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Offline leos

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Lot of cherry G80-3000 --german layout--
« on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 07:04:55 »
Seams this seller has about 150 peaces

http://computer.shop.ebay.de/Eingabe-und-Lesegerate-/3676/i.html?_catref=1&_fln=1&_ipg=&_ssn=veriskaten&_trksid=p3911.c0.m282

for those who love cherry switches a must "have"
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 07:50:00 »
You might want to update your post.  These are all G81s.
 
 
The listings are a little confusing, though.  The titles say G81, but the details (from what little I can read) talk about MX switches.  I bet these are G81s, though.


Offline Mnemonix

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 08:11:44 »
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The listings are a little confusing, though.

Yes, confusing due to excessive copy-and-paste.
It also says: "three types of actuation: linear, soft, or clicky." And further below: "actuation characteristics: depends on product, see table 'construction types'." :clap2:

He probably doesn't know what he is selling.

Details state that he will deliver one "MX-3000" and that they have MX switches.

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 08:24:19 »
Sounds like the next few weeks are going to be pretty rough for this seller.


Offline leos

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 08:30:07 »
Sie bieten auf eine gebrauchte Tastatur CHERRY MX 3000

Die wohl erfolgreichste Tastatur in Büro + Industrie

Sie ist EXTREM robust und hat eine schier endlose Lebensdauer.


Die Tastatur ist gebraucht und hat auch Gebrauchsspuren, da ich hiervon rund 150 Stück habe, werde ich diese vor dem Versand lediglich abwischen um kleinere Verschmutzungen zu entfernen.

Tasten sind alle vorhanden.


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Jep!!! Copy and Paste goes wrong.

Thats lot cherrys g80-3000 mx. I send this seller a mail to tel me the ModelNR (black/Brown/or Blue)
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Offline leos

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:11:15 »
ok thats come from Seller:

auf der rückseite stehen zwei angaben, my 3000 und
g81-3000LRNDE
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Offline leos

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:13:01 »
Quote from: itlnstln;133563
You might want to update your post.  These are all G81s.
 
 
The listings are a little confusing, though.  The titles say G81, but the details (from what little I can read) talk about MX switches.  I bet these are G81s, though.


You was right, many thanks
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:14:50 »
No problem.  I just didn't want to see you run into any trouble if those were your listings.


Offline leos

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:32:18 »
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No problem.  I just didn't want to see you run into any trouble if those were your listings.


I dont sell on ebay, to dangerous here in Germany for privat Person.
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Offline Mnemonix

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:35:28 »
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I dont sell on ebay, to dangerous here in Germany for privat Person.


Huh? I've not been hurt yet.

Offline leos

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 09:44:58 »
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Huh? I've not been hurt yet.


www.wortfilter.de

Over 30 sales / Year and you will be a dealer
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Offline Mnemonix

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 10:30:05 »
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www.wortfilter.de

Over 30 sales / Year and you will be a dealer


Hm, I cannot find that limit stated anywhere. I would think a private person is treated as a company when he makes a certain amount of money from his sales, but not by the number of deals--especially when it is obvious that the items sold are from the person's private property. But you are welcome to prove me wrong! :)

Selling 150 keyboards, however, even if used, seems commercial to me. The seller might not agree upon this, but I'd say he bought these keyboards with the intention to sell them afterwards, and thus to make profit. Yet, he sells on private and that, combined with a misguiding description, may well put him into some trouble.

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 10:41:41 »
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www.wortfilter.de

Over 30 sales / Year and you will be a dealer

That doesn't apply to collectors.

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Offline leos

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 12:50:36 »
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Hm, I cannot find that limit stated anywhere. I would think a private person is treated as a company when he makes a certain amount of money from his sales, but not by the number of deals--especially when it is obvious that the items sold are from the person's private property. But you are welcome to prove me wrong! :)

Selling 150 keyboards, however, even if used, seems commercial to me. The seller might not agree upon this, but I'd say he bought these keyboards with the intention to sell them afterwards, and thus to make profit. Yet, he sells on private and that, combined with a misguiding description, may well put him into some trouble.


google helps you

http://www.wortfilter.de/News/news3423.html
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 13:03:02 »
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That doesn't apply to collectors.


Yes but Big Brother Watching you

http://wortfilter.de/News/news3454.html
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Offline Mnemonix

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 14:52:29 »
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http://www.wortfilter.de/News/news3423.html

This is a link to a statement of a single person that expresses his opinions. He is basically citing court decisions that many other sites are citing, too, and he probably didn't read his sources (just like all the other sites I've found: the same phrases are repeated everywhere). The judgments that I could find on the net (or parts thereof) stated that the persons concerned sold in high volumes during a short period of time (making them look like a secondhand dealer, understandably), lots of new goods, or counterfeits.

For instance, the often-cited statement "25 feedbacks within 2 months make you a commercial seller" does not tell the whole story (your link lists that one, too): that person has sold new, original CDs for BMW navigation systems via eBay, but did so as a private person (see here). Because he did not sell a single, but many copies, he was not considered a private seller anymore. A competitor got pissed and dragged him into court. I think that's OK.

Other sellers used brand names to sell their stuff not directly related to the brands and got into trouble for this. It's really lame that some companies get pissed because of such a voidness, but our stupid laws allow them to. This means you should probably take care to describe your stuff accurately and you should not compare it carelessly with similar goods of other brands.

So, from what I've found out now, selling your private stuff does not impose any risk unless you are using brand names unrelatedly or become a "powerseller".

The Big Brother thing is a different story, of course... Not so cool. :(
But does eBay really give all data to the tax office per se, or is it just the tax office that observes activities on eBay? I mean, everybody could start collecting lots of data by just observing sales on eBay, no?

Offline leos

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 16:45:31 »
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This is a link to a statement of a single person that expresses his opinions. He is basically citing court decisions that many other sites are citing, too, and he probably didn't read his sources (just like all the other sites I've found: the same phrases are repeated everywhere). The judgments that I could find on the net (or parts thereof) stated that the persons concerned sold in high volumes during a short period of time (making them look like a secondhand dealer, understandably), lots of new goods, or counterfeits.

For instance, the often-cited statement "25 feedbacks within 2 months make you a commercial seller" does not tell the whole story (your link lists that one, too): that person has sold new, original CDs for BMW navigation systems via eBay, but did so as a private person (see here). Because he did not sell a single, but many copies, he was not considered a private seller anymore. A competitor got pissed and dragged him into court. I think that's OK.

Other sellers used brand names to sell their stuff not directly related to the brands and got into trouble for this. It's really lame that some companies get pissed because of such a voidness, but our stupid laws allow them to. This means you should probably take care to describe your stuff accurately and you should not compare it carelessly with similar goods of other brands.

yes you are right, this was a statement of a single person


Quote from: Mnemonix;133778
So, from what I've found out now, selling your private stuff does not impose any risk unless you are using brand names unrelatedly or become a "powerseller".

the german law is very fluent, it comes on suspicion.This is a lawyer/advocate statement>>>>
http://www.internetrecht-rostock.de/unternehmer-ebay.htm
Read the whole article.

Quote from: Mnemonix;133778
The Big Brother thing is a different story, of course... Not so cool. :(
But does eBay really give all data to the tax office per se, or is it just the tax office that observes activities on eBay? I mean, everybody could start collecting lots of data by just observing sales on eBay, no?

Not everybody can this. Ebay gives the API with more options and the tax office observes all activities on eBay, just want to say this also.


No flame war please, it is just my Opinion
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Offline Mnemonix

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 18 November 2009, 18:15:59 »
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the german law is very fluent, it comes on suspicion.This is a lawyer/advocate statement>>>>
http://www.internetrecht-rostock.de/unternehmer-ebay.htm
Read the whole article.


Done. Not a lot of news here, though. The section at the end pretty much sums up what I said: don't sell new things, and not too much within a short period of time if you want to keep your status as a private person.

The guy behind the previous link probably copied his favorite cited cases from this article, with all those case descriptions matching nearly word by word. :) This article, however, also fails to mention some details from the judgment texts that seem to make them less relevant for the average private seller. I don't say those lawyers are scams, but I think their site is producing FUD to some degree.

The problem is that our law treats each and every case individually--regardless whether or not exactly the same case has been treated before--leading to lots of uncertainties, especially when the wording of the law is unclear or simply absent. A judgment doesn't introduce a new law here, so when "new" concepts such as online auctions are involved, there is basically no law that can be applied directly until a new one gets written down that addresses the new circumstances. Therefore, the outcome of a trial depends a lot on the judges in the meantime.

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No flame war please, it is just my Opinion


Well, this is a discussion about flawed German law in a US forum for computer keyboards. Odd enough if you ask me. :wink: