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Offline bryan11

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Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« on: Sun, 06 September 2015, 11:05:51 »
For work, switching from a cheap Dell keyboard to a Unicomp Ultra Classic was great.  The buckling springs feel great and I can type faster, but the noise is an issue.  After reading many forum posts about mechanical keyboards, I got a Cherry MX switch tester and find the clear and green feel best with blue closely behind.  I'd like to try a TKL keyboard with Cherry MX clear switches.  Media keys to control volume would be nice as well.

There are no local stores to test any of these, so I'm using reviews and videos to try to narrow down the choices.   

It also looks like I may want to get a set of either PBT or ABS doubleshot keycaps to replace the stock ones and make the keyboard quieter.  A rubber mat or o-rings might help as well, but it's not clear yet what to try first.  Maybe none will be needed with clear switches.

Here's the current list.

1. KUL ES-87: No current stock found with clears, only greens
2. WASD V2 87-key: Clears or greens available.  Deciding between stock version or WASD 87-key barebones with WASD PBT keycap set to make it quieter
3. KB Paradise V80 TKL: Clears or greens available, Kailh switches

Ideas and recommendations on other keyboards to consider, ways to make them quieter, or other options would be appreciated.  The keyboard tours seem like a great idea so I'm hoping to find some of those to join to try things out before purchasing.

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Bryan
   

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 06 September 2015, 11:58:14 »
Never mind.
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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 06 September 2015, 14:03:02 »
If noise is an issue, you're not going to want a keyboard with MX green switches. I got complaints at my office for using them.

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 06 September 2015, 14:52:54 »
I'd recommend the WASD V2 or CODE with Clears. I think the KUL is a little more solid and comes with better keycaps, but they are quite hard to find in stock with Clears at the moment as you've discovered.

In terms of silencing, I use little silicon balls inside the tube in the switches and a little dab of latex on the inside of the upper casing to help with bottom out and release sound, but both these mods require desoldering the switches from the board to open them.

Orings do a decent job, but you have to be careful of the keycap type and profile as they have different shapes on the underside that determines which (and how many) orings to use. Cherry profile generally require thin orings, OEM can vary, DCS, DSA and SA profile need multiple orings, so if you want to get aftermarket caps I'd recommend Cherry profile (GMK, BSP, Gateron and JT Keycaps make Cherry profile and I think the later Leopold caps are very similar).
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Offline bryan11

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 08:40:44 »
Will the WASD Doubleshot PBT 104-Key Cherry MX Keycap set likely be quieter than the default ABS keycaps?  I could get the barebones 87-key keyboard with that, try installing the PBT keycaps, and then see if o-rings are needed. 

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 09:04:13 »
Keycaps generally don't change the volume, just the tone. Seeing as the WASD PBT doubleshots look a little thicker than their stock OEM ABS caps, they may sound a little "better". Thicker keycaps with more mass will tend to dampen more of the high pitch sounds and emphasise lower frequencies, whereas thinner, lighter caps will not dampen the high frequencies and tend to sound "cheaper" and more plasticky.

The material does make a difference, but not as much as the overall mass. POM tends to dampen the most, then ABS, then PBT, due to the "brittleness" vs softness of the material. However, the densities are in a different order, POM is densest followed by PBT and then ABS.

Anyhow, orings will do a LOT more to dampen the sound than different material keycaps. If you still want to dampen the high frequencies, get heavy keycaps. The heaviest I've tried (and they're also my favourites) are Signature Plastics' SA profile (around 2g per cap).

I highly recommend using nice thick Cherry profile caps like those made by GMK (such as these for instance: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/originative-gmk-dolch or these: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74079.0) with thin orings for using with MX Clears. They're a bit lighter than SA profile caps, but they have a consistent underside shape and so work well with orings. They don't leave much space between the bottom structure of the cap and the top of the switch when you press them all the way down, though, so they require thin orings if you don't want to change the travel distance much, but any orings will work.
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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:02:52 »
I am a huge mech keyboard fan but if my office mate brought in a something with blue, green, or BS switches I would probably strangle him with the cord within the week.

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 13:12:03 »
I would recommend the MX grey, like the one in the Vortex PFCN6800 KBTalking ONE, and add some o-rings. You get the tactile feedback, and it is much quieter than the buckling spring.

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:56:02 »
I would recommend the MX grey, like the one in the Vortex PFCN6800 KBTalking ONE, and add some o-rings. You get the tactile feedback, and it is much quieter than the buckling spring.

Greys are the same as Clears, but with REALLY strong springs. I'd go with stock Clears first. Then, if they're too light for you, consider Greys. I find stock Clears too heavy for me, so I use 62g ErgoClears, at least until my Zealios arrive :D

You could of course go straight to a custom... Buy a NerD case and PCB from GON and some Zealio 67g switches. May require some assembly... and soldering and stuff. And it'll cost more, but it's worth it in the end, IMHO.
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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 06:05:13 »
I just got my CODE with MX clears.  Highly recommended, even the dreaded ping is more like gentle wind chimes in the background.  The white backlighting is nice - clinical, but not unpleasantly so.

No O-rings installed on this one (I think they just do on stall on the MX green CODEs), but I find that I'm not bottoming out as much as I usually do (this is a first for me - I bottom out on everything else).

I was using an SSK at work, and someone criticised it quite bitterly, so I switched to a Ducky Shine with MX blacks.  The intention is to take the CODE in, once I have finished playing with it at home.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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Offline bryan11

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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:07:28 »
Choosing a keyboard is both difficult, interesting, and scary.   It's like spending time to acquire good tools for your work.  It can make your life much better, so it's worth some time and money if you spend a lot of time at a keyboard. 

After staring at many reviews, watching videos, and even building a spreadsheet to compare options, a KUL ES-87 with green switches is on its way from mechanicalkeyboards.com.    A set of the Originative GMK Dolch keycaps from massdrop is also coming. 

Once I get a handle on the green switches for my work system, clears still sound good for a gaming system at home. 


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Re: Buckling springs to Cherry MX TKL for work
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 13 September 2015, 04:43:20 »
Greens are great :)

GMK keycaps are great :)

You have made some good choices!
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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