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Offline miya

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Varmilo Feedback Thread
« on: Tue, 31 May 2016, 02:24:02 »
Hi guys. please feel free to post any feedback or suggestions here.  :thumb:

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 31 May 2016, 10:24:42 »
Suggestion: DIP switches on the VA108 to turn on/off NKRO emulation.

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 31 May 2016, 16:09:16 »
ISO layout please?

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 01 June 2016, 22:46:21 »
Suggestion: DIP switches on the VA108 to turn on/off NKRO emulation.

Cool, very happy to hear from you :thumb:

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 01 June 2016, 22:49:16 »
ISO layout please?

ISO layout is in the plan. Hope you will like it. ;D

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 04 June 2016, 07:29:07 »
Suggestion : media controls should be moved to FN+Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn . This way it's more comfortable to use. FN+F7->F12 is very hard to reach.

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 04 June 2016, 07:51:16 »
You know I want this :) winkeyless layout :D

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 06 June 2016, 00:15:59 »
Suggestion : media controls should be moved to FN+Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn . This way it's more comfortable to use. FN+F7->F12 is very hard to reach.

Nice idea :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 06 June 2016, 00:16:47 »
You know I want this :) winkeyless layout :D

I know ;Dhaha

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 27 June 2016, 11:11:28 »
Hello, I'm from Spain and recently I've bought a Varmilo VA87MN keyboard through Massdrop. I want to give some feedback after some weeks of use so I've made a review/feedback post. I hope you find it useful.

A few pics


Hardware - Case

The case is really beautiful. Floating keys and low profile give the keyboard a thin and modern look, compared to the classic bulkyness of other TKL cases. It is also minimalist, without decorations or weird shapes. Beautiful and timeless. I don't see much room for improvement in the looks department. Maybe adding more color choices and/or an aluminum case option would be nice.

The cable routing options are fine, but I really don't need the ones on the side. I would have preferred them in the back too, on both sides. But hey, more options is always a good thing.
 
 
Hardware - Switches
 
Gateron browns are nicer than expected, they are really smooth. Being able to choose Cherry MX or Gateron switches is a great plus.
 
Switch orientation (LED on south) is different from what I was used to, and raises some observations.
- Keys on this orientation feel a bit more wobbly when you push them forwards (not down), compared to the inverted switches (LED on north) I've used on other keyboards. This is a bit more noticeable with Gateron switches.
- Tactile switches, specially MX Brown and Gateron Brown, feel a bit different on south orientation compared to north. Maybe the bump is more noticeable? It's hard to say, but the difference is there.
- LED on south orientation limits the choice of backlit aftermarket keycaps.
- The normal switch orientation of the Varmilo keyboard has it's advantages too. It allows correct lighting of front printed keycaps (which some may prefer) and also allows the little window on Lock keys to shine, which, by the way, looks very nice too.
 
Stabilizers are great. I have other boards with cherry stabs that are very inconsistent, ranging from OK to terrible inside the same board (for example my Ducky Shine 5), but the stabs on the Varmilo are (all of them) almost perfect. This makes a huge difference, big keys feel much better and they give a high quality impression.
 

Hardware - Keycaps
 
Great quality keycaps, love the thick PBT. And the cherry profile. And the texture. Dye sub quality is very nice too, characters are very defined without bleed.
Such quality keycaps is not something you see on most stock keyboards. Most brands use thinner ABS keycaps, from smooth laser etched backlit keycaps (Corsair, Coolermaster, Ducky etc.) to the newest doubleshot grainy backlit keycaps (Vortex RGB, Ducky etc.).
Varmilo keycaps, while not backlit, make the keyboard sound better, feel better. And they last longer. In the end, they make the keyboard feel more "premium".
 
Not everything is perfect though. Some keycaps have the legend a bit misaligned or slightly distorted/incomplete (see image). This is something easily visible and Varmilo should be a bit more meticulous about these errors.
 
I like the symbols used on the keycaps (arrows on shift, enter, backspace, tab, etc) and how they are placed, but I still don't like the font being italic.
 
The shiny dome on the Windows keys is kinda ugly. It screams Windows Vista, and that is not a good thing. I think Varmilo should get rid of it. They should also update the Windows logo to the latest Win8/10 version (I think they've already updated the symbol on the newest batches).
 

Functionality - Keys
 
Media keys is a must have nowadays, but the location (F7-F12) is not very good because they aren't easy to reach.
Mute (Del), Vol- (End), Vol+ (Pg Down), Play/Pause (Ins), Prev Track (Home), Next Track (Pg Up) are a better choice and easier to reach.
This also has an advantage: It frees all the F keys, so Varmilo could add on the future a way to manually program them with macros (For example Fn+F12=Calc, Fn+F11=Explorer, Fn+F10=Mail, etc) or extra functions (repeat rate, delay rate, etc).

There is other problem I've found with the media keys. If I keep pressed a volume combination (Vol+, Vol-) it only sends a signal once. You have to press fn+f8/f9 repeatedly to raise/lower the volume more than 1 tick.
 
The ability to change caps lock and ctrl, Win key locks, and move Fn to the left side is very nice too. I dont't use them personally, but I know many people find this very useful. And I'm sure they could offer more insight on this than me.
If something, It would be very nice if you were to include two more keycaps for the alternate placement of ctrl and caps lock.
 

Functionality - LED Lighting
 
The LED lighting modes are nice, and the brightness adjustment is very intuitive. But a few more modes would be great, specially a reactive mode (light&fade the pressed key) and a customizable mode.

RGB LEDs would also be nice, but is not a must. As a matter of fact, the Varmilo has replaced a Ducky Shine 5 as my main keyboard :)




« Last Edit: Mon, 27 June 2016, 19:30:48 by Endeavour1934 »

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 00:30:55 »
Thanks for your feedback :thumb:

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 28 June 2016, 00:44:57 »


I have my cherry green Varmilo VA87M for nearly two years now. Despite having 5-6 keyboards, this till one of my daily driver. Very solid build quality, and comes with high quality pbt key caps as well. No comment on the layout since its standard tkl wk. i got a aluminum case for it on MD and a granite set, i tried all profiles of caps on it but finally i find dsa profile suits me best on this low profile keyboard.
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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 04:42:02 »
Show Image


I have my cherry green Varmilo VA87M for nearly two years now. Despite having 5-6 keyboards, this till one of my daily driver. Very solid build quality, and comes with high quality pbt key caps as well. No comment on the layout since its standard tkl wk. i got a aluminum case for it on MD and a granite set, i tried all profiles of caps on it but finally i find dsa profile suits me best on this low profile keyboard.

Looks pretty ;D

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 29 June 2016, 07:40:50 »
I've bought a few keyboards from you now Miya.

Top notch service and the quality of the product is fantastic. I have no complaints. (Well yes one. You said I would get the new logo on my latest keyboard but I got one with the comic sans font) - But in the grand scheme of things I am beyond impressed with your knowledge and commitment to excellence.

Miya: 5/5
Varmilo: 5/5

My only hope is that you will expand your switch options. If I could get a VA68M with Feelio's I would be beyond happy.

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 06 July 2016, 05:33:45 »
I've bought a few keyboards from you now Miya.

Top notch service and the quality of the product is fantastic. I have no complaints. (Well yes one. You said I would get the new logo on my latest keyboard but I got one with the comic sans font) - But in the grand scheme of things I am beyond impressed with your knowledge and commitment to excellence.

Miya: 5/5
Varmilo: 5/5

My only hope is that you will expand your switch options. If I could get a VA68M with Feelio's I would be beyond happy.

Oh, I'm very sorry to hear about that. :eek: We are updating our new logo now and might has some mistake in assembly process. Anyway, to express my apologies,I will give a discount for your order. Thank you for your 5 points feedback, and advice :thumb:

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 22 July 2016, 06:36:54 »
Wow. From final payment to first attempt of delivery 4 days.
Paid Sunday and would have got it yesterday if I was at home.
That is fantastic.

I love the board and I will order a 2nd one someday.

Miya: 5/5
Varmilo: 5/5

Best regards
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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 01:17:01 »
Have been enjoying my unit with MX clear so far. Hoping for Varmilo to add Zealios switches as an option in the future

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 24 August 2016, 21:57:08 »
Hello, friends! This is Cynthia, new contact from Varmilo, sorry to inform you Miya had left our company. Could anybody tell me how can I be the starter of Varmilo forum instead of Miya, I sent message to Geekheck team, but few days past, no one replies me. Any one can help me? :) :)

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 25 August 2016, 05:52:02 »
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On the Geekhack index page scroll to the bottom.  You can see a list of members currently logged in.

Those with blue or purple names are mods or admins - you can click their name and then send them a PM (personal message).

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 25 August 2016, 08:11:50 »
Hello, friends! This is Cynthia, new contact from Varmilo, sorry to inform you Miya had left our company. Could anybody tell me how can I be the starter of Varmilo forum instead of Miya, I sent message to Geekheck team, but few days past, no one replies me. Any one can help me? :) :)

Hi Cythina, PMd you.

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 09:49:45 »
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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 January 2017, 14:52:46 »
PLEASE use this thread only for your feedback on Varmilo as a vendor on GeekHack.  This thread is not for Varmilo product reviews nor product requests.  You can do those things in the Varmilo subforum:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=192.0  :thumb:
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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 23 March 2017, 13:02:35 »
Would looooove an RGB version of the VB87, and keep the south LED orientation, as I like windowed keycaps!  :thumb:

Also, maybe an aluminum case (offer in Silver and Charcoal Gray), but nonfloating keys for the VB87?

Replace USB mini with USB micro, located between the F12 and Prt Sc key.

Should also work in USB cabled mode.

That would be endgame territory for me.

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 06 May 2017, 09:48:12 »
Just thought I'd pop in my tuppence worth as an IT Professional and a published author writing a lot (current book before editing down is 330k words!).

I spent several hours reviewing and testing keyboards yesterday at The Keyboard Company (Filcos, DAS Keyboards, Realforce RGB, Cooler Master, Type Heaven, 105UB and Varmilo) and the choice came down to two for me: The Realforce 105UB ISO UK layout or the Varmilo VA69M Ice Blue.

The main points for me, in order of importance, were:

1) typing feel (speed, accuracy, tactility, fatigue)
2) build quality
3) factor (100/80/60%)
4) backlighting (dark room)
5) other things (macros, windows lock, etc etc)

I loved the clack, the PBT, the frame, essentially EVERYTHING about the UK version of this. The ice white keys and blue backlight are really nice as well. The ONLY thing that swung me to buy the much more drab, normal Realforce was the Topre switches, which were sublime. I loved the blues on the Varmilo but Topre are just better for me for pure typing.

Basically, if you had also offered this with Topre switches, I would never have bought another keyboard again. The Varmilo was pretty perfect for me in build quality, size, feel, keycap material and size, backlighting and extras for a bit of gaming (I use a keypad more) and a LOT of typing. But… Topre wins out over blues long term in feel. I'd probably buy both, to be honest.

The Realforce board is much more basic, but it was the switches. For a writer/author you just can't beat them.

So - would you consider a "writer's edition" of the ice blue with topre switches instead of blues? Because I'd buy that immediately and recommend it.

Some of the info on my site about this here:

http://christopherbramley.co.uk/writing-faqs/
« Last Edit: Sat, 06 May 2017, 09:50:51 by Chris_bramley »

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 07 May 2017, 22:01:39 »
Just thought I'd pop in my tuppence worth as an IT Professional and a published author writing a lot (current book before editing down is 330k words!).

I spent several hours reviewing and testing keyboards yesterday at The Keyboard Company (Filcos, DAS Keyboards, Realforce RGB, Cooler Master, Type Heaven, 105UB and Varmilo) and the choice came down to two for me: The Realforce 105UB ISO UK layout or the Varmilo VA69M Ice Blue.

The main points for me, in order of importance, were:

1) typing feel (speed, accuracy, tactility, fatigue)
2) build quality
3) factor (100/80/60%)
4) backlighting (dark room)
5) other things (macros, windows lock, etc etc)

I loved the clack, the PBT, the frame, essentially EVERYTHING about the UK version of this. The ice white keys and blue backlight are really nice as well. The ONLY thing that swung me to buy the much more drab, normal Realforce was the Topre switches, which were sublime. I loved the blues on the Varmilo but Topre are just better for me for pure typing.

Basically, if you had also offered this with Topre switches, I would never have bought another keyboard again. The Varmilo was pretty perfect for me in build quality, size, feel, keycap material and size, backlighting and extras for a bit of gaming (I use a keypad more) and a LOT of typing. ButÖ Topre wins out over blues long term in feel. I'd probably buy both, to be honest.

The Realforce board is much more basic, but it was the switches. For a writer/author you just can't beat them.

So - would you consider a "writer's edition" of the ice blue with topre switches instead of blues? Because I'd buy that immediately and recommend it.

Some of the info on my site about this here:

http://christopherbramley.co.uk/writing-faqs/

Also sounds like a bit of praise for The Keyboard Company.  I've been recommending them to UK and sometimes European people for a while - it is good to hear that they are receptive to people spending hours trying keyboards :)
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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 08 May 2017, 10:21:50 »
Indeed, TKC are really excellent people to do business with. I really cannot recommend them highly enough; they know their stuff, have keyboards to try, dedicate time and care, and are all round very nice people.

Oh, one more thing... Micro Usb, preferably slightly recessed. :)

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Re: Varmilo Feedback Thread
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 14 October 2017, 11:22:49 »
I registered here just to provide feedback on my Varmillo VA109M and my impression of it having used it for a couple of weeks. Things I've noticed:

Feels a (little!) bit plastic-y to the touch, yet has a reassuring weight to it. A little lighter than my Ducky Zero. Feels to have a reasonable build quality and sturdy frame. There is no suggestion of twist or flex when handling the keyboard and its heavy enough to not be easily disturbed.

I chose Cherry Browns. Nothing much to say here, I got what I expected. Only thing worth mentioning is that with PBT keycaps on the switches feel a little lighter than they do with ABS caps. This threw me a little until I figured out it's simply the heavier caps.

PBT keycaps print quality was nice and clear. The letters aren't transparent, however, so there's no illumination to them other than light shining under the keys. In a dark or dim environment this can make reading keys impossible as they become haloed. Further to this, the LEDs are positioned below the switches, not above. This gives a pretty bad effect of a "line of light" visible just under the front side of each key. For an (very poor quality, sorry) example image, see here: https://i.imgur.com/inkZ4sd.jpg

Sadly, mine has terrible pinging. Covers approx 50% of the board. My alpha keys mostly sound fine, but the space bar in particular and the numpad keys sound like I'm playing on a springboard. Some are louder than others, some only ring slightly, some don't ring at all but just sound smooth and firm. It gets noticeably worse when using the keyboard on a hard surface, or propped up on the legs. Sadly the ones that do make such a noise have distracted me to the point of returning the board to the vendor and asking for a refund. It's a shame because it's otherwise it's a very satisfying board.

Other notes:
 - Came in lovely packaging, with a very sturdy feel to it.
 - Five weeks from order to UK delivery - not bad but the France -> UK part took less than 20 hours once it was finally underway.
 - USB cable is detachable, slightly recessed, gold-plated and branded with the Varmillo logo. nice touch.
 - Wood effect is quite nice (doesn't look tacky) but it would be good to have a non-textured option.
 - Included additional keys for the Caps-, Scroll- and Num-Lock with clear windows on them to denote toggle status via the LED. Really liked this and swapped them out immediately.
 - The Windows (super) key does *not* have the raised circular bevel, thankfully. It is a regular, flat key akin to the ones on either side of it. I personally prefer this and had been a little worried it would be the other type.
« Last Edit: Sat, 14 October 2017, 21:02:39 by stom »