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DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 00:11:24 »
Tonight I was playing the "Oh, you know, I don't think I've ever tried to put together blank DSA Alps set from pimpmykeyboard" game... for more than the first time.  (I think i've probably had this thought on at least 3 different occasions, but fail to remember until I see the lack of 2.75u and crummy colors)

Why is this so difficult?  I understand they have a lot in the pipelines, but honestly, how long it would take them to set up a run of a full set of DSA alps blanks?  Oh sure, I'd take some dye sub as well.

Can we put a team together to go volunteer to help out on the weekend or something?  :p

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 00:24:09 »
Custom ALPS sets have been hard to do because stabilizers are not standard on ALPS boards. My XM uses Costar stabs, interestingly enough.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 01:50:16 »
Market is too small, the return isn't as bright as mx with the almost same amout of capital.
Well, if you're very adamant abount this, you can try arrange IC, ask SP or Chinese DSA maker for MoQ, then make own GB.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 12:27:23 »
Is there a Chinese DSA-clone maker prepared to make keycap sets with Alps stems?

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 18:09:58 »
Is there a Chinese DSA-clone maker prepared to make keycap sets with Alps stems?
MoQ is the keyword, I reckon it'd not be in hundreds.

or why not wait for i-rocks switch? Another alps clone with mx stems

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 12:25:47 »
I wonder if those housings will fit all types of keycaps.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 00:54:10 »
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 07:23:22 »
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.

Yikes, that's a bit concerning.  Light cycle is in group buy again and I was planning to join. I hadn't heard about issues with the double shot process.   I was planning to shave the stems on the corners to keep the fit from being so tight.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 10:01:32 »
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.

Yikes, that's a bit concerning.  Light cycle is in group buy again and I was planning to join. I hadn't heard about issues with the double shot process.   I was planning to shave the stems on the corners to keep the fit from being so tight.

I used vintage salmon alps and not the provided matias quiet clicks. After ruining 2 caps, I did end up slicing a bevel in the edge of the post on each cap and then brushing some of my switch lube on each side just to eliminate them from sticking as much as possible. This seemed to be a common story of the folks that went alps/lightcycle on the minivan buy.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 10:47:17 »
The horror stories regarding Alps and changing caps makes me content to stay in the MX compatible world.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:38:11 »
I've pulled Tai Hao double-shots off a Matias Quiet Click board numerous times and never had a problem with the keycaps coming apart, or damaging the switches. However, you do have to be careful. I recommend pulling with increasing tension (and only straight up--never with any side-to-side torque), rather than yanking with high force.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 13:28:52 »
I've pulled Tai Hao double-shots off a Matias Quiet Click board numerous times and never had a problem with the keycaps coming apart, or damaging the switches. However, you do have to be careful. I recommend pulling with increasing tension (and only straight up--never with any side-to-side torque), rather than yanking with high force.

Same experience here.  I always feel like they're going to break but pulling straight up and, like you said, with increasing tension, works for me.

I've changed them 3 times and never a broken a cap.  But I do plan to do a little shaving and/or lubing to keep Light Cycle safe since they are so much more expensive.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 14:53:01 »
That is understandable.

I am eager to get LightCycle DSA on my KBP V60 mini, but once I do, I don't plan to ever remove them.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 14:53:51 »
I've pulled Tai Hao double-shots off a Matias Quiet Click board numerous times and never had a problem with the keycaps coming apart, or damaging the switches. However, you do have to be careful. I recommend pulling with increasing tension (and only straight up--never with any side-to-side torque), rather than yanking with high force.

Come to think of it, I've pulled caps off my SGI granite before I even had a keycap puller and it was fine.  I suppose the idea is to get caps that aren't so tightly fitting that pulling off stems is a problem.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:34:52 »
yeah the problem is you dont have a whole lot of options for ALPS based keycaps. I will say the Taihao set that I have on my V80 is solid, i have no worries about that set. They also dont fit as snug as the lightcycle did. Maybe its the salmon alps vs. the cream alps? i dunno. I just grabbed both of the dolch sets that just opened on massdrop so we'll see.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:41:45 »
Yeah, you got that right.

Even the Tai Hao sets are, at best, placeholders until I can get something truly worth typing on, which is to say DSA keycaps.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:44:44 »
We've got that Chinese maker with the DSA-alternative caps.  Has anyone tried to see if they would run a set with Alps mounts?  There's also that Chinese maker with the SA-alternative caps.  I think someone was trying to figure out how to get a hold of them for some custom set possibilities.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:02:08 »
The Alps market is just so small though. There isn't much incentive for keycap manufacturers to prioritize the Alps mount.

In any event, the reason you don't see many Alps DSA sets is because designers don't bother to offer them. SP will certainly make them; it is up to keyset designers to add them to their group buy.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:22:04 »
I ordered the original set of Alps Lightcycle caps on Massdrop but ended up not using them. With the new GB Evangs is running, thinking now that I should keep the extra 40% set in the case I (or someone else) breaks a stem off.  Excited to have an actual Alps keycap set that fits the VE.A.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 02 March 2017, 22:59:53 »
The Alps market is just so small though. There isn't much incentive for keycap manufacturers to prioritize the Alps mount.

In any event, the reason you don't see many Alps DSA sets is because designers don't bother to offer them. SP will certainly make them; it is up to keyset designers to add them to their group buy.

Yup.  Then add on that the options for designers are limited and it only compounds the problem.  You've got DCS, typically considered too thin and not "in" right now, or DSA which has the aforementioned problems. 

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 03 March 2017, 00:48:45 »
There might be little maker trying DSA Alps keycaps :blank:
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 29 September 2017, 12:38:31 »
Typing this right now on an alps ergodox with DSA blanks.
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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 29 May 2018, 10:19:56 »
I would also love some DSA Alps keycaps! Even just the alphanumeric keys would mean I could have a Dvorak layout on my ALPS MGM-106.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 29 May 2018, 14:33:26 »
If you can find them the DSA Granite alps are probably your best bet.

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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 07 June 2018, 12:57:02 »
Does PMK still sell the Alps Granite set?


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Re: DSA Alps, why is this so hard?
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 07 June 2018, 14:32:18 »
Does PMK still sell the Alps Granite set?


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They announced last year that they were not going to make any more granite ALPS, unfortunately
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