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Offline Carthik

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Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:32:17 »
I know that there are some regular layout Model Ms with thicker back-plates, but are there any SSKs that have them too?

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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:52:54 »
I know that there are some regular layout Model Ms with thicker back-plates, but are there any SSKs that have them too?
TBH I've never seen a PC/XT or PC/AT version of an SSK.  The earliest I've encountered is an 1987, and it seems pretty comparable with another one from 1992.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 17:55:47 »
I know that there are some regular layout Model Ms with thicker back-plates, but are there any SSKs that have them too?
TBH I've never seen a PC/XT or PC/AT version of an SSK.  The earliest I've encountered is an 1987, and it seems pretty comparable with another one from 1992.
my 87 m has a thick plate, so maybe the ssks from 87 have the same plate.

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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 18:00:43 »
Specify "thick." You mean the cobalt rainbow plate?

I'd be surprised if any had them, there aren't even any square badge SSKs that we know of. Although I'm not the <100% expert here xD .
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 07 July 2016, 18:07:49 »
Specify "thick." You mean the cobalt rainbow plate?

I'd be surprised if any had them, there aren't even any square badge SSKs that we know of. Although I'm not the <100% expert here xD .
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 05:33:24 »
I don't know how thick, but my IBM SSK is quite a bit heavier than my Lexmark SSK.

I measured them once, the post should be around here somewhere.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 06:58:52 »
It would be interesting to try to narrow down the date range for the switch-over to lighter plates. Apparently each plant ran their old stock out and went to the new ones at different times.

The only shiny yellow ones that I have had were 1985s, but I have had the heavy gray ones into 1987. But my pre-1989 sample range is under a dozen.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 07:35:17 »
It would be interesting to try to narrow down the date range for the switch-over to lighter plates. Apparently each plant ran their old stock out and went to the new ones at different times.

The only shiny yellow ones that I have had were 1985s, but I have had the heavy gray ones into 1987. But my pre-1989 sample range is under a dozen.
My '87 '1406 has the cobalt plate, but that was made in Greenock of course, not one of the US plants. I suspect it was one of the last ones made with it.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 07:47:34 »
It makes me think they just took leftover Model F plates and punched holes through them.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 07:50:17 »
It makes me think they just took leftover Model F plates and punched holes through them.
But none of the Model Fs are the same dimension as a Model M Oo .
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 08:37:31 »
It makes me think they just took leftover Model F plates and punched holes through them.
But none of the Model Fs are the same dimension as a Model M Oo .
But they did use the same sticker templates.  Five signature fields for five stages of assembly and QC, and the F had all five signed and M usually three.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 09:00:22 »
It makes me think they just took leftover Model F plates and punched holes through them.
But none of the Model Fs are the same dimension as a Model M Oo .
But they did use the same sticker templates.  Five signature fields for five stages of assembly and QC, and the F had all five signed and M usually three.

M usually had 4 signed, as the controller was not permanently attached as it was on the F's.

But that's not relevant to reuse of the backplates.  Completely different dimensions.
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Re: Did older Model M SSKs have thicker steel back plates?
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 08 July 2016, 09:07:28 »
It makes me think they just took leftover Model F plates and punched holes through them.

Doubt that, but whatever cleaning/tank/oven/coating equipment was used on the F plates behind the PCBs was probably used on the early Ms.
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