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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 19:59:26 »
For me, at least, it allows me to shift backspace down a row.  It’s a small first step in moving your most used keys closer to the home row. It’s also a very easy change to get used to :)

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 23:40:32 »
Split backspace is not having backspace in two separate keys.
In split backspace, backspace key becomes 2 1U keys (which I usually bind to \ and `) and \ becomes replaced with backspace.
Thus we have additional 1 more key and backspace is easier to reach (I hit with my pinky).

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 23:43:32 »
Any Mac owner (myself included) would appreciate Option (A)’s alignment of the Command Key with the right of the X key. It’s perfect!


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Option A with split backspace! will not ask for more!  :-*
Indeed the Option A is just perfect for Mac users (like me). I think it is a must buy for me.

Hotswap will be nice too, but not mandatory.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 01:29:17 »
yess;

also split backspace

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:13:30 »
Awesome design and feature set, this is definitely grail tier. A few questions:

-Price estimate? Hopefully less than the VEA
-Any chance for a blocker on the left side of the arrow cluster (.25u I think)? I'd be in 100% for that.
-will the diffuser be visible with an aluminum bottom, and is it visible around the entire perimeter of the board?

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 02:28:05 »
Definitely interested in this!

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 10:29:03 »
Can someone convince me about a split backspace? I’ve not used one before, but I can’t imagine having a second button where my backspace should be.

I definitely want split backspace too.

For me, HHKB layout has made me appreciate backspace being where |\ is located, as it's a more natural and easy reach, at least for me. Then |\ being on the left split of the backspace, and Delete being on right split of it. Besides that, I think it just looks better. More consistent with the left side of the board.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:19:26 »
split backspace please,  I hope this keeb will work with a macbook.

Can someone convince me about a split backspace? I’ve not used one before, but I can’t imagine having a second button where my backspace should be.

I am not used to it either. I've seen people put backspace in the \ spot

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 04:26:25 »
split backspace please,  I hope this keeb will work with a macbook.

Can someone convince me about a split backspace? I’ve not used one before, but I can’t imagine having a second button where my backspace should be.

I am not used to it either. I've seen people put backspace in the \ spot

I'm one of those people. For me it's not so much about having 2 keys on the backspace spot, although on my YAS (60%) it's usefull to have a dedicated delete key. What I mostly like about it though is backspace on the \ position. On boards that don't have split backspace I swap them around as well and just ignore what's on the caps.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 19 January 2019, 17:43:23 »
split backspace please,  I hope this keeb will work with a macbook.

Can someone convince me about a split backspace? I’ve not used one before, but I can’t imagine having a second button where my backspace should be.

I am not used to it either. I've seen people put backspace in the \ spot

I'm one of those people. For me it's not so much about having 2 keys on the backspace spot, although on my YAS (60%) it's usefull to have a dedicated delete key. What I mostly like about it though is backspace on the \ position. On boards that don't have split backspace I swap them around as well and just ignore what's on the caps.

Makes sense. I used truefox layout with delete in place of \ for about 2 weeks and not used to it :(

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 19 January 2019, 18:48:02 »
Like others said split backspace but I am pretty damn interested in this, regardless. 

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 18:53:43 »
Current votes, Sirius is looking into the many text box comments about additional feedback. Will ask him to come to GH to discuss.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:01:01 »
Option B is the one with 2x 3U SPACEBARS? And this is the prevailing poll winner!?

Good luck getting support from your GMK sets on that.

Current votes, Sirius is looking into the many text box comments about additional feedback. Will ask him to come to GH to discuss.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:11:34 »
Option B is the one with 2x 3U SPACEBARS? And this is the prevailing poll winner!?

Good luck getting support from your GMK sets on that.

Current votes, Sirius is looking into the many text box comments about additional feedback. Will ask him to come to GH to discuss.

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Yeah, that's got to be a mistake.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 20:15:32 »
Very surprising... A and C seem perfectly workable, whereas B seems to be almost impossible to outfit.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 20:33:12 »
I honestly wouldn't get this if that's the layout that prevails. I've invested so much in my GMK sets that I wouldn't get a kit that wouldn't let me use them.

I think SA and PBT users would have better luck getting those 3u spacebars.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:10:29 »
This is unexpected result.  :'(

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:36:10 »
2x 3u is completely unacceptable and should not even be a layout a serious designer should be considering for their split spacebar board(s) right now.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 00:08:47 »
I think A and B got swapped. Hard to believe. Would be even harder to fill than the normal split.
Would not buy.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 02:03:15 »
I too will cry about Option B layout.

Option A’s spacebar size and it’s command key placement was such a winning combo.

Who out there voted for B? There are a lot of you who voted for it (Either that or it was one person voting multiple times?). Convince us why it is the preferred size. And would you accept Option A as a decent compromise? Because by the looks of it, some people aren’t willing to accept Option B at all.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 02:22:25 »
Hopefully it was a mistake I strongly disagree with option B and would not buy.
The only set I know that would fit is the recent ePBT Grayscale which has 2u lshift and 3u spacebar (unless you want to mix n match different keysets which super ugly).
To those picked B, could you please name keysets that has 2u and 3u spacebar keycaps? (or to some extent, non spacebar keys, because putting non spacebar keycaps in spacebar keys is a blaspehmy)

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 11:43:56 »
Perhaps they voted B without realizing how difficult would be to find 3u blank keys?
MT3 tty set has 3u blanks, but I didn't order them, of course.

I haven't seen any GMK set that has 3u blank keys.    Option B is absolute fail LOL
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:19:31 »
EPBT BoW and the KPRepublic PBT kits also include 3u spacebars, but in general the compatibility just isn't there yet.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 07:25:09 »
Hopefully it was a mistake I strongly disagree with option B and would not buy.
The only set I know that would fit is the recent ePBT Grayscale which has 2u lshift and 3u spacebar (unless you want to mix n match different keysets which super ugly).
To those picked B, could you please name keysets that has 2u and 3u spacebar keycaps? (or to some extent, non spacebar keys, because putting non spacebar keycaps in spacebar keys is a blaspehmy)
Sorry if someone get confused over this, was thinking the space keys were 2u and 3u.
My point still stands, though.
Not enough compatibility.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 18:49:22 »
Option B is the one with 2x 3U SPACEBARS? And this is the prevailing poll winner!?

Good luck getting support from your GMK sets on that.

Current votes, Sirius is looking into the many text box comments about additional feedback. Will ask him to come to GH to discuss.

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as the designer of this, i will say the 3U option is the most beautiful layout IMO, but the 3U space bar make me abandon it.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:01:38 »
Most people who vote for the option B is for the 1.25X modifier keys.
After discussion, we made a improved option D like this.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:16:55 »
Nice bottom row on that Option D.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 22:50:48 »
Updated Option D in both the original post and survey

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 00:35:32 »
Let's go option D

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 01:37:00 »
I'm actually going for option A. Not sure I'm ready for 4x 1.25 keys on the left side.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 02:25:44 »
Option D is better, but not exactly my liking.
Probably make one of the left modifier to be 1u so that the left space is 2.25u? (for GMK compatibility because 2u GMK key is not often)

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 02:28:49 »
Option D is better, but not exactly my liking.
Probably make one of the left modifier to be 1u so that the left space is 2.25u? (for GMK compatibility because 2u GMK key is not often)

Agree. Needs to be both 2.25 and 2.75 for the bigger bottom row keys.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 03:43:12 »
Four mods and a 2u/2.75u spacebar? Will this really be nice to type on? I’m asking to be convinced.

Option A is still great in my eyes. Best spacebar compatibility. And the mods are great for Mac users.


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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 06:01:08 »
Option D is better, but not exactly my liking.
Probably make one of the left modifier to be 1u so that the left space is 2.25u? (for GMK compatibility because 2u GMK key is not often)

like this?

but the option A looks better.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 07:55:16 »
Option D is better, but not exactly my liking.
Probably make one of the left modifier to be 1u so that the left space is 2.25u? (for GMK compatibility because 2u GMK key is not often)

like this?

but the option A looks better.
Most of custom split keyboard I see (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because splits is kinda a niche layout) have another key in between the spacebar.
I have three splits, both of them has 1U in between the space keys and one of them not (this is one is mass manufactured, if I have the chance to have a key in between the spacebar, I would).

In my opinion, the reasons for this are:
  • The lower right of the left side of the split keyboard is where the natural thumb rests. If we have two keys easily reachable, it's more ergonomic. If all the modifiers on the left split are all on the left of the spacebar, your left thumb will travel more
  • Since both of my splits are using Bootmapper, double action (FN/SPACE in one key) is not available or reliable enough. Thus having individual keys for FN and Spacebar is preferred.  This related to number 1 since it's more ergonomic to have two keys near.
  • Since not all people use the same hand for hitting the space (I personally use my right thumb when typing, and left thumb while gaming, obviously) I personally don't expect all of the people binds their space keys with space and FN. For me I bind both space keys with space. Thus having an extra key for FN is preferred

And again, this purely my opinion and does not represents major users of split keyboards.
Another thing to keep in mind since it will use QMK, I heard good things with the double action (FN/space) feature. Can someone chime in?
So option D would not be a dealbreaker for me.

In my opinion for the layouts,
This post > Option A (because standard 2.25u and 2.75 space keys) > Option D.
Other options, I would not buy, sorry.

So it would look like this (sorry for the lazy layout...) for the left side bottom row.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:16:39 »
That's what I would do was well. 3x 1.25, the 2.25 space and a 1u on the outer edge.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 08:19:18 »
1u on the outer edge is definitely the best. 4 modifiers in a row on the left is weird and will move the spacebar too far to the right.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 09:32:43 »
I really hope a layout with no gmk support doesn't win out here. Might I suggest you restart that poll with option D included, but with a lockdown of one vote per ip/google login? I suspect one person with a lot of love for 3u spacebar may be behind the stacking/trolling many votes for option B. I think that because 15 minutes of my free time and curiosity resulted in this shift:211238-0

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:54:33 »
I'm aware that the keyboard supports wireless connection, but can I use cable connection nonetheless? I'm kinda worried about the wireless latency coz I play games quite often.

Also may I ask what price point are we looking at?
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #89 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 22:11:37 »
Just so everyone knows: "linyaofred" is the designer, a.k.a. Sirius in discord.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 22:13:16 »
I'm aware that the keyboard supports wireless connection, but can I use cable connection nonetheless? I'm kinda worried about the wireless latency coz I play games quite often.

Also may I ask what price point are we looking at?

Based on the UniGo66 experience, there is no latency basically. We will find out soon what solution Sirius (linyaofred in GH) is going to use for this, most likely a better one I would assume if he is going to switch to another solution.

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #91 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 15:14:43 »
Duplicate post. My bad.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #92 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 15:15:21 »
This post > Option A (because standard 2.25u and 2.75 space keys) > Option D.
Other options, I would not buy, sorry.

cyriously's post and Option A are best imo. D looks good but 2u spacebar would kill me on compatibility.

As far as I can tell, cyriously's is the same as top one KaosJ posted. It looks great:

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In any case, 100% want split spacebar.

Agree on poll reset with ip/Google lock.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 15:26:24 »
This post > Option A (because standard 2.25u and 2.75 space keys) > Option D.
Other options, I would not buy, sorry.

cyriously's post and Option A are best imo. D looks good but 2u spacebar would kill me on compatibility.

As far as I can tell, cyriously's is the same as top one KaosJ posted. It looks great:

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In any case, 100% want split spacebar.

Agree on poll reset with ip/Google lock.

Will look into the ip/google lock thing. Also will talk to Sirius. I am sure he wants the best for you guys

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 15:35:54 »
So it would look like this (sorry for the lazy layout...) for the left side bottom row.

Throwing in my +1 for this layout on the left bottom row!

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 15:57:33 »
Will look into the ip/google lock thing. Also will talk to Sirius. I am sure he wants the best for you guys

Thanks! Also I meant to say I 100% want split backspace haha.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 23:58:59 »
would like to make the layout like this.
two types of PCB with different mod keys, and with the same case.
all come with split backspace.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 00:39:47 »
would like to make the layout like this.
two types of PCB with different mod keys, and with the same case.
all come with split backspace.

Perfect.
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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 01:50:33 »
would like to make the layout like this.
two types of PCB with different mod keys, and with the same case.
all come with split backspace.

Love it

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Re: [IC] Uni660 — wireless split by Sirius (Updated Features & Layout Poll)
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 07:11:18 »
would like to make the layout like this.
two types of PCB with different mod keys, and with the same case.
all come with split backspace.

Thanks for keeping Option A.

May I ask once more for some space before the arrows? I guess I can solve it myself by omitting the control_right. I’d prefer to feel a distinct left edge with my index finger.