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Offline henkdevries013

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Hello from Holland!
« on: Sat, 07 May 2016, 07:06:17 »
Hi, my name is HenkDeVries013 and I'm 22 years old.

Other than being a clacker, I'm also a tropical aquarium enthousiast! :)

I usually browse /r/MechanicalKeyboards but that does not satisfy my needs anymore, I want to get more involved in this community!

My first mech was a Orion Spark G910 from Logitech... It was awful. Bought my Pok3r w/ Mx Blues around a year ago and since then I fell in love with mechanical keyboards. A few weeks ago I received my Novatouch in the mail and I love it so far.

Together with my Novatouch I ordered a keyset for my Pok3r. (Blank Classic Beige from Originative) And now I only need a keyset for my Novatouch, probably a SA keyset.

Been looking around for a Planck kit, although I can't really solder so that will get interesting.  :))
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Offline khirin

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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 07 May 2016, 09:15:52 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

Very soon you will have dozens of keyboards and keycap sets and then, you will be doing soldering jobs.  :D

Why G910 is awful?  Perhaps you like clicky switches more than tactile ones, but you also love the Novatouch which is almost linear.
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Offline henkdevries013

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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 07 May 2016, 10:05:49 »
Quote from: khirin on Sat, 07 May 2016, 09:15:52
Welcome to Geekhack!

Very soon you will have dozens of keyboards and keycap sets and then, you will be doing soldering jobs.  :D

Why G910 is awful?  Perhaps you like clicky switches more than tactile ones, but you also love the Novatouch which is almost linear.
Yeah the G910 had like 0 feedback and felt more like a rubberdome to me. I also didn't like the way the keys felt. I love the clickyness bump of the Mx blues but the people around me don't like the sound.

The tactile bump on the Novatouch is good enough for me, don't really have the feeling they are almost linear. Still want to try some Browns en Clears though...
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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:01:57 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

A good place to start reading about soldering is the (in)famous soldering thread.

A good place to start practicing soldering is to find an old broken electronics device (flatscreen TV/monitor, DVD player etc.) and desolder and resolder the components on it.  Won't matter if you break anything as it is broken already, and the soldering experience will be invaluable.  Once you get the hang of it, it becomes more or less routine.

Many find that SA keysets work best on heavier switches.  As the Novatouch has 45g Topre domes you might find most SA sets a bit too heavy, but some people say SA is find on MX red, which is also 45g.
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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:10:42 »
A bit too heavy as in what sense? As in, the keys bottom out really easy?
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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:12:13 »
Quote from: henkdevries013 on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:10:42
A bit too heavy as in what sense? As in, the keys bottom out really easy?

As in there is a lot of plastic in the SA keycaps, and they reduce the amount of force required to press the switches, making the switches feel lighter.  45g is already pretty light for a switch (Topre or MX), and adding 5g of keycap (or whatever) on top reduces the effective switch weight by that amount.
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Offline henkdevries013

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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:56:01 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:12:13
As in there is a lot of plastic in the SA keycaps, and they reduce the amount of force required to press the switches, making the switches feel lighter.  45g is already pretty light for a switch (Topre or MX), and adding 5g of keycap (or whatever) on top reduces the effective switch weight by that amount.
Thanks for the heads up! Was also looking for the DSA Royal Navy on Mechsupply, maybe that's the better choice for me then. :)
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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 06:14:05 »
Quote from: henkdevries013 on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:56:01
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:12:13
As in there is a lot of plastic in the SA keycaps, and they reduce the amount of force required to press the switches, making the switches feel lighter.  45g is already pretty light for a switch (Topre or MX), and adding 5g of keycap (or whatever) on top reduces the effective switch weight by that amount.
Thanks for the heads up! Was also looking for the DSA Royal Navy on Mechsupply, maybe that's the better choice for me then. :)

DSA keycaps are very light.

Actually I bought the Hack'd by Geeks set, and although there's a few extra keycaps in the set, the amount of plastic and the weight is incredible!  Those are sculpted SA keycaps, where the number row are incredibly thick!

DSA on the other hand are all uniform profile, and not very high, so the keycaps are not that heavy.
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Offline henkdevries013

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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 08 May 2016, 08:32:07 »
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 08 May 2016, 06:14:05
Quote from: henkdevries013 on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:56:01
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:12:13
As in there is a lot of plastic in the SA keycaps, and they reduce the amount of force required to press the switches, making the switches feel lighter.  45g is already pretty light for a switch (Topre or MX), and adding 5g of keycap (or whatever) on top reduces the effective switch weight by that amount.
Thanks for the heads up! Was also looking for the DSA Royal Navy on Mechsupply, maybe that's the better choice for me then. :)

DSA keycaps are very light.

Actually I bought the Hack'd by Geeks set, and although there's a few extra keycaps in the set, the amount of plastic and the weight is incredible!  Those are sculpted SA keycaps, where the number row are incredibly thick!

DSA on the other hand are all uniform profile, and not very high, so the keycaps are not that heavy.

I just love the SA profile form factor! Especially with the Troubled Minds colorscheme. Still have my pok3r to put them on.  ;D
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Offline DeTommie

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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 09 May 2016, 04:18:44 »
Quote from: henkdevries013 on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:56:01
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 08 May 2016, 04:12:13
As in there is a lot of plastic in the SA keycaps, and they reduce the amount of force required to press the switches, making the switches feel lighter.  45g is already pretty light for a switch (Topre or MX), and adding 5g of keycap (or whatever) on top reduces the effective switch weight by that amount.
Thanks for the heads up! Was also looking for the DSA Royal Navy on Mechsupply, maybe that's the better choice for me then. :)

Hallo Henk,

A fellow Dutchie here. Please let me know when you're going to order from mechsupply. I want to join in. That's a nice set!
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Re: Hello from Holland!
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 09 May 2016, 12:53:50 »
Welcome aboard I do a lot of soldering and once you learn how to do it right and with a good iron it's really easy. It does get more complicated for SMD/SMT components but there are different techniques for those types of components. Through-hold and DIP packages are really quite easy to solder. The EEVBlog has a great TUT (part 1)
Part 2:

That's where I learned how to solder correctly after doing it wrong for a very long time.

Here is my latest planck:
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