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« Reply #350 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 10:46:41 »
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Yeah, they're ALL like that. But to see it you have to take a flashlight and then look at the BACK of the keys. Only a true Geekhacker would do that. Like the people that complain about the back of Unicomp keys.

That's just the nature of molding plastic, though.  There might be a better place to have the injection nipple (the disc golf term for molding crud), but really, there is no avoiding it and you aren't going to see it, anyway.  The only time I could see it being a problem is if it interferes with the operation of the key in some way (which has been known to happen).


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« Reply #351 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 11:31:49 »
keeping your fingernails trimmed would not only prevent that kind of keycap damage, but it is an accurate indicator of good overall hygiene and is aesthetically pleasing.

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« Reply #352 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 15:53:31 »
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what did you do to the N key?


He was testing N key rollover, of course.
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« Reply #353 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 17:21:05 »
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Here you have the same problem that, after a few PMs, the OP (of this 400 post thread) and I concluded the most likely scenario was fingernail abrasion of the keycap coating.

I'm putting my money on the case that hotswank, or whoever is using this board, plays games with ESDF and uses their left pinky on A, which would account for the coating wear right of center (you only have 1 tendon connecting your ring and pinky fingers, so they naturally pull together during movement). The OP had wear of the same appearance, but dead center on S, and had admitted to using WASD, in which case his middle finger fingernail contacted S in a perpendicular fashion as he moved between S and W (back and forward). Any key cap is going to get some abuse this way, but the coating on FILCOs presents a problem, I do not disagree.

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Did someone key your keycap? This looks like abuse, or aggravation of a defective cap. No comment.

hotswank, I thank you for your photos, the coating on the keycaps has been a source of problems for several customers and these photos help in discussing alternative technologies with FILCO's parent.

I do, however, take issue with what I perceive to be a derisive tone in referring to your keyboard as "Made in Taiwan." The Western world has embraced Southeast Asian labor to the point of heavy dependency. Feel free to throw out 70% of all "things" you own, and to educate yourself to repulse everything with some second or third hand connection to Southeast Asian manufacturing, then come back here and let us know if you can still get by. In my experience, the manufacturing of consumer products in America and many European countries doesn't fare any better on the average, so you might as well put yourself down as well.


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« Reply #354 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 18:07:36 »
and i thought i came up with the idea of using ESDF on my own

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« Reply #355 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 18:26:27 »
LOL Ricercar "He was testing N key rollover, of course."

I find a lot of things made in Taiwan to be of higher-than-normal quality.
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« Reply #356 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 18:39:26 »
country of manufacture is not an indication of quality
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« Reply #357 on: Mon, 30 November 2009, 21:14:49 »
You know, that type of wear CAN be caused just by finger-tips.  Some of you may have noticed that for the last few years manufacturers have been using this "soft-touch" ultra thin rubbery coating on tons of things to make them more pleasant to touch (computer mice, DAB radios etc etc) and these keys appear to have the same thing on them.  My last Logitech mouse developed these round worn patches just where the fingers rested.  I wasn't even actively tapping or gripping those surfaces tightly.  This wear did occur over a period of years though, not months, so i'd guess the guy who owns that keyboard must be one of those addicted WoW gamers who doesn't sleep.  That, or the thickness of the soft coating is incredibly thin.

The country of origin is no indicator of quality.  Any nation that can send men into space and return them safely to Earth is capable of producing a decent keyboard, as incredible an achievement that may be.  It is only tight-fisted companies who want to maximise their profit by paying for cheap materials and half-assed labour, and consumers who want something for nothing, who cause bad quality products to flood Western markets.

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« Reply #358 on: Tue, 01 December 2009, 19:24:26 »
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I'm putting my money on the case that hotswank, or whoever is using this board, plays games with ESDF and uses their left pinky on A

I do, however, take issue with what I perceive to be a derisive tone in referring to your keyboard as "Made in Taiwan."

I do play games with this KB, but not ESDF, just WASD. I never even use the E (lean right) nor the N-key. And although I'm not a writer or scripter, those are damaged by typing and I do have long fingernails from time to time. Fact of the matter is, looking closely at the W-key on which my middle finger rests ALL the time, there is no 'spot' damage like on the ASE-keys, which proofs the point IMHO.

WRT Made in Taiwan: That's what the label says, along with the P/N and S/N. No pun intended.

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« Reply #359 on: Wed, 02 December 2009, 19:06:29 »
I'm not a gamer hence my lack of more powerful computers.
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« Reply #360 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:15:36 »
People complain about the Filco caps, but it could be worse:
 


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« Reply #361 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:17:33 »
Having no keycaps?
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« Reply #362 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:24:05 »
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Having no keycaps?

For some, apparently not.
 
 
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« Reply #363 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:32:49 »
There was no picture of keycaps.
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« Reply #364 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:35:38 »
Right.  Whiskey used them without caps.


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« Reply #365 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 19:23:45 »
I've only skimmed the previous 30 pages but my Filco is now around 5 months old.

The first key to enjoy the wrath of my thumbnail is left Alt:

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« Reply #366 on: Fri, 04 December 2009, 19:28:12 »
wow. as I sadly glance down at my filco. is it just a matter of time before this happens to me?

I keep my fingernails trimmed, and use just the tips of my fingers to hit the keys. still, its pretty cheesy for the key to fail like this. fingernail or no fingernail.
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« Reply #367 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 08:34:41 »
I must have very short fingernails.  I can't touch a key with my fingernails without bending my fingers awkwardly.


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« Reply #368 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 12:33:19 »
put your fingers on home row
move D finger up slightly to catch the edge of E
overcome your inadequacies (or stop biting your nails)

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« Reply #369 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 12:41:43 »
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put your fingers on home row
move D finger up slightly to catch the edge of E
overcome your inadequacies (or stop biting your nails)

Right.  The very bottom edge of E.  How about the center of the N key?


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« Reply #370 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 14:30:25 »
oh, thats just typical filco crappy finish wear.

*obviously*

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« Reply #371 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 15:38:20 »
ive barely used mine

and im trading it for a blue cherry one now actually

my hhkb spacebar has too little contact area (sharp edge) to wear, only reason i wont flip it around
my thumb might get shiny though

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« Reply #372 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 16:14:33 »
The M13's keycaps put any Filco nightmare pic I've seen to shame. And this is a good condition Brian O' Neill one!

Great keyboard though.

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« Reply #373 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 16:22:04 »
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ive barely used mine

and im trading it for a blue cherry one now actually

my hhkb spacebar has too little contact area (sharp edge) to wear, only reason i wont flip it around
my thumb might get shiny though



Thanks zorn, my english/korean lettering 87 filco is on it's way to iraq as we speak, along with blank keycaps.  Turns out my wife and myself like the pink colored blue cherry filco a lot, to the point where I would rather have a brown cherry board for work, don't need two blue cherry boards... Happy this trade is going to work out.
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Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position

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« Reply #374 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 16:42:41 »
i think you threw the wife part in there.  its okay to like pink.

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« Reply #375 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 22:25:36 »
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i think you threw the wife part in there.  its okay to like pink.


I'm wearing pink underwear right now.  I love pink underwear.  And my wife does too.
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Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position

KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

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« Reply #376 on: Mon, 07 December 2009, 22:30:54 »
By the way how did you get a picture of my car ripster, you following me??
My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position

KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

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« Reply #377 on: Tue, 08 December 2009, 17:09:54 »
We can all survive well without knowing that.
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« Reply #378 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 10:35:08 »
At least those keys are laser-etched.  That thing looks like it was out in a hail storm.


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« Reply #379 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 11:53:20 »
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The M13's keycaps put any Filco nightmare pic I've seen to shame. And this is a good condition Brian O' Neill one!

Great keyboard though.



I've been using my M13 daily for around a year now, and I haven't seen any evidence of wear whatsoever. Initially I was worried (severely, I might add) due to several keys appearing to have significantly lighter legends, but after a year of constant abuse I don't see any difference.

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« Reply #380 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 15:29:31 »
My Focus' keys are worn smooth. But at least they're double-shot.
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« Reply #381 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 19:47:16 »
wait, i think i know which is which, but what do you mean by (the Filco lettering is kinda small) after talking about the unicomp?

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« Reply #382 on: Mon, 14 December 2009, 20:25:36 »
i meant the
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Unicomp version of M4 (which I think is how the M13 is printed)

60x (the Filco lettering is kinda small)
at first i thought you were showing pictures of the unicomp, then the filco, but when i read the next one i know you were talking about the unicomp

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« Reply #383 on: Tue, 15 December 2009, 05:17:36 »
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I've been using my M13 daily for around a year now, and I haven't seen any evidence of wear whatsoever. Initially I was worried (severely, I might add) due to several keys appearing to have significantly lighter legends, but after a year of constant abuse I don't see any difference.


Bare in mind that my one was used. It may have received heavy use by the time I got it.

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« Reply #387 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 11:09:21 »
As I've owned my Filco, I've noticed this effect start to occur on other keys as well.  I think it may just be a normal part of the wearing process.
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« Reply #388 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 11:10:54 »
Failure to see what happened in other threads first results in unfortunate failage.
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« Reply #389 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 11:12:34 »
Uh oh.

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« Reply #390 on: Fri, 23 April 2010, 11:15:03 »
Special K is here.  :)

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The finish is now wearing off completely
« Reply #391 on: Mon, 03 May 2010, 08:15:49 »
Here's a shot of the Filco I've been using daily. The finish on several keys (including left Ctrl, not shown) is now wearing completely off.

A, S, and H are the worst right now but many other keys look ready to go.
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Good thing I got the blank one...

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I don't know if that helps. They still look horrible, the color is grey underneath, not black.
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Uhm no, I can look at the actual keyboard, not just the picture, and it's definitely grey.
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You are having all sorts of bad luck with your Filcos.


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Yes I am. But they still seem to work ok. Good thing I have a sense of humor.
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And you don't live anywhere near Elitekeyboards.


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Nope, it costs about as much as a keyboard to ship one.
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Quote from: ripster;178472
I'm just saying the ring is grey.  Not the plastic underneath.

Keep typing and it will go black again.

Good thing you have a sense of humor.  Nice shiny spacebars.



Of all the keyboards I own, I've taken a shine to my Filcos.

Or should I say, Filcos outshine all other keyboards, just look at my spacebars...
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