Outlook Express in Windows 7?

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I have been trying to get Outlook Express on Windows 7 for some time now, and I just can't find it anywhere.  Anyone know how or where I can get it?

and just to make note of this, there is a typo in the title.  Think you guys can figure that out though...

[itlnstln]

I think it's called Microsoft Mail in Vista and 7 (I know it's not Outlook Express anymore).  I haven't used it in a long time as I use Gmail now for personal stuff and full-blown Outlook for work.

[ch_123]

Wow, I forgot about the days where people didn't use POP3... Mozilla Thunderbird is your friend.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I was able to find a suitable program. Windows Live Mail.  Works just about the same as Outlook.

[Hofy]

As you have found out Windows Live Mail is the Outlook Express for 7.
I is not included in any version of 7. It is a separate free download.

I thing the reason behind this is that so many people use online email now.  I know I have for atleast 3 years now.

[microsoft windows]

If you've got an old Office disk, you can use Outlook. I've got the very original version on my machines, Outlook '97.

[ch_123]

Use software that actually works...

[MFGorilla]

+1 for Mozilla Thunderbird.  The calendar plugin works pretty well, too.

[PRISONER 24601]

Thunderbird is really nice, but i like outlook.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Thunderbird is really nice, but i like outlook.

Me too, I might try Outlook 2000 sometime if I can get my hands on an Office 2000 disk.

[microsoft windows]

I can send you a copy of Outlook '97.

[ch_123]

What exactly does Outlook do that the web client of something like Gmail can't? Other than add superfluous amount of bloat and complexity to what should be a simple process...

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

The reason I use it is because that way you don't have to wait for the stupid webpages to load, and you won't have to type in both your username and password, you only need to type your password.

[bigpook]

ditto on tbird. I use the lightning addin to sync with my google calendar too. It works very well.

[ch_123]

The reason I use it is because that way you don't have to wait for the stupid webpages to load, and you won't have to type in both your username and password, you only need to type your password.

Gmail lets you save your login name so that you don't have to type it every time you use it. If you have a halfway decent browser, you can save your password as well. Sure it takes a second or two to load, but it's not as if Outlook can start up and download your emails instantaneously either...

They both suck. From a usability point of view, gmail is truly horrendous.

Do you mean that it's overcomplicated, or that it doesn't do what you need it to do?

[microsoft windows]

I like to use Gmail. It gets the job done fine for me.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Outlook Express in Vista was renamed Windows Mail, and I would presume it's still there in 7, but I'd have to check. Windows Live Mail feels like a rehash of the same tired old components with a revised front end.

I've been using Thunderbird for a few years. It's always lagged far behind Firefox for reliability, but I do like the UI and I feel pretty settled, for better or for worse (I've just about got over losing Mac Outlook Express 5 to the ravages of time, which was a very nice graphical mailer). Everyone and their dog tried to persuade me to go Gmail, but I was perfectly settled on the e-mail address that goes with my domain and had absolutely no desire to change!

Has anyone seen another program that changes the icons more frequently to pretend that the program has been revised, than Thunderbird?

At least it's extensible, which is fundamentally one of the most important things to look for in any medium-sized program up. Of course, here, I mean extensible as in, I can get an Outlook-style Outbox behaviour (just send and disappear dammit!) by installing three (not including Nightly Tester Tools) add-ons and munging together behavioural change!

[elservo]

Thunderbird has never liked sending emails to multiple contacts, at least in my experience.  Progress bar just hangs forever.  

I like Windows Mail a lot in Vista and 7.  It never gives me trouble.

[HaaTa]

Go mutt, go!



Well I used to use mutt, but using GMail again as its handy with my HTC Magic. And html emails are a *****...


I had loads of trouble using ThunderBird with Scalex. I mean please, let me write a damn email while your sending it. Eventually used Opera's mail client so not to go insane from using the web one.

Oh, and Outlook (my office is cheap so its a bit old, 2003 SP3), will freeze if the exchange server decides to crash (common occurrence), and prevents me from finishing up the email I'm working on. Who's the retard who designed that?

[whininggit]

Outlook 2007 really sucked when released - I could repro PST 'corruption' regularly (it wasn't actually corrupt, but often wasn't closed properly and would go through the motions of checking frequently - and checking PST files really hammers the disk, might as well go and make a coffee and drink it too). They didn't fix this until a pre-SP2 hotfix which was then included in Office 2007 SP2.

I never had any such problems with Outlook 2003, although it can be frustrating if the connection to the Exchange server is lost.

It's nice to have Outlook on my main PC but for the others I use a more lightweight client, or use the Yahoo Mail web interface. I started out with Outlook Express and used that until I discovered Thunderbird (back at version 0.8 or 0.9), which gets the job done nicely. On my laptop I just use Opera for everything - that machine is so dog slow, it's quicker to just have one app to load.

[In Stereo!]

I had to recover broken Outlook and Outlook Expres mail files so many times, that I'm always in doubt if everything will work on the next startup of the client. Outlook has an espesialy dumb way of saving the files -- one file for an entire mail folder?! Designed by DRUNK ****ING MONKEYS. The most of unsavvy computer users do not ever order their mail by different folders or archive old stuff (==sci-fi), therefore it is inevitable, that everything will all go to hell in a few years of constant use.

Although I must say that I prefer the Outlook 2007 GUI and functionality to any other client (Web based or not) I ever tryed. But a random Web mail provider proves itself incredibly more reliable.

[kishy]

Maybe I'm of the wrong generation or something, but I've found mail clients are a clunky, messy, error-prone and overall unnecessarily complicated method of getting your email.

Gmail's interface is the best...the BEST...ever. However, even on my 512kbit/s connection, it does display issues (for example still transmitting data when I hit sign out after checking for new messages)...you should NOT need an extremely high speed connection to check your email.

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Granted, this has never been as true of Windows as Mac OS, but a desktop GUI tends to have a lot of rules. You have various type of buttons, sliders, bars, lists, tabs, and very well-defined behaviour for every single one.

Web-based applications have never afforded such confidence. If I change "tab" with the current Web page, will it use JavaScript to hide the current "tab", or just load a new tab URL and lose everything on the current one? Does this element on the page implement right click? Am I supposed to be able to drag this or not, and can I just throw random objects from Explorer/Finder at it? Keyboard navigation is just generally awful. That's what we're all here for, no? ;-)

Gmail isn't bad, but its insistence of staying in a single page with no dialogs or manager windows leads to a rather confused and odd interface, and they keep trying to be too clever with strange little widgets that don't behave in any logical manner.

I always found Mac Outlook Express to be the best graphical mailer -- drag and drop implemented to perfection, scriptable with event handlers right down to altering low-level message details, dynamically colours quoted text in the reply window as you add and remove '>'s, rewrap etc. Lists the sizes of attachments. Didn't need to re-Base64 the entire message on every draft save. The program couldn't have been more Mac like if they tried.

IMAP was a bit iffy though which would put me off now.

The Web is just too ad hoc for me and screaming out for some sort of standard widget toolkit where sites all behave predictably and remember that the middle button on the mouse exists for a reason. And that the keyboard does more than enter text :-)

[ricercar]

Gmail's interface is the best...the BEST...ever.

Gmail's interface sucks worse than a black hole; it's consistent with neither a cloud app nor a desktop app. It's not even consistent with itself. There's no rhyme or reason.

Now I understand Kishy better than ever. He thinks like Gmail!

[kishy]

Gmail's interface sucks worse than a black hole; it's consistent with neither a cloud app nor a desktop app. It's not even consistent with itself. There's no rhyme or reason.

Now I understand Kishy better than ever. He thinks like Gmail!

Something like that, yeah.

I do generally have rhyme, reason or consistency - if only 1/3 at any one point - however.

[microsoft windows]

I use Gmail too. It's interface is good enough for me.