22" and the 30" will show the same picture since the resolution is the same, but since the pixel density will be lower on the 30", lines will look more jagged, etc.  It's still a personal preference.  Really, I kinda liked having 2 17"s over my 2 19"s just because the picture was a little nicer and text a little sharper.

[AndrewZorn]

no, if you sit appropriately further from the larger screen, the pixel borders should be even equal or even less noticeable on the larger display

i still attribute it to preference, some people are amazed that the golden girls looks bad when looking at a 52" plasma from 4ft away.  doesnt mean the display is bad.

[itlnstln]

no, if you sit appropriately further from the larger screen, the pixel borders should be even equal or even less noticeable on the larger display

Which is about the same as sitting close to a 22" display.  The Golden Girls look bad, because it is in 480i (640x480 interlaced) and not in the native resolution of the TV (usually 1080p, these days).  That would be analogous to displaying 1024x768 on a 30" or a 22" monitor.  Since the monitor has to scale the image, it appears soft (and crappy).  For all monitors with the same resolution, the smaller the pixel (whether that's sitting 3' away from a 22" monitor or 5' away from a 30") the better.  All sitting farther away from a 30" is doing is trading pixel density for viewing distance.  Really, you gain nothing either way.  The only real gain is more resolution.
 
I'll be the first to tell you that sitting 10' away from my GF's 32" 1080p TV, the image is much crisper than my 1080p 61" TV.  My TV's a lot bigger, so you have the trade-off (at the same resolution) larger or sharper.  Pure preference.

[Rajagra]

For all monitors with the same resolution, the smaller the pixel (whether that's sitting 3' away from a 22" monitor or 5' away from a 30") the better.  All sitting farther away from a 30" is doing is trading pixel density for viewing distance.

If two displays are placed at distances such that each one's pixels subtend the same angle from your point of view, you will perceive them as having the same pixel density. If they also have the same resolution (total number of pixels) then they will both subtend the same total angle of view - you will perceive them as being the same size (in the absence of other visual clues.)

In essence, they will seem identical.

[itlnstln]

If two displays are placed at distances such that each one's pixels subtend the same angle from your point of view, you will perceive them as having the same pixel density. If they also have the same resolution (total number of pixels) then they will both subtend the same total angle of view - you will perceive them as being the same size (in the absence of other visual clues.)
 
In essence, they will seem identical.

I think that's what I was trying to say.  It doesn't really matter what size monitor you get, if you are going to adjust your viewing distance to maintain pixel density, both monitors are virtually identical.  OTOH, if your viewing distance is fixed, monitor size could play a major role when it comes to maintaining pixel density.

[AndrewZorn]

right

golden girls was a bad example but i meant it as a joke on top of the real example

[InSanCen]

if you ever spot any LaCie Electron Blue's in your price range, rip someone's hand off.

You have no idea how much I wish I didn't have to sell my pair of 21" beauties. About as good as CRT's ever were.

[clickclack]

The percieved resolution and actual resolution game often contends with the viewing angle and color game.

I love higher resolution monitors (LCD's) in the .24-.60mm pixel pitch range but many times the color and/or viewing angle is subpar. This is changing a bit more now. I also find the in a multiple monitor setup color and viewing angle are very important.

There is the added complication many times of the monitor having a resolution to where it looks great and things are superbly crisp and detailed but harder to look at without getting too close. Laptops many times have had much higher resolution per screen size than many other screens but consequence many times is exceptionaly poor viewing angles and viewing distance problems.

Every individual is different but eye strain and fatigue are important factors as well. I should however mention that I work in the visual arts and this plays a very big role in my usage, as is the experience I speak from with others in my related fields.

[itlnstln]

I prefer crisp images regardless of the size (to and extent, of course).  I find small, precision images much less fatiguing than big, blurry ones.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

CRT's are very good monitors as long as they can handle a refresh rate of 70Hz or more.

[InSanCen]

If someone has $100, and it's not a scam, bargain of a lifetime... ($1500 list when new)

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/1385688144.html

just for new people, no, it's not me selling it

And one for the UK... I'd say it'll hit >£150 if not, rip hands off. I would, but I would die, painfully.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lacie-Electron-IV-CRT-22-monitor_W0QQitemZ180411191795QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors?hash=item2a015851f3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[AndrewZorn]

they prolly just dont know

[wheel83]

i meant lcd's exclusively.  does anyone make a 4:3 one new?

[D-EJ915]

HP has a 20" one, 2065 something, I think it's around 400