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Re: 4x4
« Reply #250 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:21:43 »
:confused:

We've got a lot of intelligent people in this community, and a lot of people with common sense.  I'm going to ask you guys something to help us improve this process in the future..

If YOU had 5 different styles of dragon penis candles all scented the same way, and you asked someone their order of preference if they had to choose 4.  Would it make sense if the person choose the same one four times, and would you consider the question answered adequately?

To be honest I did this :rolleyes: I was pretty hung over, but the form let me do it so ehhh.

I have a preference for an otter over all other caps, then I have no preference between the others (as in, I would enjoy them all equally). What would have been the best way to fill that out? One otter and 3 wild cards? Three otters and one wild card? One otter, one wild card, then randomly two other sculpts?

I work full time programming tech for others to use and a main pillar is defined with this phrase;  "if something is easy to use incorrectly, it's been build badly".

To be picky, the default layout when you open a page has all 4 set to DWI Jack which is exactly the input that you're complaining about. It would be a simple fix to at least have a different sculpt on each one by default. Some form validation would also stop this completely. I believe better terminology would have been to ask people to "rank" them instead of selecting preferences. Drag and drop would work (https://jqueryui.com/sortable/), Ctrl Alt have this on their cart page. If you had to work with the current constraints you could inverse the paradigm and have each sculpt listed with a dropdown/radio buttons/slider for rank next to it. e.g.

DWI Jack : [#2]
Lion Keyng : [N/A]
Switch Doctor : [#3]
Otterophile : [#1]
Skulthulu : [N/A]
WILD CARD : [#4]

Anyway, that's my viewpoint on it. Hopefully it comes across as constructive  :thumb:

Keep in mind, drag and drop does not work on mobile.

I think it would be just as good to default all options to WILDCARD instead of DWI Jack.

You're right, what i linked didn't work, but it's not impossible. 5 seconds of searching brought me here: http://touchpunch.furf.com/

Ranking can also be done very simply with 'move up' and 'move down' buttons.

Without knowledge on how to implement that into the development space of my webpage I'm left feeling pretty helpless and really at the mercy of my customers understanding what we've written.

I can empathize with that and I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what you've written is nowhere near as clear as you think it is. If I follow the example given with the default values (all DWI Jack's) then I failed to understand what you've written? Blaming the users for filling out the form in a seemingly valid way is pretty weak. If you don't have the ability to add validation for the rules you want, you do have the ability to add it in text e.g. "Please don't select the same sculpt more than once".

For the record I think your website is looking pretty slick. Im not sure what setup you have for your site but I'd be happy to lend some time here and there to try and help you achieve some better UX.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #251 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:33:57 »
Pretty sure the online store runs on shopify which may be limited in what it can accomplish field validation wise. If however you have access to the source code...I'm sure there are more than one to two devs here who can help. :)

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #252 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:44:17 »

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what you've written is nowhere near as clear as you think it is.

at the mercy of my customers understanding what we've written.

This is all I have man.  You can assume that I'm blaming people for shortcomings to which I have admitted are my fault.  I've mentioned before that the problems with the orders aren't so much problems for me as they will be for customers, and I also intend to try to give everyone their first preference.  The conversations regarding the exact meaning of each selection a person can make are what I'm trying to clarify.  My communication skills in this are lacking.  I just feel like people are still uneasy about their entries.
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #253 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:52:05 »

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what you've written is nowhere near as clear as you think it is.

at the mercy of my customers understanding what we've written.

This is all I have man.  You can assume that I'm blaming people for shortcomings to which I have admitted are my fault.  I've mentioned before that the problems with the orders aren't so much problems for me as they will be for customers, and I also intend to try to give everyone their first preference.  The conversations regarding the exact meaning of each selection a person can make are what I'm trying to clarify.  My communication skills in this are lacking.  I just feel like people are still uneasy about their entries.

I'm not sure what points were discussing now. I was just suggesting you can write something different and see if you get better results.

If my posted seemed like an attack, I'm sorry. It was me trying to give constructive criticism/feedback.

Re: 4x4
« Reply #254 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:58:04 »
Seems like there are a lot of whiners in here complaining about the opportunity to get triple shots from Binge for $50.

To me, this is the best artisan sale format I've ever seen. And I hope the other "in demand" (Boop, KK, ETF, etc) people follow suit. Binge is creating supply to reduce the secondary market prices/increase the availability for trades, driving his business with a huge amount of orders to work through over the next 8 or so months, while maintaining the quality and beauty of his caps through a data driven, intelligent process. Taking the lottery out of the process also stops people from entering just to acquire trade bait and lowering the chances of people who really want the caps.

Binge can't be expected to make everyone happy and if all you're looking for is an otter, wait until they start appearing more often on mechmarket. Personally, I'm dying for an otter. It was my top choice on all three caps I ordered. But I would be ecstatic with a switch doctor, skulthulu, or lion keyng because they're all AMAZING sculpts.

I much prefer this method and knowing something amazing is going to come in the mail vs something like a more mass produced sale where the quality of caps isn't up to par with previous sales (like the ETF single shot Prismatic vs the caps in Meatbag and other similar sales).

The order form isn't complicated. The instructions were clear. And I want to thank Binge for such an awesome opportunity to get some great caps at a great price.


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Re: 4x4
« Reply #255 on: Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:59:42 »
This is all I have man.  You can assume that I'm blaming people for shortcomings to which I have admitted are my fault.  I've mentioned before that the problems with the orders aren't so much problems for me as they will be for customers, and I also intend to try to give everyone their first preference.  The conversations regarding the exact meaning of each selection a person can make are what I'm trying to clarify.  My communication skills in this are lacking.  I just feel like people are still uneasy about their entries.

First time entering. Love your work. Hoping as hard as I can to end up with an Otterphile. Thank you for being someone who's very careful with producing good work, but also someone willing to commit their entire rest of the year to making sure people end up with what they like!

When it comes to the form, I think one sentence somewhere mentioning 'You can only mention each sculpt one time in your ranking' could alleviate some of the difficulty. :)

I'll ask a couple of friends who work at Shopify if there's an easy way to do forms so that pre-selected options are masked.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #256 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 02:13:52 »

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but what you've written is nowhere near as clear as you think it is.

at the mercy of my customers understanding what we've written.

This is all I have man.  You can assume that I'm blaming people for shortcomings to which I have admitted are my fault.  I've mentioned before that the problems with the orders aren't so much problems for me as they will be for customers, and I also intend to try to give everyone their first preference.  The conversations regarding the exact meaning of each selection a person can make are what I'm trying to clarify.  My communication skills in this are lacking.  I just feel like people are still uneasy about their entries.

That's perfectly alright.  WILDCARD is the '**** my **** up binge *heavy panting*' option anyway.

Glad 2/3 of my orders were for Wildcard then, absolutely friggin love the work you guys do for the community as a whole too. I personally didn't have any issue filling out the form, but I guess it might have just went over peoples heads that they were a semi-blind sale. Still happy to have the opportunity to get in on another HWS sale since I missed out on the voodoo sale.

Cant wait to receive these magnificent caps some time in the future, though fingers crossed for a HungerKey. Keep up the great work and by all means:
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #257 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 12:00:38 »
I much prefer this method and knowing something amazing is going to come in the mail vs something like a more mass produced sale where the quality of caps isn't up to par with previous sales (like the ETF single shot Prismatic vs the caps in Meatbag and other similar sales).

:wut:

Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?


Re: 4x4
« Reply #258 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 12:41:37 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #259 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:03:46 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

That's just like your...opinion man.
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #260 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:09:29 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

Oh i get it.
You aren't talking about quality of the caps, you're talking about how pretty it looks to you.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #261 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:32:10 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

So you are happy to get an idea about what the aftermarket price is going to be before the sale?

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #262 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 14:07:14 »
can there just be no drama?

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #263 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 14:35:15 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

That's just like your...opinion man.

Yeah like magnets.  How do they work anyway?
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #264 on: Tue, 25 April 2017, 15:48:36 »
Are you implying the quality is crap because it's single shot?

I'm implying that the Fugus from previous sales/small run sales look much better than the Prismatic run. Look at the splatter baby/meatbag/serenity now sales vs the Prismatic sale.

And the secondary market has proven that to be true. Prismatics go for $50 while most other Fugus (except Bee & Barb) go for $100+.

That's just like your...opinion man.

Yeah like magnets.  How do they work anyway?


Re: 4x4
« Reply #265 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 07:56:02 »
Oh i get it.
You aren't talking about quality of the caps, you're talking about how pretty it looks to you.

No, you're actually completely missing the point.

What I mean is if Binge tried to do this sale just by doing a ton of single shots, it would have little to no affect on the secondary market value of the triple shot caps already out there.

But since he is doing triple shots, he will be able to drive down the price/raise the availability of the secondary market over the next 8 months.

Its has nothing to do with the quality of ETF's caps. Everyone knows he does great work.


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Re: 4x4
« Reply #266 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:05:15 »
Oh i get it.
You aren't talking about quality of the caps, you're talking about how pretty it looks to you.

No, you're actually completely missing the point.

What I mean is if Binge tried to do this sale just by doing a ton of single shots, it would have little to no affect on the secondary market value of the triple shot caps already out there.

But since he is doing triple shots, he will be able to drive down the price/raise the availability of the secondary market over the next 8 months.

Its has nothing to do with the quality of ETF's caps. Everyone knows he does great work.



I was hoping by the number of deleted posts this would end.  Topic: Magnets - how do they work?
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« Reply #268 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:16:12 »
Topic: Magnets - how do they work?

Pretty sure its just straight up magic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5oXWtSMHzw.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #269 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 09:44:36 »
Just placed my order, very cool idea Binge!  Will be a nice surprise for when I forget I ordered this  :))

Also, magnets are neat.  :thumb:
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« Reply #270 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 09:55:14 »
Magnets?!?!

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #273 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 12:49:39 »
monopoles are a myth!

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #274 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 13:24:14 »
It hasn't been announced how long sales will be open right? I really want to buy a bunch more but to be prudent I should wait till I get paid again which prolly isn't for at least 2-3 weeks.
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« Reply #275 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 13:33:30 »
It hasn't been announced how long sales will be open right? I really want to buy a bunch more but to be prudent I should wait till I get paid again which prolly isn't for at least 2-3 weeks.

There is a date on the website for when Binge starts mold production but he has just said whenever it gets sold out or shut down for other reasons.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #276 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 21:52:57 »
Oh i get it.
You aren't talking about quality of the caps, you're talking about how pretty it looks to you.

No, you're actually completely missing the point.

What I mean is if Binge tried to do this sale just by doing a ton of single shots, it would have little to no affect on the secondary market value of the triple shot caps already out there.

But since he is doing triple shots, he will be able to drive down the price/raise the availability of the secondary market over the next 8 months.

Its has nothing to do with the quality of ETF's caps. Everyone knows he does great work.



I was hoping by the number of deleted posts this would end.  Topic: Magnets - how do they work?

I found this an interesting read. I use eddy current testing at my work which uses magnetic fields, but its kind of cool digging deeper. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

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« Reply #277 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 23:03:28 »
I found this an interesting read. I use eddy current testing at my work which uses magnetic fields, but its kind of cool digging deeper. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

TL;DR: Magic.  You know, like maginetic fields.
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« Reply #278 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 23:23:05 »
I found this an interesting read. I use eddy current testing at my work which uses magnetic fields, but its kind of cool digging deeper. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

TL;DR: Magic.  You know, like maginetic fields.

You might be half right lol, after looking around there are quite a few properties of magnetism that are still unknown how they work :P

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #279 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 23:30:11 »
Damn... I may have to enter for a wild card...

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #280 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 01:17:40 »
Damn... I may have to enter for a wild card...

DO IT i already got two but went back for a proto star wildcard.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #281 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 01:25:24 »
I ordered 3 and went back to order Nebula. It's...a lot of money though it certainly beats the aftermarket.

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« Reply #282 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 02:51:07 »
I found this an interesting read. I use eddy current testing at my work which uses magnetic fields, but its kind of cool digging deeper. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

TL;DR: Magic.  You know, like maginetic fields.

You might be half right lol, after looking around there are quite a few properties of magnetism that are still unknown how they work :P

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #283 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 16:18:09 »
Call me stupid (please don't) but I do not see where I can enter to buy one, could somebody give me the link? :D

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« Reply #284 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 16:20:00 »
Call me stupid (please don't) but I do not see where I can enter to buy one, could somebody give me the link? :D

have a good one guys!
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« Reply #285 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 16:22:57 »
Call me stupid (please don't) but I do not see where I can enter to buy one, could somebody give me the link? :D

have a good one guys!
https://hungerwork.studio/collections/4x4

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #286 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 16:35:36 »
I found this an interesting read. I use eddy current testing at my work which uses magnetic fields, but its kind of cool digging deeper. http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm

TL;DR: Magic.  You know, like maginetic fields.

You might be half right lol, after looking around there are quite a few properties of magnetism that are still unknown how they work :P

Like?

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"We just observe that when you make a charged particle move, it creates a magnetic field and two poles. We don't really know why. It's just a feature of the universe, and the mathematical explanations are just attempts of getting through the 'homework assignment' of nature and getting the answers."

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« Reply #287 on: Sun, 30 April 2017, 23:37:10 »
Kinda tempted to place another order...if i do and select the same colors, will I get doubles of the same color combination?
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #288 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 06:33:52 »
Kinda tempted to place another order...if i do and select the same colors, will I get doubles of the same color combination?

Unlikely as you would be in an entirely different section of the queue.
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« Reply #289 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 06:44:41 »
Kinda tempted to place another order...if i do and select the same colors, will I get doubles of the same color combination?

Unlikely as you would be in an entirely different section of the queue.

Do we have any idea how long the queue already is and what's our place in the it? It's the impatient curious kid in me that speaks (yeah ... impatient and I purchased a keycap that I could get in January of next year xD I'm crazy)
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« Reply #290 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 06:59:40 »
Kinda tempted to place another order...if i do and select the same colors, will I get doubles of the same color combination?

Unlikely as you would be in an entirely different section of the queue.

Do we have any idea how long the queue already is and what's our place in the it? It's the impatient curious kid in me that speaks (yeah ... impatient and I purchased a keycap that I could get in January of next year xD I'm crazy)

I'll be able to tell people how close we are closer to when the sale is ending, but by that time people should have already gotten most of their caps.
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« Reply #291 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 07:01:35 »
Kinda tempted to place another order...if i do and select the same colors, will I get doubles of the same color combination?

Unlikely as you would be in an entirely different section of the queue.

Do we have any idea how long the queue already is and what's our place in the it? It's the impatient curious kid in me that speaks (yeah ... impatient and I purchased a keycap that I could get in January of next year xD I'm crazy)

I'll be able to tell people how close we are closer to when the sale is ending, but by that time people should have already gotten most of their caps.

haha don't worry, I knew I had to wait and will gladly do it :D
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #292 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:03:16 »
Binge, will there be any sort of warning that orders are going to close? Thanks.

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« Reply #293 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:14:25 »
Binge, will there be any sort of warning that orders are going to close? Thanks.
Yessir!  There will be updated calendar events and blog posts.

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #294 on: Sun, 14 May 2017, 11:04:31 »
Can't wait for the pictures of these but even more excited for the surprise when opening three wildcards! More hype than ever before.
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Re: 4x4
« Reply #295 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 11:38:42 »
Order enrollment period is still open.

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"What the hell Jimmy?!  It was ruined before you even put it up there with your decrepit fingers."

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #296 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 11:49:45 »
Hey Binge, I'd love to get in on this BUT I may be moving in November of this upcoming year. Is there anyway to update our shipping info after placing an order in case it takes that long to ship?

Offline KetchyKech

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #297 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 12:07:13 »
couldn't resist,  went in for two more---had to get some Keyngs  :thumb:

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #298 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 12:25:21 »
couldn't resist,  went in for two more---had to get some Keyngs  :thumb:

I'm fighting a losing battle here as well... tempted to go in for some Keyngs.

Offline Robotical

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Re: 4x4
« Reply #299 on: Fri, 19 May 2017, 13:58:34 »
Time to get the hype train rolling even faster?





Loving the Nebula colors so far Binge!
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