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Offline vosechu

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[IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:38:52 »
This is an interest check for this set:


Sign up here: https://goo.gl/forms/AQxKmSBRU941Rcxh2

Background Story

My wife and I joke that she's a fish and I'm a bird; and when I think wistfully of the freedom of flight, I think about that beautiful blue of a sunny day and those fluffy clouds. This is the set that speaks to me.

For years I have been trying to cobble this set together from other sets. I have always loved sets like SA Cyan and Pulse, but Maxkeys doesn't do Ortho layouts and Pulse has black text on the keys and no white modifiers. And there might be a combination, but it's probably too expensive and let's be honest, new GBs are fun!

Recently, I acquired a Cyanara Shishi and I realized that I needed to make this happen. So I sent a message to Melissa at SP and she thought that my set idea was not just doable, but doable in a shortish timeframe.

This spurred me on to create the IC:


5 months ago I started a project to identify common ortho layouts https://old.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/97kncp/common_ortho_layouts/, so this has been on my mind for a long time. This is a fairly minimal layout, but I believe it covers almost every sub-60% ortho/ergo board that I could find. Ergonomics is really important to me, but it must come with beauty as well or people will not use it.

KLE layout in hand, I used CQ_cumbers' awesome kle-render and finally kbrenders.com to get a better picture of what I was working towards.

Compatibility

Set includes compatibility for:

  • Planck/Preonic/Helix/Let's Split/Iris/*
  • Atreus/Atreus62/Laptreus
  • Many others

But to keep costs low and timelines short, the set does not include compatibility for:
  • Ergodoxen
  • Zen/Sol/Hotdox/*
  • However, since we're using standard SP colors, blanks might not be too hard to get. Let me know if it would change your order!

If you want to order blanks, I'll keep these updated: the currently planned colors are WFK (white) and BBQ (teal blue).

Visibility

WCAG contrast visibility: 2.32.

I really wanted to get to 3.0, but I couldn't find a standard SP blue that felt right that satisfied that contrast. My family tends to go blind later in life, so this is something I care deeply about.

Let me know if this is critical to you and I'll try to accommodate!

Pricing

MOQ is 25, though the price break between 25 and 50 is dramatic.

WARNING: These prices extremely provisional! It is 100% going to be different for the GB, but I will always reveal my math to you

The Math: (Price from SP * expected number of orders + 10% to cover damage, returns, etc. + 1 set for me as payment for shipping and GB logistics) / expected number of orders.

Note how there is nothing in there about me making money except possibly a little dosh by selling the 1-2 extras if those aren't needed. But it seems incredibly unlikely that those sets will survive in tact, most likely they will be missing keys or something and won't be sellable at all. Therefore I have added 1 kit in for myself as payment.

With that in mind, here's the current WAG costs:
  • 25 orders: $78.22+shipping/set [67.43*(25+3+1)/25]
  • 50 orders: $60.31+shipping/set [53.85*(50+5+1)/50]
  • 75 orders: $55.23+shipping/set [49.32*(75+8+1)/75]
  • ... Let's worry about this if the IC indicates we need to. Things get more wiggly around here because I may not be able to do this without help.

Shipping

Currently I am only planning on doing CONUS shipping via USPS flat rate boxes. Generally this will be between $7-15. This amount will be in addition to the cost of the keys.

Next steps

  • 1/27 - I plan to collect interest and make amendments for about 1 month (assuming there aren't huge changes that need doing)
  • 2/7(ish) - I'll update this post with color chips from SP to make sure people know exactly what to expect.
  • 2/9-2/24 - I will be traveling, but I'll have friends looking after this thread and adjusting if needed.
  • 2/25-3/11 - I'll post the GB and run it for 2 weeks. Currently this is a small GB, so I'm not worried about needing a logistics vendor, but if there's huge interest I'll reach out to Novelkeys, TKC, or one of the many, many other excellent vendors out there that do this for a living!
  • 3/12 - All payments must be in by this point.
  • 3/12 - I'll submit the order to SP and start production. Last quote was about 12 weeks, but I'm a stickler about color so I want to see this before the whole job is done even if it takes a bit longer.
  • TBD - Delivery to me/vendor/proxies for distribution
  • TBD - Delivered to you!
  • TBD+1month - Extras to cover returns will be put up for sale or raffled

Offline maartenwut

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:43:24 »
Looks great, I like it! No international shipping or proxies?

Offline vosechu

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:56:08 »
Looks great, I like it! No international shipping or proxies?

No proxies yet. I didn't think this would have the kind of wide-spread interest, but let me know if you think it's something I should be supporting! My honest hope is to make MOQ. I believe that the loss between IC and people plonking money down is so great that it's going to take a lot of votes for me to believe that I wouldn't just be sending 2 sets to the uk or something. But I've been wrong so many times in this life and I would be ecstatic to be wrong about this! :)

Who have you worked with in the past for EU proxies? I could reach out to them now and inquire.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:58:31 »
I assume that this will be Otho boards only. Is Adding support for 60% boards possible?

Offline MinaDarsh

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:58:42 »
Looks great, I like it! No international shipping or proxies?

I second this, also for the Netherlands, been on the look out for an adorable set and this is it, really love it.

(Did fill out a form, where I ask this too in the 'anything I should know' section.)

Edit: Was still typing as you answered, seen it, consider this an extra international interest in the set.
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:00:53 by MinaDarsh »

Offline maartenwut

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:59:17 »
Personally I'm a fan of Mechboards.co.uk and MyKeyboard.eu. :thumb:

Offline vosechu

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:30:21 »
Thank you both! Iíll contact them presently.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:39:01 »
Awesome compatibility for the price. Sign me up!

Offline vosechu

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:42:07 »
Awesome compatibility for the price. Sign me up!

Iím so glad! Is there anything in particular that makes it work for you?

I have an atreus, so itís always been a sore spot that I have to get the ergodox kit just for 1.5u blanks!

Also, what are you planning for the right side? I had a heck of a time figuring out what all should fit there. Qmk was helpful, but I still have a super limited sample size. :)

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:52:58 »
Looks good. Count me in.

Offline kmfmppl

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 02:15:17 »
+1 interest for EU proxie  :) would like to put this on a helix.

Offline MinaDarsh

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 03:45:03 »
By the way, will the Space bar be convex shaped?

(Doesn't always seem to be the case with this layout.)

Offline vosechu

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 09:06:55 »
By the way, will the Space bar be convex shaped?

I asked about that and she said the tooling doesnít exist yet. In this case, unlike novelties, it would cost multiple thousands of dollars to get that. But she did say theyíre hearing a lot of interest in it and are thinking about adding it to their roadmap. Probably prudent for us to not hold our collective breath for now. :)

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 10:58:37 »
Looks great!

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 12:14:40 »
Not buying any more sets ATM since Ice Cap just came back in stock and my wallet hates me. This set looks great though, good luck!

Offline Hedgey

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 16:51:55 »
I said this on reddit, but I really love the extra layout coverage because it includes the 1.5U or 1.25U for Corne/CRKBD boards or other orthos with slightly larger keys.  Plus it's gonna look great with Glass Green acrylic.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 19:55:31 »
If a real Aussie proxy can't happen I could do reasonable impersonation

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 06:26:45 »
Love the colors of this set. I'm interested in this.  I don't even have an ortholinear keyboard  yet but plan on getting one to try out.  It would be amazing to hit that 50 MOQ so I don't know the likelihood. I will probably join GB to support this. I don't know how SP works but I'm guessing because of the 25 MOQ these are not custem colors, or does SP not work that way?

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 10:18:03 »
Any chance of Colevrak kit or maybe go full R3?

Offline Tefrem34

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 10:26:09 »
It is in the IC link for a Colemak/Dvorak option.

Offline vosechu

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 16:48:50 »
Any chance of Colevrak kit or maybe go full R3?

Yep! Iím going to put up a second ic with all r3 once I get back from vacation. /me ducks out again!

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 21:01:40 »
Like the color.
Is it the same as gmk cyan?

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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 19 February 2019, 21:31:34 »
Like the color.
Is it the same as gmk cyan?

if it's based on the cyanara shishi, then ideally yes
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Re: [IC] SP SA Fluffy Clouds
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 20 February 2019, 07:16:07 »
Like the color.
Is it the same as gmk cyan?

if it's based on the cyanara shishi, then ideally yes

Iíll post some photos of the samples that sp sent when Iím back from vacation. The samples arrived basically as I left for the plane. :)