What was original price on Model M and Space Saving KB?

[ch_123]

that's why CCP enjoys strong support from its people.

[wellington1869]

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if i were chinese, i might see their point of view too! :-D

[ricercar]

Dolly :baby:

Llama

[wellington1869]

the earthquake that happened a week ago, just look how fast the chinese response were in helping the tibetan victim?

you're right, because after all, without 50 years of communist occupation, a tibetan govt might have been there to respond instead. So: ipso facto, q.e.d.

Think much?

[itlnstln]

and what's your point showing me that photo? it's called death penalty, she's a criminal, probably a tibetan separatist, which means shooting in the head is justified. I am sure Texas have death penalty for criminals

That photo was from Texas.

[Mental Hobbit]

Do you think Tankman deserved to die?

This question has already been answered:

If I were the tank driver, i would have shot the guy in the face for having the balls to challenge the party and bring in social instability.

[itlnstln]

Epic Troll.

[wellington1869]

Do you think Tankman deserved to die?

he does: from post #25:

If I were the tank driver, i would have shot the guy in the face for having the balls to challenge the party and bring in social instability.

update: mental hobbit beat me to it

[ch_123]

didn't american kill those innocent iraqi reports?

and what's your point showing me that photo? it's called death penalty, she's a criminal, probably a tibetan separatist, which means shooting in the head is justified. I am sure Texas have death penalty for criminals

How many governments officially venerate a dictator that was directly responsible for 60 million deaths in their own country?

[wellington1869]

didn't american kill those innocent iraqi reports?

...and thats why we have elections.  And uncensored media. Starting to see the value of democracy yet?

not holding my breath of course.  Its hard to beat back a lifetime of imperialistic brainwashing in one forum thread.

[XiNAVRO]

Could we ignore the troll and go back to the original topic, please?
The price of Model M back in the 80s interest me much more than a brainwashed totalitarian hypocrite.

(Not to mention that he's using a Japanese nickname. Considering what Japan did back in the WWII era to Taiwan/China, that's like a Polish person using a Hakenkreuz as his avatar)

[ch_123]

Could we ignore the troll and go back to the original topic, please?
The price of Model M back in the 80s interest me much more than a brainwashed totalitarian hypocrite.

(Not to mention that he's using a Japanese nickname. Considering what Japan did back in the WWII era to Taiwan/China, that's like a Polish person using a Hakenkreuz as his avatar)

Also, if China's so great, why is he living in Australia?

[wellington1869]

Ehm Free Afghanistan? Shouldn't Americans first be leaving their oil war price which is covered up by propaganda before mentioning Tibet? If only they knew how little they see of the true nature of that war when you are in the US.... on the other hand every time someone points it out to them, they prefer to look the other way. If you are one of those, you can't mention Tibet. That makes all of you. You know. Afghanistan. Where your soldiers are such cowards, they first bomb a place, civilians and all, and then check if the suspect is among them. Each and every day, by strategy. Because you can't have dying American soldiers, so **** the innocent.

Afghanistan was not the oil war, Iraq was.  Apparently being in Europe doesnt get you all the information either.
And we had regime change in America to fix it. China will have its regime change, but violently and belatedly, because, well, they're commies.

[wellington1869]

enlighten me, I still yet to see the advantage of democracy for a large developing nation such as china.

compare china and india. one dictatorship, one democracy. both have 1bn+ people, both developing. tell me which government you prefer. ignoring human rights. CCP in way more efficient at running the government.

you've already said you prefer the efficiency of the bullet.  THere's not much more that can be said to you except to mock you for your fascism and ignorance. Which is what I shall do.

[ch_123]

And because protesting is the same thing as a coup d'etat.

God, that must make Ireland as dangerous as Somalia...

Also, if it was so obviously an evil plot, why is it censored?

[XiNAVRO]

For once, think outside what had been rammed down your throat your entire life. Gather raw information for yourself, filter out the biases, and think for yourself.

We all live only once. Make it worthwhile, use your intelligence.


...Back to topic, please.
Although I don't own one now, I still love Model M, the AK-47 of keyboards.

[ch_123]

As far as I know, it was the Gas not the Oil that was flowing in Afghanistan...

[wellington1869]

Could we ignore the troll and go back to the original topic, please?
The price of Model M back in the 80s interest me much more than a brainwashed totalitarian hypocrite.

I sent clickykeyboards an email asking if they have any info on original selling price of the M... they seem to know much of its history.

[ch_123]

The ones I know about are on the first page.

[ch_123]

You still haven't answered why you emigrated from China.

[Mental Hobbit]

It's perfectly fine to admit that the next superpower is a Asia and/or communist state, and realising democracy is not the best form of government after all. nobody likes to admit to the inferiority of their system, and i perfectly understand your defensive on the subject.

Are you a state? I am a person. That's why I rather care for what's good for me than what might make my country most powerful.

[XiNAVRO]

Interesting. Despite the fact that computers and keyboards were not as common as nowadays back then, that's still quite pricey.

It's perfectly fine to admit that the next nobody likes to admit to the inferiority of their system, and i perfectly understand your defensive on the subject.

You have the words right from my mouth. Although you're aiming the wrong direction there.
Think about what you said, but on yourself.
If the person under dictatorship defends the dictator, then something's seriously wrong.

Like being ordered around and controlled? Be my guest.

[hyperlinked]

That photo was from Texas.

Holy **** you're right! You can see downtown San Antonio off in the corner.

[ch_123]

Incidentally, all prices are unadjusted for inflation. Something like the Model F would have cost as much as a decent laptop would today.

I have yet to find out how much a Beam Spring keyboard costs, but bare in mind that the IBM 3180 (which used a Model F) cost $2,500 in the early 80s and that this was considered much cheaper than the older terminals. When you're talking well over $2,500 for a screen, keyboard and logic unit, you can probably realize that it must have cost something ridiculous.

[ch_123]

Oh I know! It's because the Australian government bans everything and thus you feel right at home!

[Mental Hobbit]

im here cos i can watch porn on the internet, can see no boobies in china. i am staying here til the chinese government give back my porn watching right.

Humm... doesn't that make you a criminal by Chinese standards?

[ch_123]

im here cos i can watch porn on the internet, can see no boobies in china. i am staying here til the chinese government give back my porn watching right.

Should have went to Scandanavia...

[hyperlinked]

im here cos i can watch porn on the internet, can see no boobies in china. i am staying here til the chinese government give back my porn watching right.

That porn might be the only action you'll be seeing kid. I hear there's a big problem with finding wives in one-child China.

[itlnstln]

Holy **** you're right! You can see downtown San Antonio off in the corner.

Yeah, those Texan death squads.  Gotta love 'em.  This is the patch on their uniforms:

[J888www]

There are no slaves in this World, there are no unjust Governments either, we are all born to be Eric Arthur Blair, but some people are more Eric Arthur Blair than others.

All Governments are corrupt in some form or another, some country kill their own Presidents, others sell their own people for body-parts, the people who made the film "Loose Change", the man who is "Five Hundred Miles From Home" et caetera, et caetera, et caetera.

There is no end to this KEY-BORED of discussions.

There is only one certainty, we will eventually end this sojourning and arrive at our destination to be greeted by our Maker, Who-ever He/She/It may be.

Just be sure YOU have nothing to hide.

[itlnstln]

Ah, the Voice of Reason has arrived.

[didjamatic]

There are no slaves in this World, there are no unjust Governments either, we are all born to be Eric Arthur Blair, but some people are more Eric Arthur Blair than others.

All Governments are corrupt in some form or another, some country kill their own Presidents, others sell their own people for body-parts, the people who made the film "Loose Change", the man who is "Five Hundred Miles From Home" et caetera, et caetera, et caetera.

There is no end to this KEY-BORED of discussions.

There is only one certainty, we will eventually end this sojourning and arrive at our destination to be greeted by our Maker, Who-ever He/She/It may be.

Just be sure YOU have nothing to hide.

[Nonmouse]

wage that's equivalent to 2 years of slave labour making lead toys, i don't know...most tibetan pray instead of work, and it's the chinese people that have to pay taxes so that the government can provide them with welfare.

Speaking of racist generalizations...

[itlnstln]

You know what?  People suck.  They're always talking and ****ing and reproducing and praying and living and beating each other up and killing each other and killing animals and making rules and yelling and building things and destroying things and fighting and blowing **** up and ****ting and pissing all over the place and eating and drinking and doing drugs and working and cheating and hating and...

The guy from the Matrix was right, people are just virii.

[itlnstln]

Wait, what's wrong with the f***ing thing again?

Exactly.

[itlnstln]

Ha!  Nice.

[ricercar]

The whole tooth fairy thing teaches children it's OK to sell body parts.

[wellington1869]

now you know how I felt when I first read that slave labour comment

You mean the "insult" you artificially made-up so you could expound on the greatness of the Fatherland while insulting white people? Yea, we got that.

[bigpook]

You know what?  People suck.  They're always talking and ****ing and reproducing and praying and living and beating each other up and killing each other and killing animals and making rules and yelling and building things and destroying things and fighting and blowing **** up and ****ting and pissing all over the place and eating and drinking and doing drugs and working and cheating and hating and...

The guy from the Matrix was right, people are just virii.

Right on, man, right on.

[kishy]

...and thats why we have ... uncensored media.

ahahahahahahahaha oh that's a good one.

[ch_123]

If the likes of Collateral Murder was published by a Chinese person in relation to something the Chinese government did, how long do you suppose they'd have to live?

People don't understand that there are degrees of things. Just because Fox or CNN is run by the big corporations and are basically are their propaganda machines doesn't automatically mean that America is comparable with China.

[kishy]

I didn't intend to imply it was quite to the same extent. By far, it is not.

[wellington1869]

You know what?  People suck.  

Yes they do. This is the problem: But some suck a lot more than others. In politics, as in sex, degree is everything.  And you dont have to be spotless yourself to recognize when someone's become dangerous.

See ch123? There's some "relativism" even I cant entertain. I dont know why people have such a hard time with the concept of degree, especially in politics. Anyone who equates the US (in politics, in media censorship, or anything else) with the soviets or the maoists or the taliban or the islamists is someone who's put their sense of discrimination (or of history), for whatever reason, directly into the toilet.

Its one thing to criticize the west -- westerners do that openly and loudly, thanks directly to the very system they live under which still values these things. (Just try that under the taliban (or any evangelicals) or under the soviets or the maoists).  Its quite another to pretend that therefore communism is the same as capitalism, totalitarianism is the same as representative democracy. No, it isnt. Never was. But the extremists want precisely such a loss of context.

[ricercar]

The Americans are fascists.

Still? I thought we were socialists now that we exchanged Bush for Obama.

[ch_123]

See ch123? There's some "relativism" even I cant entertain. I dont know why people have such a hard time with the concept of degree, especially in politics. Anyone who equates the US (in politics, in media censorship, or anything else) with the soviets or the maoists or the taliban or the islamists is someone who's put their sense of discrimination (or of history), for whatever reason, directly into the toilet.

I had to read that about three times to figure out whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with me =P

[bigpook]

Still? I thought we were socialists now that we exchanged Bush for Obama.

The claims of socialism are just a smoke screen. Wait till the Republican/Fascist get back in power and repeal all of the 'socialist' legislation.
Then we can get back to the real America. Corporations dictating to the government and big business writing the laws.

[kishy]

Can't forget hospitals ransacking your wallet before allowing you in.

[wellington1869]

At risk of bringing this back on topic, I heard back from Brandon at clickykeyboard who was kind enough to send me an amazingly quick reply. He says he probably has some original IBM receipts from the early/mid 80s which probably will have some specific information about original cost of the M keyboard.

Unfortunately it'll take him a month to get to them since they're stored off site.  I told him we'd be delighted with any info he can eventually provide us with.  So at the very least we may have a definitive answer in a month or so.

[ricercar]

Major computer makers such as HP, Dell, and Lenovo are motivated by profit, not quality. Part of profit is planned obsolescence, enforcing an upgrade every few years. A keyboard with 50 million key cycles runs counter to the upgrade/replacement business model, so they instead provide less-well-made boards for 500,000 key cycles.

If Apple had intended iPod batteries to last more than 18 months, or had made iPod batteries replaceable, do you think they would have sold so many iPods?

[ch_123]

In 1996 -

101/102-key Industrial Model M - $165
Industrial Model M13 - $260
Black M4-1 - $155

Sources - buried deep within IBM webpages from Archive.org