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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #150 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 12:11:33 »
I vote for the light cycle on the right... bad ass!

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« Reply #151 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 12:54:39 »
I vote for the light cycle on the right... bad ass!
me too, It has a bit more edge to it :D

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #152 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 13:18:47 »
Yep, on a key it's the new one (on the right) 100%. Great job!

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« Reply #153 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 13:19:25 »
Yep, on a key it's the new one (on the right) 100%. Great job!
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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #154 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 13:29:37 »
Signed up just to keep an eye on this set.

You had me irrevocably when you said "ALPS".

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #155 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 13:54:12 »
I like the one on the left more, but I'll take either.

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #156 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 16:47:41 »
Feedback time again.



this will be one big set with the exception of the ISO/International keys at the bottom which would be a small kit (~$20)

A few legends have changed, I updated the non alpha keys to only be single legend. This is to make internationalization easier to support. ANSI users, are you ok with single legends numbers etc? International users what do you think of this compromise?

I also added homing keys for a variety of layouts.

I think this is a good middle ground bringing the most support for the least amount of keys and making it affordable for everyone.

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #157 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 16:56:36 »
Personally, I'm not a fan of the single legends... but understand the logistical simplification that decision allows.

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #158 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 16:57:53 »
Personally, I'm not a fan of the single legends... but understand the logistical simplification that decision allows.
I hear ya.  Does it turn you off to the set?


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« Reply #159 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:01:49 »
It does. I am a decent typist, but can never remember that % is 5 and ^ is 6, so I need the second legend. Most here are probably less concerned with that though, so I accept if I'm outvoted.

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« Reply #160 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:04:11 »
It does. I am a decent typist, but can never remember that % is 5 and ^ is 6, so I need the second legend. Most here are probably less concerned with that though, so I accept if I'm outvoted.
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« Reply #161 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:15:35 »
I like it. A little bit off the "less is more" effect.

Really interested in the set. Not really bothered with single legends, and if it helps the set's cost/production i'm fine with the compromise :)
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« Reply #162 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:16:45 »
I actually prefer the single legends, adds to the charm of the set per the way of simplicity. I'm a minimalist though so I'm biased, I'd be okay with either outcome but I appreciate the fact you're taking things like that into consideration to make the set more accessible money-wise for all of us.

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« Reply #163 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:25:58 »
I actually prefer the single legends, adds to the charm of the set per the way of simplicity. I'm a minimalist though so I'm biased, I'd be okay with either outcome but I appreciate the fact you're taking things like that into consideration to make the set more accessible money-wise for all of us.

Agreed- very cool to get to at least vote/ provide input on these sorts of things... Thanks for considering all the opinions, evangs.

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« Reply #164 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:28:06 »
I actually prefer the single legends, adds to the charm of the set per the way of simplicity. I'm a minimalist though so I'm biased, I'd be okay with either outcome but I appreciate the fact you're taking things like that into consideration to make the set more accessible money-wise for all of us.

Agreed- very cool to get to at least vote/ provide input on these sorts of things... Thanks for considering all the opinions, evangs.
:) I do value all your opinions.  Being community oriented is one value my company will always hold.


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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #165 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:35:39 »
I also prefer the dual legends and the single legends would make me reconsider, but I too will accept it if that preference falls in the minority.

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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:36:46 »
I also prefer the dual legends and the single legends would make me reconsider, but I too will accept it if that preference falls in the minority.
Are you an ANSI user?


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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #167 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:42:45 »
I also prefer the dual legends and the single legends would make me reconsider, but I too will accept it if that preference falls in the minority.
Are you an ANSI user?


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Yes.

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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #168 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:43:18 »
I also prefer the dual legends and the single legends would make me reconsider, but I too will accept it if that preference falls in the minority.
Are you an ANSI user?


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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:58:04 »
Nice set, count me in! :thumb:

Unfortunately I can't include everything and have had to make compromises to keep the total cap count down. I've tried to support the maximum number of layouts with a limited number of keys, therefore more unique layouts will not have 100% legend accuracy, but will have the correct size caps

I was secretly hoping for an extra 2.25u Shift cap to make it through to final renders, but this explains that. The accented Enter could do the job, but this set might still go onto another board though.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the single legends... but understand the logistical simplification that decision allows.

I am not keen on the single legends either as I find them over-simplified. However, I have never used any like that, so why not give them a try?

I also added homing keys for a variety of layouts.

Thanks! :)

this will be one big set with the exception of the ISO/International keys at the bottom which would be a small kit (~$20)

While being a US-Intl layout user, if the International kit stays this small, I will certainly grab it to get my hands on these fancy Nor/De/Spanish caps.


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« Reply #170 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:59:19 »
Nice set, count me in! :thumb:

Unfortunately I can't include everything and have had to make compromises to keep the total cap count down. I've tried to support the maximum number of layouts with a limited number of keys, therefore more unique layouts will not have 100% legend accuracy, but will have the correct size caps

I was secretly hoping for an extra 2.25u Shift cap to make it through to final renders, but this explains that. The accented Enter could do the job, but this set might still go onto another board though.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the single legends... but understand the logistical simplification that decision allows.

I am not keen on the single legends either as I find them over-simplified. However, I have never used any like that, so why not give them a try?

I also added homing keys for a variety of layouts.

Thanks! :)

this will be one big set with the exception of the ISO/International keys at the bottom which would be a small kit (~$20)

While being a US-Intl layout user, if the International kit stays this small, I will certainly grab it to get my hands on these fancy Nor/De/Spanish caps.
Thanks for the feedback, this helps a lot!


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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #171 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:25:52 »
:) I do value all your opinions.  Being community oriented is one value my company will always hold.

Evan for president! Also, I'm patiently waiting for the time to come when you actually have enough resources to offer your board kits with an option for full assembly, I remember we spoke on Massdrop when your Minivan recently dropped and I'm counting days to the potential 1 year ETA you gave haha.

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« Reply #172 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:27:42 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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The one on right since I didn't even know the one on the left was supposed to be a light cycle.
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« Reply #173 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:28:29 »
:) I do value all your opinions.  Being community oriented is one value my company will always hold.

Evan for president! Also, I'm patiently waiting for the time to come when you actually have enough resources to offer your board kits with an option for full assembly, I remember we spoke on Massdrop when your Minivan recently dropped and I'm counting days to the potential 1 year ETA you gave haha.
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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #174 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:28:57 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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The one on right since I didn't even know the one on the left was supposed to be a light cycle.
Right on, I like the one on the right better as well


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« Reply #175 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:30:30 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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The new one.
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« Reply #176 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:31:05 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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The new one.
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« Reply #177 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:34:41 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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The new one.
Nice!!!


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Before I saw the new one I didn't realize that it was a motorcycle :p
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Re: [IC] LightCycle DSA FULL Keyboard Keyset
« Reply #178 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 19:00:02 »
Single legends is a turn off for me (ANSI).

Not trying to be a buzz kill for international layouts, but I couldn't do it. DSA for me is already a risk, single legends is too much. Alps is a huge selling point, but not enough for me

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« Reply #179 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 19:17:08 »
Single legends is a turn off for me (ANSI).

Not trying to be a buzz kill for international layouts, but I couldn't do it. DSA for me is already a risk, single legends is too much. Alps is a huge selling point, but not enough for me
This is feedback I need, I've got some other ideas, but I'll let some more responses come in first


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« Reply #180 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 19:23:42 »
Oh and fwiw, I'm an ANSI user as well (referring to my prior comment regarding liking the minimalistic profile of the single legends). It's curious to me that that's such a big deal for a lot of users on here - isn't everybody used to typing with blank keys/without looking at their legends nowadays? Or is it just (mostly) about aesthetics?

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« Reply #181 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 19:53:10 »
ANSI user here. Single legends also a turn off for me, and would have me reconsidering.

I actually preferred the last render from the 19th, plus the new bike novelty key, by quite a large margin over the current render.

I noticed the bikes and novelties are not in the current render? Are they out?

I was also hoping for an additional blue 2.25 shift. Was thinking of using an F660M as my primary board for this set.
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« Reply #182 on: Tue, 20 September 2016, 21:18:29 »
ANSI user here. Single legends also a turn off for me, and would have me reconsidering.

I actually preferred the last render from the 19th, plus the new bike novelty key, by quite a large margin over the current render.

I noticed the bikes and novelties are not in the current render? Are they out?

I was also hoping for an additional blue 2.25 shift. Was thinking of using an F660M as my primary board for this set.
The novelties haven't gone anywhere just didn't put them on this quick render as it was more about gathering feedback on the legends.


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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 02:10:00 »
ANSI as well. I don't like single legend but I could live with it. It would make me a bit less excited but I don't think that would translate to not having a sale. I'm a decent typist but for whatever reason I seem to be symbol blind. Not insensitive to ISO format needs though.

Also the right one looks better, imo. I don't dislike the stylized version but that's more tron 2.0, I grew up with the original. ^_^

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« Reply #184 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 02:22:19 »
Created a Geekhack account just to say that I'm not a fan of single legends for the numbers either. It would definitely make me reconsider the set.

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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 02:30:11 »
For mono legends, I use the second legend–!@# instead of 123–on my Granite. Because you can always count the numbers  :p

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« Reply #186 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 03:12:19 »
ANSI as well. I don't like single legend but I could live with it. It would make me a bit less excited but I don't think that would translate to not having a sale. I'm a decent typist but for whatever reason I seem to be symbol blind. Not insensitive to ISO format needs though.

Also the right one looks better, imo. I don't dislike the stylized version but that's more tron 2.0, I grew up with the original. ^_^
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« Reply #187 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 08:31:17 »
... It's curious to me that that's such a big deal for a lot of users on here - isn't everybody used to typing with blank keys/without looking at their legends nowadays? ...
I love the look of the simpler caps. But I do use the extra legends as I am switching between keyboard layouts so often (UK, ISO, German, ...) that I never came around to remember where the bl@@%# special characters are. Well, I'll find my bracketsand punctuation in the dark, but that's about it. I litereally look where they are.

Nevertheless, I'd go for the set anyway - it's just too beautiful.
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« Reply #188 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 08:51:06 »
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« Reply #189 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 08:52:20 »
Take my money!!! All of eeet!  :eek:
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« Reply #190 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 09:07:56 »
Which light cycle do you prefer?

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I like the left (old) one as it feels simpler/cleaner.

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« Reply #191 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 10:30:13 »
I'm interested in this
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« Reply #192 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 10:32:19 »
So very in on this one.

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« Reply #193 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 15:00:54 »
ANSI here. I like having special characters with the numbers, but am happy with either layout. Really like the "RETURN" change too.

Also prefer the cycle on the right.

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« Reply #194 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 15:22:31 »
I now have pricing info and believe I know how I am going to break up the sets

Base Set $100


Compatability/Internationalization Pack $50


MOQ for each pack is 100 units

Let me know what you think!

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« Reply #195 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 15:41:33 »
Let me know what you think!
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« Reply #196 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 15:42:00 »
Let me know what you think!
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« Reply #197 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 16:15:04 »
Love the newest renders and the kit separation was done well.  I will be in for both kits for sure!

It may be too late but I'd also like a blue numpad enter, I've always thought it looked sharp to have the esc & numpad enter in matching, contrasting colors flanking each corner of the board.

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« Reply #198 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 16:16:10 »
Love the newest renders and the kit separation was done well.  I will be in for both kits for sure!

It may be too late but I'd also like a blue numpad enter, I've always thought it looked sharp to have the esc & numpad enter in matching, contrasting colors flanking each corner of the board.
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« Reply #199 on: Wed, 21 September 2016, 16:17:19 »
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