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SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:37:15 »
Good news, team!

After a number of emails back and forth between myself and Melissa and some hard work done by the Signature Plastics engineers and toolmakers, we finally have semi-matte Row 4 Shift molds available for SA profile!

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Melissa is trying to schedule running both Shifts for all previous fully sculpted SA sets (PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Retro SA, Jukebox, Carbon, etc.) and they will be made available in the PMK store when they're done.

This also means that current set designers can now include semi-matte Row 4 Shifts in their designs.

The age of complete fully sculpted SA sets has come!

Now, designers.... Show us what you got! (It's time to get SHIFTy in here)

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:37:37 »
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:37:53 »
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:39:24 »
Wow, this is actually pretty great news. Thanks Oobly.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:42:08 »
This is great news, I'm really glad they finally got this sorted out. Will keep an eye on the PMK store so I can pick up some shifts for my sets!
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:44:44 »
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:46:56 »
1.75 Shifts were not concerned by this right?

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:48:32 »
Great news! Thanks for the work Oobly! I am going to have to grab new shifts for SA Retro, Jukebox, and Hack'd now!
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:48:54 »
Now I can finally stop my sculpted-SA strike!  :thumb:

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:50:10 »
Wait, so now that we're done whining about getting R4 shifts, we can start whining about the running the machines in 3 shifts...?

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:50:56 »
Will the prices be inflated to pay for the molds?

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:51:56 »
Great news! Thanks for the work Oobly! I am going to have to grab new shifts for SA Retro, Jukebox, and Hack'd now!

Are the Jukebox shifts Row 4? Or is that entire row, Row 4 EXCEPT the shifts?
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:53:58 »
Great news! Thanks for the work Oobly! I am going to have to grab new shifts for SA Retro, Jukebox, and Hack'd now!

Are the Jukebox shifts Row 4? Or is that entire row, Row 4 EXCEPT the shifts?
Everything in the row is row 4, other than shifts which are row 3.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:57:12 »

Everything in the row is row 4, other than shifts which are row 3.

Thanks.  :thumb:
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 09:02:59 »
Will the prices be inflated to pay for the molds?

I have no visibility yet on the pricing of these, but I would say they'll be priced very fairly (and sold as pairs most likely), otherwise they will not sell very well... AFAIK, this will not need to be paid for at all by the community (well, technically it already has been, through all the keycaps we've bought from them).
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:18:33 »
Excellent news and great work Oobly - Thanks :)

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:22:45 »
Woooo! Awesome news. I'll be ordering a R4 Jukebox shift as soon as they are available.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:25:41 »
This is great to hear! Thanks so much for the update Oobly!

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:45:40 »
Is this for the standard shift sizes, or will it accommodate some of the less frequently seen, like shift/fn split?
  
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 10:51:31 »
A little disappointed we have to pay for them but I'm happy the option is finally available. Hopefully they won't be extravagantly priced!

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:25:30 »
Nice! thank you Oobly  :D

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:29:09 »
Good news, team!

After a number of emails back and forth between myself and Melissa and some hard work done by the Signature Plastics engineers and toolmakers, we finally have semi-matte Row 4 Shift molds available for SA profile!

(Attachment Link)

Melissa is trying to schedule running both Shifts for all previous fully sculpted SA sets (PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Retro SA, Jukebox, Carbon, etc.) and they will be made available in the PMK store when they're done.

This also means that current set designers can now include semi-matte Row 4 Shifts in their designs.

The age of complete fully sculpted SA sets has come!

Now, designers.... Show us what you got! (It's time to get SHIFTy in here)

Best Regards,
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P.S. - yes, I know I'm mixing my references, but I'm too excited to care.

Is this only for 2.25 and 2.75 Shift keys or are the 1.75 and 1.25 Shift keys also available with this mold?

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:41:45 »


Row 4 1.25 and 1.75 caps already exist in SA profile.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:51:58 »


Row 4 1.25 and 1.75 caps already exist in SA profile.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:54:01 »
Good news, team!

After a number of emails back and forth between myself and Melissa and some hard work done by the Signature Plastics engineers and toolmakers, we finally have semi-matte Row 4 Shift molds available for SA profile!

(Attachment Link)

Melissa is trying to schedule running both Shifts for all previous fully sculpted SA sets (PuLSE SA, Hack'd by Geeks, Retro SA, Jukebox, Carbon, etc.) and they will be made available in the PMK store when they're done.

This also means that current set designers can now include semi-matte Row 4 Shifts in their designs.

The age of complete fully sculpted SA sets has come!

Now, designers.... Show us what you got! (It's time to get SHIFTy in here)

Best Regards,
Oobly

P.S. - yes, I know I'm mixing my references, but I'm too excited to care.

Is this only for 2.25 and 2.75 Shift keys or are the 1.75 and 1.25 Shift keys also available with this mold?

Is this for the standard shift sizes, or will it accommodate some of the less frequently seen, like shift/fn split?

1.25u and 1.75u semi-matte Row 4 caps have been available already for a long time (since Penumbra or before), so now they're all available. Most of the previously run "full contour" SA GB's with those size caps have had them made in Row 4 already, such as Retro SA. For those that had them in Row 3 I suggest the designers get in touch with Melissa to request those sizes be made also so they can be together in kits per set design.

I know I'm going to be buying a lot of these caps since I own... ALL the full contour SA sets except R5 Honeywell I think. They may only get made next year sometime, though, since the SA tooling is in full production until then with all the latest sets that have run on Massdrop.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:56:21 »
Time for some SA Dolch!!!


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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:07:03 »
Amazing news! Hopefully R5 can be augmented to have these from a later GB or something. Of course for some of the colors there will be sets that complement them eventually anyway.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:13:00 »
This is terrific news. Now we just gotta convince SP to use the corrected SHIFT legends...

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:20:51 »
Very happy.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:36:20 »
Ah, just what my SA Retro needs to be complete

Awesome work on the community's part pushing this and SP for the follow through  :thumb:

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:33:48 »
Well got already response from Melissa. Carbon will get row 3 shifts first. Later they will be purchacable either on MassDrop or PMK. Asked also for some Carbon pictures. Hope i got some tommorow.

But its not that important right now... Because we got the long awaited row 4 shift bros! JOY!!!! FINALLY!!!

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:35:08 »
is there a sticky that details the SA profile or what it does/is used for?

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:39:07 »
Well got already response from Melissa. Carbon will get row 3 shifts first. Later they will be purchacable either on MassDrop or PMK. Asked also for some Carbon pictures. Hope i got some tommorow.

But its not that important right now... Because we got the long awaited row 4 shift bros! JOY!!!! FINALLY!!!

That is awesome to hear! It was the first thing I was wondering as soon as I saw the news.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:40:11 »
is there a sticky that details the SA profile or what it does/is used for?

I'm not sure but a quick Google search yields some decent information (;

It doesn't really "do" anything. It's just a different keycap profile preference which is taller than what you are most likely used to.

See here for a breakdown of different profiles + detailed PDFs: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php

Near the bottom of this guide is a good explanation as well: https://www.keychatter.com/keycaps/

Search some pictures of SA profile keycaps vs. other profiles to get a better idea of how the difference looks on a real board.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:15:54 »
PENUMBRA round 2, its your time to shine baby ! ;)

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:42:05 »
As well as SA Dasher/Dancer!




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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 16:48:22 »
It may be time to try out some SA goodness; however, I am still worry about the wobbling of this super tall key caps.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:01:41 »
Awesome work Oobly, glad to see this finally come to light. With r4 shifts and the new Ctrl[Alt] website being up, sounds like Penumbra r2 is right around the corner. Can't wait to try out an SA set now. :thumb:
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:23:11 »
*Looks down at 1.25 row 3 shift on Hack'd, questions the sense in buying a replacement 2.25 that will never be used*

Still, this is awesome news for all you ANSI folk :)
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:30:50 »
i regret getting rid of my retro now.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:36:21 »
Sounds like it's shifty time today~

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 18:08:21 »

*Looks down at 1.25 row 3 shift on Hack'd, questions the sense in buying a replacement 2.25 that will never be used*

Still, this is awesome news for all you ANSI folk :)

The other thing going on in the SA Shift arena is that DT has gotten the "SHIF T" legend fixed to "SHIFT" It would be cool if they could do a whole shift pack with all 4 sizes: 1.25, 1.75, 2.25, and 2.75 so you could get maximum Shiftibility!

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 18:51:16 »
It remains to be seen whether or not SP is comfortable with using my corrected SHIFT legend vectors. Melissa was convinced it wouldn't work until I forced the issue and paid to have it tried on some samples of 2.75u DSA in Dolch GX gray. According to her it worked, and I should have the shift keys to prove it in my hands tomorrow, but who knows how they feel about using it for "official" PMK products. I am doing what I can to persuade her, so we'll see...

In any event, we know they'll offer 2.25u and 2.75u as a paired set. I see no reason why they couldn't offer 1.25u and 1.75u with the fixed legends as a separate set since the new PMK system doesn't put anything into production until enough pre-orders interest check votes surpass their threshold anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 19:17:38 »
Well then we just need to "persuade" them.

And by persuade I mean beg them in the name of kerning and good taste.

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:46:49 »
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 04 November 2015, 02:14:07 »
It remains to be seen whether or not SP is comfortable with using my corrected SHIFT legend vectors. Melissa was convinced it wouldn't work until I forced the issue and paid to have it tried on some samples of 2.75u DSA in Dolch GX gray. According to her it worked, and I should have the shift keys to prove it in my hands tomorrow, but who knows how they feel about using it for "official" PMK products. I am doing what I can to persuade her, so we'll see...

In any event, we know they'll offer 2.25u and 2.75u as a paired set. I see no reason why they couldn't offer 1.25u and 1.75u with the fixed legends as a separate set since the new PMK system doesn't put anything into production until enough pre-orders interest check votes surpass their threshold anyway.

That legend is only for 2.75 DSA. If you want the same legend cut for all the SA caps it will need to be paid for by us somehow, they already have "working" Gorton Modified Shift legends, so I don't see them doing this for free. Anyway, let's actually wait to see the results of your legend "fix". From what I can tell of the discussion at DT you haven't even received the sample cap yet.

If it really is acceptable to the general community (and considerably better than the "stock" Shift legend) and SP is willing to do it, then maybe we can get them to provide 4-packs of Shift caps. That way there don't have to be different size packs for different sets and it's justified by the legends being improved. That way even suicidal_orange will get Row 4 Shifts for his ISO board ;)

I'm willing to take on the task once we have some kind of concensus from the community on this.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 04 November 2015, 02:42:00 »
4-packs sound great except that most of us will only ever need half of the keycaps in them. I'd want to pair up with someone who needs 1.25u and 1.75u but not 2.25u and 2.75u so that both of us gets only what we need and aren't stuck with keycaps we don't.

As for the Dolch 2.75u experiment, you're right I don't have them yet. For all we know Melissa's definition of "worked" is different from ours and we'll all be disappointed (none more than me who paid handomely for the experiment). But I remain hopeful. We'll know soon.

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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 04 November 2015, 04:04:09 »
4-packs sound great except that most of us will only ever need half of the keycaps in them. I'd want to pair up with someone who needs 1.25u and 1.75u but not 2.25u and 2.75u so that both of us gets only what we need and aren't stuck with keycaps we don't.

As for the Dolch 2.75u experiment, you're right I don't have them yet. For all we know Melissa's definition of "worked" is different from ours and we'll all be disappointed (none more than me who paid handomely for the experiment). But I remain hopeful. We'll know soon.

Yes, I agree with you. They should sell ANSI as a pair (since almost all sets have an ANSI base kit even for those who have ISO kits and for resaile purposes it's best to have a full ANSI base), with the others being available as single caps. They have the original GB numbers so they could make matching numbers for these (actually probably good to make a few LESS than the totals due to some people not knowing about them which is inevitable unless emails go out to every buyer, and even then some will not bother to purchase them).

And just to clarify, these will not go through the PMK group buy system. They will not need an IC voting phase. They'll get made and then become available in the PMK store directly.

One thing I feel should be mentioned here. It seems SP is actually starting to pay proper attention to the community (when we can demonstrate concensus on a subject), even though they are not very active in the forums. If there is a real issue we want to address with them, it's best to have a discussion between stakeholders in that issue, reach some kind of concensus and then have a single contact person present it to SP. That's how we managed to get this done. I see a lot of complaining about various SP related issues and some people may even have sent an email to them about the issue, but SP has no visibilty of the community concensus. It's no good expecting them to know general feelings of the community through all the different threads we read here. It simply comes across as individuals whining, which it sometimes is. So if we want to get things done, we need to present a united front.

As a PMK/ SP sceptic with a bit of an "us vs them" attitude I can say that things do seem to be changing.. I'll post more about this in their subforum. I actually have hope now that the new PMK system could work, eventually.
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Re: SA profile Row 4 Shift molds - Ready
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 04 November 2015, 04:12:43 »
Is pmk going to makes these caps for done of the older sets?

I have some sa sets from a couple years ago.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 04 November 2015, 12:07:15 »
I think that is their goal, yes. To offer R4 Shift keys in color combinations matching popular sets from the past, but I don't know any of the particulars there.

As for corrected legends, this was Melissa's reply this morning when I suggested that SP use my vector definitions for all new Shift keys going forward:

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We are revising all of our SHIFT legends so that the T is closer to the F, so moving forward, anything that we are currently running or plan to run will have the adjusted SHIFT legend.

Make of that what you will.