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[IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:04:20 »


The Minitomic is a 45% staggered keyboard which I've been working on over the last few months.
Before getting a prototype made and opening a group buy, I'd like to get your feedback on the design.

Some information:
- Tray mounted design with 8 mounting points
- High profile one piece anodized aluminium case
- QMK compatible PCB
- Brass or aluminium 1.5mm plate
- European switch spacingtm (19mm)
- USB-C Connector
- Angle of 5 degrees
- Capslock indicator under tab key
- Reset button under left shift key
- Fully designed by me ;D

Anodization colors are to be determined, but will likely include black, silver and dark gray.
The price will hopefully be around 100-150 USD for a kit which includes a case, pcb and plate.


Supported layouts
These are the supported layouts right now, but let me know if you think it's missing something! KLE link



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Thanks to janglad for the render at the top of this post :)
The keyset shown is DSA Just Beige by PrimeKB.
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:05:18 »
nice

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:07:19 »
I like it & that’s a great price!


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:08:49 »
19mm spacing will have some keycaps scratch each other, just look at the E6-V2.
There's a reason why that standard is in place.
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:11:10 »
in for one  ;D

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:13:29 »
19mm spacing will have some keycaps scratch each other, just look at the E6-V2.
There's a reason why that standard is in place.

That seems like an issue specific to that board. All OLKB stuff has 19mm spacing and I personally had a prototype manufactured recently that didn't have any issue like that, too.

Edit: Not to mention the 356mini, but those are tolerances that aren't easily achieved in manufacture.
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 11:23:26 »
45%? Staggered? 7u space option?

Guess I'll maybe be interested perhaps.

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 12:35:29 »

Guess I'll maybe be interested perhaps.


That has to be the most unhelpful and indecisive "interest" in a project!  :p


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 12:43:07 »
Color me interested. Looks great!!

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 12:52:21 »

Guess I'll maybe be interested perhaps.


That has to be the most unhelpful and indecisive "interest" in a project! 
Haha, he knows I'm in. I have a tendency to buy every staggered 40. An unfortunate consequence of being me.

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 12:58:03 »
Nice price point and I like the layout.  Only suggestion would be in one of the split space layouts, to swap the shift and left most FN to have the FN between the two “spaces”
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 14:19:00 »
Looks neat, interested if I have money when it happens. Would love to see the 7u option be 1.5/1.5/7/1.5/1.5 for that sweet, sweet symmetry and to me feels right to use 1.5s with 7u :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 15:46:36 »
Thanks for the feedback so far! I'm glad so many of you like it  :)

I've seen some interest in USB C though, is that something you guys want? I can definitely change that in the design.
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 16:14:36 »

Guess I'll maybe be interested perhaps.


That has to be the most unhelpful and indecisive "interest" in a project! 
Haha, he knows I'm in. I have a tendency to buy every staggered 40. An unfortunate consequence of being me.

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Chris, believe I will be joining too!!!


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 17:07:32 »
I've seen some interest in USB C though, is that something you guys want? I can definitely change that in the design.

Remember that only changing the connector will only work for USB-C to A but extra care is needed to ensure USB C to C works

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 17:15:45 »
I've seen some interest in USB C though, is that something you guys want? I can definitely change that in the design.

Remember that only changing the connector will only work for USB-C to A but extra care is needed to ensure USB C to C works

Yes, I am aware that I need to add some resistors :)

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 17:16:51 »
I am breaking my long tradition of lurking-only to voice my support.

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:26:47 »
I second USB C  :thumb:

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:53:07 »
I second USB C  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 20:00:19 »
USB C to A support is fine for a keyboard.

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 23:03:09 »
USB C, please.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 23:30:36 »
Nice price point and I like the layout.  Only suggestion would be in one of the split space layouts, to swap the shift and left most FN to have the FN between the two “spaces”
good idea. The left half of the split spacebar is quite short and far the the right (compared with the normal spacebars). Swapping positions with FN would definitely move it's position to a more convenient location.


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 03:47:58 »
Nice price point and I like the layout.  Only suggestion would be in one of the split space layouts, to swap the shift and left most FN to have the FN between the two “spaces”
good idea. The left half of the split spacebar is quite short and far the the right (compared with the normal spacebars). Swapping positions with FN would definitely move it's position to a more convenient location.
I put them where they are because the fn keys are closer to the thumbs, which is nice. I will also do USB-C :D

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 04:13:15 »
cant waitttttt

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 06:02:52 »
Nice price point and I like the layout.  Only suggestion would be in one of the split space layouts, to swap the shift and left most FN to have the FN between the two “spaces”
good idea. The left half of the split spacebar is quite short and far the the right (compared with the normal spacebars). Swapping positions with FN would definitely move it's position to a more convenient location.
I put them where they are because the fn keys are closer to the thumbs, which is nice. I will also do USB-C :D
Ye now having a keyboard in front of me, I agree. Position is fine, it looked just a bit off for me on the render. Still more layout options is always nice :3
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 08:37:04 »
I'm in for one, any limit on units?
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 09:04:01 »
I'm in for one, any limit on units?

Hopefully not :)

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 09:42:30 »
I am breaking my long tradition of lurking-only to voice my support.

Great, this will make up for the standard layout JD45 that I sold a while back & I’m glad you will be offering more than just black & silver cases!!!!


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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:16:39 »
Hi Leader,I really want this

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:25:11 »
1、minila layout
2、2.25,2.75 spaces
3、left side 1.25,1.25,1.25,increase availability, fault-tolerance
4、right side 1,1,1,1.25,
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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:30:56 »
And add brass weight versions please

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:44:09 »
1、minila layout
2、2.25,2.75 spaces
3、left side 1.25,1.25,1.25,including availability, fault-tolerance
4、right side 1,1,1,1.25,
Believe I saw some layouts that can help
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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:53:46 »
Hi Leader,I really want this

I have added it but needed to move the reset button to the left shift. Thanks for the suggestion :)

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:59:42 »
And add brass weight versions please
I will not do that because it will make the price higher, and this board is meant to be affordable.

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:10:02 »
what about electrophoresis white?

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:24:56 »
I would like increase badge or logo design

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:29:29 »
I would like increase badge or logo design
What do you mean by 'increase'?

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:38:51 »
I would like increase badge or logo design
What do you mean by 'increase'?

I hope the keyboard have a badge or nametag ;D ;D ;D

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:41:35 »
Looks great!  Count me in!

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[IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:59:07 »
maartenwut
PM’ed you, not sure if some of what was sent can increase the price you are going for, but hope it helps


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:22:03 »
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PM’ed you, not sure if some of what was sent can increase the price you are going for, but hope it helps


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It's unlikely it will increase the price, but I think that's a bit much of compatibility. I don't want to turn it into swiss cheese and I'm sorry I can't cover every layout.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:32:48 »
maartenwut
PM’ed you, not sure if some of what was sent can increase the price you are going for, but hope it helps


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It's unlikely it will increase the price, but I think that's a bit much of compatibility. I don't want to turn it into swiss cheese and I'm sorry I can't cover every layout.
Understood, figured it would help if had any other layout ideas.


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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 14:50:39 »
Nice price point and I like the layout.  Only suggestion would be in one of the split space layouts, to swap the shift and left most FN to have the FN between the two “spaces”
good idea. The left half of the split spacebar is quite short and far the the right (compared with the normal spacebars). Swapping positions with FN would definitely move it's position to a more convenient location.

I'm strongly against the idea of putting FN in the middle. I love split space, but small key in the middle forces a very unnatural wrist movement. When I had such a layout (DZ60 with 2.25, 1.25, 2.75 split space) it was so bad the middle key was basically unused.

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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 14:55:09 »
Alright, I finished routing the PCB today. Do note that this is not final  ;)

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 15:15:10 »
Alright, I finished routing the PCB today. Do note that this is not final  ;)

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Nice, I like it!


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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 15:28:44 »
Alright, I finished routing the PCB today. Do note that this is not final  ;)

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Nice, I like it!


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I'll probably slap some silkscreen art on it too, have to decide what exactly

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 16:53:35 »
Alright, I finished routing the PCB today. Do note that this is not final  ;)

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Nice, I like it!


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I'll probably slap some silkscreen art on it too, have to decide what exactly
Great, can you provide us w/ your silkscreen ideas or do we have to wait & see?


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Re: [IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 17:01:27 »
Alright, I finished routing the PCB today. Do note that this is not final  ;)

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Nice, I like it!


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I'll probably slap some silkscreen art on it too, have to decide what exactly
Great, can you provide us w/ your silkscreen ideas or do we have to wait & see?


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I got nothing yet unfortunately. Suggestions are welcome ;)

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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 17:20:18 »
What theme do you want?


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[IC] Minitomic (45% staggered keyboard)
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 18:19:03 »
Believe this is the best bet, an image of the available layouts on the PCB


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