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Offline chowbabyloving

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #400 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 00:16:29 »
Got my shipping notice today. Black w/rose gold full plate.

Looks like only rose gold boards are shipping out.

Offline lac29

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #401 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 16:59:40 »
Photos using indoor plant lights (more white than orange compared to normal bulbs). Not bad at all. Color matching reasonable and only somewhat noticeable under certain lighting or angles. There are machine marks on the Xeno logo inside the case on the weight as well as outside the case on the weight. Inside logo marks are more noticeable than the ones on the outside. I did not include the photo of this since I took it on my smartphone but I posted it in the Xeno discord. I have yet to open it up and look closely for any problems inside the case or in the screw holes.

https://imgur.com/a/PQDk9bY

Offline DukeEsquire

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #402 on: Tue, 28 January 2020, 17:01:42 »
Photos using indoor plant lights (more white than orange compared to normal bulbs). Not bad at all. Color matching reasonable and only somewhat noticeable under certain lighting or angles. There are machine marks on the Xeno logo inside the case on the weight as well as outside the case on the weight. Inside logo marks are more noticeable than the ones on the outside. I did not include the photo of this since I took it on my smartphone but I posted it in the Xeno discord. I have yet to open it up and look closely for any problems inside the case or in the screw holes.

https://imgur.com/a/PQDk9bY

That actually looks fine.

Color matching isn't perfect, but not a nightmare like some of the other boards we've seen.

Offline skwrn

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #403 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 05:46:09 »
Almost one year passed since my order, still no update...

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #404 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 10:38:30 »
Almost one year passed since my order, still no update...

Your best bet is to join the Zeal discord server.  From what I understand, the person who has taken over doing QC is actively updating what colors and when they are shipped.


Also, I want to reconfirm the use of VIA.  A couple people have had issues with using the incorrect hex and VIA not detecting.  Be sure to grab the latest version of VIA from here and also the correct WT75-a firmware from this page.

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #405 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 11:00:32 »
Quote from: Pwner

Also, I want to reconfirm the use of VIA.  A couple people have had issues with using the incorrect hex and VIA not detecting.  Be sure to grab the latest version of VIA from here and also the correct WT75-a firmware from this page.

It will be useful in the future. Thanks!

Offline Damage

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #406 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 11:02:47 »
BTW, Pwn3r, great job on the design.

I got mine, built it, and have been enjoying it. It's like B-stock quality overall, but the design of the keyboard is fantastic. Sound and feel are excellent. The layout is also just about the perfect medium for me in terms of size, aesthetics, and utility.

Offline StrangPrisoner

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #407 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 20:55:01 »
Got my black & rose gold Xeno. I think My PVD and machining is better than some but it's still disappointing. Color matching is off but doesn't bother me much. The smudges all cleaned up well enough but there are a lot of scratches. Added pictures though I am no photographer.

Offline ian13

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #408 on: Thu, 20 February 2020, 23:54:31 »
It's like kbdfans quality but with a premium price tag. I would think kbdfans are even better.
I'm disappointed with what I received for the price that I paid.

Offline DukeEsquire

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #409 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 11:33:35 »
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.

Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.

Offline pixelpusher

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #410 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 13:51:44 »
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.

Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.

But the monstar boards have crappy stabilizers (with no option to swap) and no QMK. 

Offline bobgr8

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #411 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 14:21:47 »
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.

Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.

But the monstar boards have crappy stabilizers (with no option to swap) and no QMK.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/evj1an/one_of_the_reason_using_brass_plate/ffyfi0w/

its coming



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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #412 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 15:52:10 »
Ne silver Xenos avail

Offline pixelpusher

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #413 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 16:30:18 »
Pretty disappointing quality given the premium price.

Especially when you compare to what Monstar was offering for an in-stock item for 3/4 of the cost.

But the monstar boards have crappy stabilizers (with no option to swap) and no QMK.


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/evj1an/one_of_the_reason_using_brass_plate/ffyfi0w/

its coming

Well, that's quite nice.  Love their RGB stuff.  Not sure how they'll accomplish that in QMK.  Maybe just something more simple for the QMK port.

Offline pixelpusher

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #414 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 16:31:12 »
Ne silver Xenos avail

Did you see the one posted in discord? 

https://imgur.com/a/LrdiQEK

Can't wait for mine to get here.  Well... I've waited a year.  What am I saying?  Of course I can wait.

Offline donut_sauce

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #415 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 17:16:15 »
Ne silver Xenos avail

Did you see the one posted in discord? 

https://imgur.com/a/LrdiQEK

Can't wait for mine to get here.  Well... I've waited a year.  What am I saying?  Of course I can wait.
Same . Waiting for my Xeno and waiting for my 280, which will come first...

Offline StrangPrisoner

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #416 on: Fri, 21 February 2020, 18:17:52 »
Same . Waiting for my Xeno and waiting for my 280, which will come first...
For what it's worth I got my 280 and the QC was much better. Still waiting on my 220 in the second batch though...
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Offline FactoryDefaults

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #417 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 09:14:59 »
Selling my spot, all black full plate + 65g zealios package. Order says rose gold but changed to black while GB was running. DM me.

https://i.imgur.com/a18y5nc.png

Offline fcnchuck

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #418 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 12:49:10 »
Ne silver Xenos avail

Did you see the one posted in discord? 

https://imgur.com/a/LrdiQEK

Can't wait for mine to get here.  Well... I've waited a year.  What am I saying?  Of course I can wait.

Waiting for silver as well. I like the way the silver turned out. I have seen mention of people putting inlay on the backplate to hide potential machine marks left in the logo. What is the process for this? What materials are used?

Offline Damage

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #419 on: Mon, 24 February 2020, 14:00:23 »
Uh oh. My Xeno is down. Worked fine for a couple of weeks.

Now, when I hit backspace, I get: `12345
Up arrow produces: ZXCVBN

Tried an EEPROM reset and a QMK re-flash, no change.

I suppose the board is fried due to ESD?

Offline regionfree

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #420 on: Tue, 25 February 2020, 01:36:26 »
Uh oh. My Xeno is down. Worked fine for a couple of weeks.

Now, when I hit backspace, I get: `12345
Up arrow produces: ZXCVBN

Tried an EEPROM reset and a QMK re-flash, no change.

I suppose the board is fried due to ESD?

i think the PCB was manufactured by wilba

Offline ReAvenger

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #421 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 07:37:32 »
Finally received by Black + PVD Rose Gold Plate.
PCB A+
Case outside B, one small nick on back, few minute scratches in ano, top and bottom pretty similar blacks
Case inside C-, rust in screw holes, 4 scrapes into anodization, dust piles and build up
Plates & Weight B-, scuffs on back of plate, one corner of weight not round, tons of machining marks up close.

Better than vaporware, but only just a little.

Offline skwrn

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #422 on: Mon, 09 March 2020, 12:45:37 »
Finally received by Black + PVD Rose Gold Plate.
PCB A+
Case outside B, one small nick on back, few minute scratches in ano, top and bottom pretty similar blacks
Case inside C-, rust in screw holes, 4 scrapes into anodization, dust piles and build up
Plates & Weight B-, scuffs on back of plate, one corner of weight not round, tons of machining marks up close.

Better than vaporware, but only just a little.

Are you going to complain to Zeal about it? Sounds like something that should never be out for the sale. Rust in keyboard parts? It looks like you've been scammed.

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #423 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 00:53:22 »
For those that haven't been frequenting the Discord I have taken over the packing/ QC of the boards. I am giving consistent updates as to what colorways, and the quantities that we are shipping out.

Offline thornkin

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #424 on: Sat, 04 April 2020, 17:25:58 »
I built my Xeno and found the ping factor a bit high. I ordered some 12" wide 1/8" thick neoprene from Amazon. Fit perfectly and really helps reduce the ping.  I hope some others can benefit from this.

Offline skwrn

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #425 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 02:37:14 »
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.

Offline chowbabyloving

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #426 on: Thu, 25 June 2020, 04:45:58 »
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.

I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.

There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently.  The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.

Offline skwrn

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #427 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 01:33:18 »
An update from Zeal. He can't even get samples from manu since MARCH.

Offline MTXjunkie

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #428 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 08:56:00 »
Oof! Im sorry to hear that some of you are still waiting. I thought this was done. This is awful.


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Offline etong415

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #429 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 09:54:24 »
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.

I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.

There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently.  The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
This is Fing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so Im usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xenos supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?


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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #430 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 13:08:04 »
Believe it or not, I have 3 GBs that are ongoing which have taken substantially longer than this one.  So, its not all that crazy.  I mean, its totally crazy, but just not as crazy as one might think. 

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #431 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 15:06:40 »
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.

I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.

There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently.  The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
This is Fing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so Im usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xenos supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?


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Yeah, two years is pretty bad, I agree, but I work in hardware too, and what you have to remember is most people on here don't and have no idea what they are doing. Sure you or me could **** out a polished mass produced product in 8 months with a lot of funding, or prototype level thing like most stuff on here is in a few months, but people who don't know what they are doing will take much much longer.
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Offline DukeEsquire

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #432 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 16:04:37 »
I can't believe the quality of this product and how much it's going for on /r/mm. I guess the Zeal name goes a long way.

The machining quality is basically on par with a run of the mill $300 keyboard.

This doesn't look any better than a Monstargear keyboard.

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #433 on: Wed, 15 July 2020, 16:08:12 »
I am still waiting for my Xeno. Honestly, I won't ever buy anything from Zeal and I will discourage others from doing so.
He is wiping his face with the Chinese manufacturers and as a customer, I don't care. He wanted to go cheap and he ****ed up. Zeal should admit the mistake and find a manufacturer for the rest of the orders in a country, where you don't wait 1.5 years for an order that is arriving in a terrible finish.
The argument that this is how it is in this community is below any level self-respect. A normal company (which Zeal Generation Inc. is) would just give back the money to customers and apologize.

I don't think this is an issue about Chinese manufacturers as a whole, it's an issue with the specific Chinese manufacturer chosen and Zeal is now supposed to switching to a new manufacturer.

There are plenty of companies that use Chinese manufacturer and do not have excessive delays, as far as I know Keycult and Rama use Chinese manufacturing, with Keycult going local USA in house manufacturer and going to Salvun recently.  The actual Chinese keyboard makers like Gray Studio, Percent Studios, Exclusive, Fox Labs and Matrix Lab seem to be able to produce good products without anything beyond the usual group buy and/or COVID-19 related delays.
This is Fing ridiculous, mindblowing incompetence. I work in hardware, so Im usually understanding when things get delayed. But so many GBs have come and gone since Xenos supposed ship date. Are we going to make it to the 2 year mark in delays, Zeal?


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Yeah, two years is pretty bad, I agree, but I work in hardware too, and what you have to remember is most people on here don't and have no idea what they are doing. Sure you or me could **** out a polished mass produced product in 8 months with a lot of funding, or prototype level thing like most stuff on here is in a few months, but people who don't know what they are doing will take much much longer.
I agree, which is why Im usually understanding when GB runners experience delays. But I went with someone like Zeal because theyre not exactly new in the game. I dont expect product on the level of something backed by a team of experienced engineers, but I did expect them to be as good as some of the other high end GB runners in the community


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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #434 on: Tue, 21 July 2020, 18:25:56 »
Looking to buy a spot if anyone doesn't want to wait anymore.

Offline andrewregal

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #435 on: Tue, 21 July 2020, 18:36:04 »
It looks like I somehow got really lucky with this buy, I got my purple xeno back in August and my case doesn't have nearly as many issues as the photos I've seen here. Unfortunately my PCB seems to have died on me. So if anyone who hasn't received their order yet and has an extra PCB they're willing to let go of, please lmk!

It's really a shame how much has gone wrong with this gb. I personally have actually very much enjoyed this board

Offline skwrn

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Re: [GB] XENO | 75% Custom Keyboard
« Reply #436 on: Mon, 27 July 2020, 12:08:35 »
I'm sorry to hear you are also waiting for your Xeno.
There is no excuse for Zeal actions, especially (as was said by etong415) that he seems to be an experienced seller in the community.

I probably wouldn't be that angry and disappointed, if Zeal was even 10% as transparent and active about the info as Ellipse with his F62 and F77 keyboards. Ellipse is a role model about the prolonging group buy - very informative, shares lots of photos, even suggests faster shipping of keyboards without keycaps so people don't have to wait (and with an additional payment for the shipping he will send keycaps separately when they will be ready).

So yeah, it's like heaven and hell, when I compare Ellipse and Zeal.