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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #200 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:06:16 »
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?

Dome swap to HHKBs mostly

Yeah, I've seen those and the FC660C the most. Haven't really seen any done on Realforces, but I'm sure they are out there.

Unless menuhin meant what is done with the leftover Sony board - in that case, usually nothing lol.

Because the most available bke units don't have enough switches to cover a Realforce.
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« Reply #201 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:57:25 »
Just got this HHKB and now you guys got me all hot and bothered with this. Hopefully everything is good and we can all get in on this.



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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #202 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 23:11:15 »


I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.

The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.

I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.


Does this mean you made separate molds for 55g domes and BKE domes? So they'll both be shipping at the same time? Or did the two projects get merged into one?

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #203 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:59:10 »
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #204 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:46:04 »
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #205 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:14:56 »
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.
Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?

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Haven't used them personally, but my understanding is that they are less than 55g (~45g) with a more tactile feel.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #206 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:26:45 »
Would love to get some 55g domes!

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #207 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 10:02:58 »
Looks good! Hopefully the moulds turn out well. Would be keen on getting a set of these domes.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #208 on: Thu, 14 September 2017, 04:49:49 »
definitely getting this!!

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #209 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:19:08 »
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #210 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:52:43 »
Aww yisssss!
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #211 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 22:50:12 »
Thoughts on weighting/tactility etc on the samples?

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #212 on: Sat, 16 September 2017, 12:21:34 »
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #213 on: Sat, 16 September 2017, 23:44:33 »
BKE Dome Samples Produced.

We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #214 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 12:30:44 »
This thread is slowly becoming a game changer.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #215 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 19:49:14 »
Definitely interested in this!

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #216 on: Fri, 22 September 2017, 03:55:00 »
Looking good!
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #217 on: Tue, 26 September 2017, 16:04:56 »
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.

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[IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #218 on: Tue, 26 September 2017, 17:41:41 »
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

It's not something that could be hand-wired the same way a cherry board can because each Topre switch isn't a modular part. Someone might be able to invent a modular Topre switch, kinda like the buckling spring switch that was up on kickstarter a while back, but it sounds like a complicated endeavor.

All that said, I would love for custom Topre boards to become a thing. It's just a very tall order.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #219 on: Tue, 26 September 2017, 18:33:54 »
tried bke domes for the first time recently.  Honestly they're too tactile.. too much of a collapsing feeling and not enough of a bump feeling.  But, certainly in for 55g domes for my hhkb. 
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #220 on: Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:28:36 »
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #221 on: Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:36:30 »
Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #222 on: Wed, 27 September 2017, 08:42:02 »
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?

I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.

Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre

Ah beat me to it  :p

Another interesting one: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html

But, I digress. Still very much interested in what reviewers think once they have their hands on them.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #223 on: Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:14:46 »
I'm so glad I didn't miss this. Was away from gh for a few months.

Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #224 on: Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:32:10 »
I'm so glad I didn't miss this. Was away from gh for a few months.

Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^

It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!

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« Reply #225 on: Fri, 29 September 2017, 20:57:14 »
It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!

Oh whaaaat? I was under the impression it was a major pain. Apparently not. Thank you so much!
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #226 on: Fri, 29 September 2017, 22:10:37 »
It's rather time consuming, but not actually difficult.  Just requires opening the case, unscrewing a ton of screws, swapping the domes and making sure they're placed correctly (there are grooves to help with this though), putting the springs into each dome (just a matter of dropping them in), then screwing in those ton of screws and sealing it up the case.

I think a lot of people just make it more difficult for themselves during the dome installation step by just putting the board on a flat surface, when you actually want to let all the sliders freely hang downward since the domes will drop in and align easily then.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #227 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:20:31 »
Review units have been sent out to people.

So far - people are really happy with them.

BKE:w

Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile

Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.

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- Very snappy
- Not heavy
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #228 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:51:52 »
so excited, what's next?

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #229 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:57:42 »
so excited, what's next?

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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.

It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.

We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.

I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself.  Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #230 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:00:06 »
so excited, what's next?

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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.

It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.

We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.

I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself.  Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
OMG, that's amazing! I was just lamenting how it's impossible to make a variable bke board, and you're making it possible. I'm thrilled!

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #231 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:27:42 »
I'm curious to see how BKE-Heavy w/ hyperspheres feels vs 55g w hyperspheres.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #232 on: Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:34:54 »
Love the consistency in the reviewers on weighting ;)

Super excited to grab some. Is this going to be a GB in any way, or it is it more like a storefront (hence the sampler packs)?
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #233 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 08:33:27 »
Review units have been sent out to people.

So far - people are really happy with them.

BKE:w

Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile

Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.

Reviewer 3:
- Very snappy
- Not heavy

ooOOOooOO  :eek:

Heavy AND super tactile ..
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #234 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 12:07:13 »
So we can start buying them in november and they'll also ship in november?
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #235 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:02:51 »
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
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« Reply #236 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:25:18 »
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
please do not call them that.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #237 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:34:00 »
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?

why not name them after the person who originated the mod?
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« Reply #238 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:37:31 »
VAIOmes
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #239 on: Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:40:37 »

VAIOmes

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Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.

What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?

why not name them after the person who originated the mod?

i'm not sure thats a good idea.

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #240 on: Wed, 04 October 2017, 21:54:14 »
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.



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[IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #241 on: Wed, 04 October 2017, 22:41:47 »
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.
I donít know if anyoneís done it but it surely should be compatible. The Novatouch has genuine Topre domes and PCBs so Iím pretty sure itíll work.

Edit: To answer the second part of your question, any mod that works on other Topre boards will work on the Novatouch. i.e. lubing, silencing rings, etc. Though obviously you wonít need to do a MX slider swap.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #242 on: Thu, 05 October 2017, 06:34:42 »
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.

best mod for any topre board is silencing, hopefully using silenced sliders, not rings.. although kbdfans rings are very thin.  Cheapest is lube. 
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #243 on: Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:18:49 »
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.

Totally already done before, by both me and by Gajible.

The best tinkering for it is definitely adding a Norbauer case. It makes the typing extremely stable and satisfying (Norbauer cases are no longer being sold as part of group buys, but without fail there's one on sale every month or so on r/mechmarket). The Novatouch is also pretty loud. If you'll open it up to swap domes, absolutely buy some kbdfans silence-x rings and do it all at the same time!

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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #244 on: Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:43:10 »
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #245 on: Thu, 05 October 2017, 09:06:45 »
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #246 on: Thu, 05 October 2017, 10:31:27 »
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.

I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D

Same here, but I don't think I'll be able to wait for the domes and case to both be ready, I'm going to do the mods as soon as I get them :P

Lubing the sliders helped quite a bit, I highly recommend doing so! Much more smooth, and a tad bit quieter.
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Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #247 on: Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:41:25 »
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
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Offline drevyek

  • Posts: 66
  • Location: Calgary, AB
Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #248 on: Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:51:57 »
Awesome!
What is availability like? The tester is only a good idea if there are still domes left to buy after you test them, and I have a feeling these will go quickly.

And the springs add 5-10g? Making the heavies close to 70g, and lights 60g?

Offline Evilocity

  • Posts: 43
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: [IC] Topre Dome Replacements
« Reply #249 on: Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:52:44 »
Big Update:

The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.

I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).

Pricing

Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66

My Personal Review

BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)

I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.

BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.

I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.

I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.

NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Wow good prices! ****ing hype!!!

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