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Offline Quantastrophus

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[IC] SX60 Keyboard
« on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 01:54:54 »
Hi, all!

This is my first post here on GeekHack but I am more active on reddit under the same username.  This is a Split 60% + macro row inspired by the VE.A that I have been working on.  I've manufactured a prototype and am hoping to get enough interest from the community to turn this into a group buy.

The PCB and plates should be coming in the next few weeks so I can fully assemble the board and put up some typing videos, etc.



imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/jGuWP
reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7gnyu7/sx_60_album_on_imgur/


Keyboard Body comprises of 6 pieces:
  • Bottom Left - 6061 ALU
  • Bottom Right - 6061 ALU
  • Top Left - 6061 ALU
  • Top Right - 6061 ALU
  • Left Weight - Bead Blasted Brass
  • Right Weight - Bead Blasted Brass

Mounting Style
I'm not sure of the name (I call it sandwich) but here is a picture from Fusion 360 so you can visualize:


Keyboard Plate - This will be 2 pieces of bead blasted brass

Keyboard PCB
  • QMK
  • All connectors will be USB Type C
  • In Switch LEDs
  • Layout:



The prototype was manufactured in China but I'm not 100% confident in the quality of the anodizing. Maybe members of the community can weigh in from photos or I can take more detailed photos to discuss what expected quality is for anodizing as I'm unsure.

Despite the deficiency in the anodizing, I would say that their machining is actually quite good and I am happy with it. The board has no noticeable blemishes in my opinion.

Some options I'm considering based on feedback are:
  • Use a local company to Cerakote the cases
  • Find a suitable nearby company for anodizing
  • Offer the case bead blasted with clear anodizing
  • Find a new factory altogether


IC Link: https://goo.gl/forms/iR4zuzxZBO2f5QIz2


I'll update the thread tomorrow with an Google Forms interest check. Thanks for reading!


Second prototype Photos




« Last Edit: Wed, 10 January 2018, 13:58:15 by Quantastrophus »

Offline Quantastrophus

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 01:55:45 »
reserved.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 14:51:02 »
hype, im down

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 14:51:54 »
Looking great, very interested.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:49:01 »
The anodizing looks good to me.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 16:15:50 »
Been waiting for something like this for a while now - definitely can count me in!

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 17:37:31 »
would there be an option for feet?

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 01 December 2017, 20:11:40 »
Wait for this for a long time.I'm in. :))

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 02 December 2017, 01:39:35 »
Looks really nice.  :thumb:

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[IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 02 December 2017, 16:44:48 »
Been waiting for this!

Any chance for the pcb to support swapping left space and fn?
On the ve.a gb many ppl request this layout option
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 02 December 2017, 18:06:03 »
Why is the Y always on the right side? :(

Looks very good tho, I wouldn't say I'm in too fast but I'm pretty interested, at least.
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 02 December 2017, 22:14:16 »
Why is the Y always on the right side? :(

Looks very good tho, I wouldn't say I'm in too fast but I'm pretty interested, at least.

I feel the same way about B being on the left side, but hey, that's just the correct way to type.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 03 December 2017, 11:39:40 »
inspired by the VE.A ?
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Offline Quantastrophus

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 03 December 2017, 12:51:26 »
inspired by the VE.A ?

Yes, I was inspired to create a keyboard similar to the VE.A after owning one for a few months. I also felt that there were some changes to the VE.A that I could make to make the board more suitable for myself.

What I liked about the VE.A:
  • Retains the normal staggered layout
  • Constructed fully of aluminum
  • Uses macro rows to balance the size of each side

What I didn't like and how I changed it:
  • When typing on the keyboard I noticed some lag between the two halves: I designed a new PCB that doesn't use V-USB or an outdated ATMEGA microcontroller.
  • I don't use a lot of the keys in a 75% layout: I switched to a 60% and 1 macro row layout.
  • I don't like the PCIE connector: I altered the PCB to use USB Type-C connectors

Most of this could be covered by just creating an alternate PCB for the original VE.A, but I also wanted to change to a 60% form factor.  This is why I decided to create a new keyboard as opposed to designing a new PCB for the original VE.A.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 03 December 2017, 15:25:00 »
I hope this gets off. I would buy one instantly.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 06 December 2017, 08:16:55 »
I hope this gets off. I would buy one instantly.


Same here!

Iíve even considered buying a Mistel to get my hands on a split 60, but I canít stand the limited programmability and unsymetrical sides etc.

This on the other hand is exactly what I have been waiting for.

Pls make it happen!
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 06 December 2017, 09:53:15 »
shoutout to afrokobe for showing me this. it looks awesome. and I'm very interested
              

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 06 December 2017, 09:56:19 »
Why is the Y always on the right side? :(

Looks very good tho, I wouldn't say I'm in too fast but I'm pretty interested, at least.

I feel the same way about B being on the left side, but hey, that's just the correct way to type.

There are 14 keycaps on the row, makes more sense to me to split 7/7 than 6/8.  :rolleyes:
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 00:34:00 »
Anything new about this?Hope the color of case would be more choices.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 06:56:04 »
very cool, I'd buy one.
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 08:31:52 »
Yes please.

Offline Quantastrophus

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 17:13:11 »
Anything new about this?Hope the color of case would be more choices.

Hi,

I'm currently getting some anodizing samples for the following colors:

  • Black
  • Dark Gray
  • Gray
  • Rose Gold
  • Periwinkle

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 17:23:04 »
I would ditch one color for silver or add it.  Yea, some rose gold cases are pretty but silver is a bigger seller.  :thumb:
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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 17:41:53 »
I would ditch one color for silver or add it.  Yea, some rose gold cases are pretty but silver is a bigger seller.  :thumb:

+1 for Silver

Rosegold can definitely be nice, but I feel this board is too classy for flashy anodizing.

For colors I would much rather see powder / ceracoating in white, cyan etc.

Never been a huge fan of anodizing colors.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 19:39:43 »
I would ditch one color for silver or add it.  Yea, some rose gold cases are pretty but silver is a bigger seller.  :thumb:

+1 for Silver

Rosegold can definitely be nice, but I feel this board is too classy for flashy anodizing.

For colors I would much rather see powder / ceracoating in white, cyan etc.

Never been a huge fan of anodizing colors.

Silver will be an option. It will just be anodizing without any color.

I am considering offering a special option for the first 5 people in the group buy. A case made of brass and then I will have Cerakoting done locally in any color the person wants. Of course this will be a little more expensive.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:44:48 »
uhhhhh can I be #1 and get all brass, no coating.. polished for kicks.
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:48:27 »
I would certainly be interested, price dependent.
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 08 December 2017, 04:05:26 »

Silver will be an option. It will just be anodizing without any color.

I am considering offering a special option for the first 5 people in the group buy. A case made of brass and then I will have Cerakoting done locally in any color the person wants. Of course this will be a little more expensive.

Iím not a big fan of limited special options to be honest.

I have two carbon edition X60s and it was kind of a mess. In a lot of situations it felt liked special edition got treated differently but not in a good way. =(

I would LOVE to see cerakote as an option tho!


Not trying to sound critical, but if I do itís definitely out of love <3
This is by far the one board Iím stoked about the most even more then ve.a v2 so I just want this to perfect.

Offering a limited option will make 5 people happy vs everyone else sad they didnít get one, so the negative effects outweigh imo.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 08 December 2017, 05:30:13 »
Spacebar keys need stabilisers,  right?   I haven't seen stabilisers of this size.   Are they included in the kit?
I hope PCB has south facing switches?

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 08 December 2017, 08:10:43 »
Spacebar keys need stabilisers,  right?   I haven't seen stabilisers of this size.   Are they included in the kit?
I hope PCB has south facing switches?

2u stabs will work.  Same size as left/right shift.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 10:09:02 »
Any update?

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 12:05:12 »
Any update?

I have the PCBs. I will receive the components on Thursday and will be putting a PCB together.

I'm currently waiting for the new factory to send me a prototype + plates.

They will also send me anodizing samples for colors I have selected.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 13 December 2017, 23:52:06 »
Any update?

I have the PCBs. I will receive the components on Thursday and will be putting a PCB together.

I'm currently waiting for the new factory to send me a prototype + plates.

They will also send me anodizing samples for colors I have selected.
Great! Hope this kb will go on sale soon. :p

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 14 December 2017, 02:38:17 »
Stoked for pics of the new prototype.

Iím already sold tho, just waiting until this goes live and I can order a few =)

Btw pls offer additional plates & pcbs

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 05:24:28 »
Everyday when I check Ve.a and SX60 for updates ;______;


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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 09:46:11 »
Everyday when I check Ve.a and SX60 for updates ;______;

I'm with ya. but patience is big haha.
              

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 12:07:09 »
if yall want to chat with Quantrik, he hangs out in discord in kb-kustoms.  Told me the proto anode got messed up, so he had to look for new factory, which he found.  I think right now things aren't moving very fast because of holidays

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 12:10:26 »
Everyday when I check Ve.a and SX60 for updates ;______;

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 24 December 2017, 21:54:45 »
I'm down for this!!!

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 06:36:32 »
This needs to happen. VEA envy too strong these days

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 15:47:35 »
This needs to happen. VEA envy too strong these days

They both need to happen <3

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 07 January 2018, 19:31:55 »
Very interested in this indeed! Will like to know your rough estimate of the price if/when you have one.

EDIT: Is it possible to allow a configuration to switch the position of the fn and left space key on the left side?
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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 07 January 2018, 20:01:28 »
Split 60% is nice but I wish it would come with proper F keys on the left side and not just an artisan row

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 07 January 2018, 22:53:32 »
Split 60% is nice but I wish it would come with proper F keys on the left side and not just an artisan row

Sorry but no plan for proper F keys on the left side. I added the left row simply to balance the length between the left and right sides.

This needs to happen. VEA envy too strong these days

It will happen ;)

This needs to happen. VEA envy too strong these days

They both need to happen <3

Very interested in this indeed! Will like to know your rough estimate of the price if/when you have one.

EDIT: Is it possible to allow a configuration to switch the position of the fn and left space key on the left side?

Yes I will add that layout to the PCB as quite a few users here and on discord have requested it.


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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 12:26:17 »

I'm a bit concerned about wear along the join between the two halves, especially on the corners.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 12:35:54 »
Very interested! Canít wait for pics with pcb, switches and caps :D


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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 13:12:52 »

I'm a bit concerned about wear along the join between the two halves, especially on the corners.

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You'll notice that the corners are rounded as opposed to being sharp, so they should not wear down like a 90 degree angle would.  I would also hope that you choose to use this keyboard in the split layout so this wouldn't be an issue.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 13:34:26 »

I'm a bit concerned about wear along the join between the two halves, especially on the corners.

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You'll notice that the corners are rounded as opposed to being sharp, so they should not wear down like a 90 degree angle would.  I would also hope that you choose to use this keyboard in the split layout so this wouldn't be an issue.

I do it with my VE.A and TS65 all the time.
Mainly when I need to make room for the cats or engage in some one handed typing.

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 13:44:56 »
I think this looks awesome.  I'd be all over it if it was 65% w/2 macro rows.  Trying to cram arrows into a 60% never really works IMO.  Also, 65% w/2 macro rows would work perfectly with all the wrist wrests for the VE.A while this is a new form factor. 

This is tempting as is, but if you run it a 65% form factor at some point, I'll be all over that :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SX60 Keyboard
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 08 January 2018, 14:37:52 »
Awesome work! Just a thought on the branding: Sentraq has sold a 60% board called the S60-X and a matching 65% called the S65-X. You may want to consider re-naming your board while you still can to avoid anyone confusing the two.
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