IBM Industrial Display

[microsoft windows]

We all've seen the keyboards, but here's something you don't run across too often...

[kishy]

Eek, I hate seeing people selling monitors to be shipped. 95% of people can't pack a (vintage) monitor such that the CRT neck won't snap off during shipping.

Awesome find, of course, but you could easily be looking at the last photos of it before it ceases to work permanently.

[hyperlinked]

Eek, I hate seeing people selling monitors to be shipped. 95% of people can't pack a (vintage) monitor such that the CRT neck won't snap off during shipping.

Awesome find, of course, but you could easily be looking at the last photos of it before it ceases to work permanently.

I managed to buy a monochrome CRT monitor online in 1994 from someone and to my utter ashonishment, it came in an ordinary cardboard box packed in newspaper. Even more amazing is that it arrived in perfect condition. Now that's called taking a risk.

[microsoft windows]

You had the Internet in '94?

[microsoft windows]

Oh, I forgot. He invented it!

[ricercar]

You had the Internet in '94?

Yes, didn't everyone?

[ch_123]

$150 for a CRT? I bet it's probably identical to their standard PS/2-era equivalents save the colour

[kishy]

$150 for a CRT? I bet it's probably identical to their standard PS/2-era equivalents save the colour

Now, let's be reasonable...what you just said is in no real way different from "$100 for an industrial Model M? I bet it's probably identical to their non-industrial equivalents save the colour"

That said I do think $150 is a bit high given the high probability it won't survive shipping.

[ch_123]

Now, let's be reasonable...what you just said is in no real way different from "$100 for an industrial Model M? I bet it's probably identical to their non-industrial equivalents save the colour"

Except for one slight issue - a $150 CRT from 15-20 years ago is going to be vastly inferior to a $150 flatpanel from today. Can't say that for the Industrial Model M.

[hyperlinked]

You had the Internet in '94?

I had the Internet since 1986, but it wasn't called the Internet yet. It was "Usenet" and a bunch of other cobbled together networks. I bought that monochrome monitor for my Atari 1040ST off of some guy in Michican from a for sale posting on Usenet.

It was a wonder to buy and sell stuff online in the early 90's. Nobody ever questioned whether the other party would come through. I'd buy stuff and mail the check right away and the thing I bought would end up in the mail before my payment got received. There were so few people who were online that you kinda felt like you were on a first name basis with anyone you came across.

[itlnstln]

You had the Internet in '94?

C'mon, MS, we all know you're still running CompuServe.

[hyperlinked]

C'mon, MS, we all know you're still running CompuServe.

You can have his 300 baud acoustic coupled modem when you pry it from his cold dead fingers!

[didjamatic]

I have a tough time figuring out what the years were but I was definitely on the internet in 94.  I dialed into BBS's before the internet, then when Al Gore graced us with his gift to mankind, I joined Prodigy and Compuserve (in DOS and Win3.1) before going to AOL (only 130 members in my state when I joined AOL).  I can still hear the .wav file "Welcome to WinCim" that played when I launched Compuserve.  And it cost based on hours dialed in,  I remember getting a bill for $180 one month from Compuserve, which led to my switch to AOL for the 1 month free.  I stayed on AOL until Earthlink was viable then dropped using ISP email/extra services around 2001.

[microsoft windows]

I got conencted to the Internet around maybe '98 or so. And, contrary to popular belief, I got broad-band in 2007. It's plenty faster than dial-up, but it's more than twice as expensive ($20 per month).

[sethstorm]

Except for one slight issue - a $150 CRT from 15-20 years ago is going to be vastly inferior to a $150 flatpanel from today. Can't say that for the Industrial Model M.

Not if the CRT's Trinitron and the panel's TN.  At the $150 level, you're not going to see IPS or *VA technology in a similarly sized monitor.

[microsoft windows]

I'll sell you my wretched trinitron from 1996 for $100.

[kishy]

Except for one slight issue - a $150 CRT from 15-20 years ago is going to be vastly inferior to a $150 flatpanel from today. Can't say that for the Industrial Model M.

My point was that the Industrial is considered valuable on the basis of being uncommon and unique. That's the (only) reason (that I can see) why this CRT is priced like it is.

Disregard which still has useful life and you'll see what I'm saying.

[ch_123]

Not if the CRT's Trinitron and the panel's TN.  At the $150 level, you're not going to see IPS or *VA technology in a similarly sized monitor.

Not really applicable here when dealing with what well could be a monochrome or EGA screen...

[ricercar]

I'll sell you my wretched trinitron from 1996 for $100.

Oooh. Can you see the shadow mask wire across the screen? That's the sign of an official Sony Trinitron.

[sethstorm]

I'll sell you my wretched trinitron from 1996 for $100.

Already had one.  It's that I don't care for the seas of TN-based LCD's at all as opposed to Trinitrons or IPS/*VA LCD's.

Oooh. Can you see the shadow mask wire across the screen? That's the sign of an official Sony Trinitron.

That was not a negative thing for me.

My point was that the Industrial is considered valuable on the basis of being uncommon and unique. That's the (only) reason (that I can see) why this CRT is priced like it is.

Disregard which still has useful life and you'll see what I'm saying.

That's what I'll agree on.

[ch_123]

My point was that the Industrial is considered valuable on the basis of being uncommon and unique. That's the (only) reason (that I can see) why this CRT is priced like it is.

Disregard which still has useful life and you'll see what I'm saying.

Sure, that could mean that it's worth $30 instead of $10...

[itlnstln]

Oooh. Can you see the shadow mask wire across the screen? That's the sign of an official Sony Trinitron.

People always made a big deal out of this, but it never really bothered me.  I have a Dell 21" with a Trinitron tube.  I loved it.  Now, though, LCDs are so much better.  Easier on my eyes, too.

[kishy]

Sure, that could mean that it's worth $30 instead of $10...

Suppose it depends who you talk to.

I'd put the value on a fully functioning complete (inc monitor, kb, etc) industrial PC around $300 or more depending on how it was equipped. Monitor for 100-150 is reasonable assuming it works (but then it likely won't after being shipped so...10 to 30 is more reasonable given that risk).

[ch_123]

Vague figures are vague. How old or new of an Industrial PC are we talking about here?

[kishy]

Vague figures are vague. How old or new of an Industrial PC are we talking about here?

I don't know the history of the lineup, but let's go with a late-model 8088 system and say that the value I suggested is post-Kishification.

[ch_123]

It'd want to be an absolutely pristine example to be worth $300. The odds are that if its a used example, it would have been exposed to the joys of a factory floor and is in terrible condition.

[microsoft windows]

I guess I'd call it pristine since it's brand new in the box.

For practicality's sake most people would never buy it, but it might be a gold-mine to a collector of older IBM computer systems.