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Offline EverythingIBM

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« on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 17:01:01 »
http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-Model-M-4-1-Space-Saver-Trackpoint-Keyboard-NIB_W0QQitemZ270578332000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item3effb9b160

Not bad. That would be kind of cool actually. But I don't need more keyboards unless I get them for free.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 17:16:35 »
$28 shipping? WTF? I can barely accept $20.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 18:13:33 »
That's a great price, and it even comes with the optional keypad!

I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but I already have both flavors of the M4 (with and without trackpoint) and don't feel like spending the money to get the keypad.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 18:19:35 »
Nice deal. Shame how mediocre they are.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 18:38:11 »
So close, so close...

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 19:36:59 »
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Nice deal. Shame how mediocre they are.

True, but they are fun to type on compared to a standard rubber dome. The keys have a lot of 'snap' to them thanks to the sleeves. Build quality seems all over the place, though. The Lexmark built board I have is in great shape, but the Unicomp one I have is terrible. Both were new when I bought them (but no box, sadly).

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 20:49:04 »
mmmm yummy.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 21:33:51 »
Well I hope someone here wins them.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 21:35:36 »
Still 4 days to go, wonder how much It will be finally
I might pay 100$ for M4
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 22:18:12 »
The lexmark ones are definitely better.  Note, the "buckling rubber sleeves" do wear out.  But you can get replacement ones from Unicomp fairly cheaply.  

Apparently, this seller isn't aware that all NIB M4/M4-1's are to be sent directly to me.

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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 22:31:56 »
iMav, if you keep this up you're going to have to change your name to iNIB.
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 23:16:56 »
Collecting M4's is a bit of an obsession.  But, for the most part, I like to buy NIB...but don't keep much NIB.  I like to use them.  

I go through cycles where I'll buy a bunch of new 'boards...and then eventually give several away and sell others.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 03:46:17 »
Quote from: webwit;182790
He's also selling this item. Someone will probably hate me for this:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-Model-M-Enhanced-101-key-Keyboard-NIB-1989_W0QQitemZ270578326554QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs


Beautiful.  1989 and 1990 were good years for the Model M.

I have a June 1989 1391401 and a March 1990 1394540 Model M that actually has a speaker behind the speaker grill.  They are both very solid, rivets and all.

I'm very tempted to see how a never-before-used classic black label Model M compares to my used ones.  That board just might have to be sniped  :)
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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 05:48:32 »
Random thought: The 51G', which was a black labeled Lexmark with a speaker (for the RS/6000) is my second favorite of the beige Model Ms after the silver-labeled 1390131.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 05:51:11 »
It's the second time I see this. Is there something superior to beige model Ms, as compared to black ones?

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 05:56:46 »
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It's the second time I see this. Is there something superior to beige model Ms, as compared to black ones?


Not really... unless you've been indoctrinated by clickykeyboards.com advertising.

The only real difference between Model M types is the M13 trackpoint.
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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 06:00:45 »
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It's the second time I see this. Is there something superior to beige model Ms, as compared to black ones?


I think you're getting mixed up with the myth that certain years of Model M are better than others. Which is incorrect.

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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 06:52:53 »
There are several factors (out of which normal wear and missing rivets may be the two most important or otherwise the only two I know of) that may concur on the feel of a Model M.

On the other hand, I have a NIB 1401 and one 1986 0131 with 11 rivets missing. The 1930131 is crispier, more precise and has almost 0 ping. I got the 1401 first and was later surprised by the feel of the old, dirty 0131.

They both have black plastic plates on the interior. I was just wondering if there's anything special about the ones with beige/ivory plates.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 07:07:55 »
No no. I was talking about the casing, and I was talking about the aesthetics of it. I'm not entirely convinced that there's any difference in feel between various years of Model Ms.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 07:26:02 »
So is this a nice board or not??  Is it the same as the trackpoint unit that Unicomp sells for $99??   I like the size and form factor.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 07:26:50 »
It's pretty mediocre. It's like a stiff scissor switch keyboard.

Unicomp no longer sells the Trackpoint ones, and I think the regular ones are going the same way too.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 09:14:31 »
Quote from: ripster;182914
See my sig for a link to a review and lots of pics.

There just isn't right now a lot of decent Tenkeyless Compact keyboard alternatives out there.  The layout is pretty good and it even has arrow keys that the HHKB does not.

Plus, I just think it looks spiffy.
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I paid like $30 versus $300 for a HHKB.



I do think they look nice.  I'll probably pick up at least one of each.   I was just offered one of those this morning.   Word gets out that I'm BUYING  :)

Re the HHKB2......I keep trying to like it.  I prefer the keyfeel over that of my variable weighted Re^lforce, but I just switched back over to my new Das S and my immediate reaction was ......AAAAHHHHH.   Nice, comfortable, familiar layout.  Maybe I just can't type on anything else????

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 10:15:57 »
Did you know that the company that invented the inverted-T arrow layout came out with this a few years later for their Unix machines?



Says it all really.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 16 May 2010, 10:59:52 »
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No no. I was talking about the casing, and I was talking about the aesthetics of it. I'm not entirely convinced that there's any difference in feel between various years of Model Ms.


Hehe. Same aesthetics, it's a Model M.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 18 May 2010, 15:10:02 »
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He's also selling this item. Someone will probably hate me for this:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-Model-M-Enhanced-101-key-Keyboard-NIB-1989_W0QQitemZ270578326554QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs


Currently at $305...

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 18 May 2010, 15:22:34 »
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Currently at $305...

O'RLY?


Now that's crazy.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 18 May 2010, 15:22:53 »
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Currently at $305...

O'RLY?


There was someone here saying he would snipe it.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 22:20:42 »
$115 for the M4-1.   Pretty decent price for the seller even with the included numpad.

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 22:46:58 »
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$115 for the M4-1.   Pretty decent price for the seller even with the included numpad.


switches and rubber domes are OK, but I really think the buckling springs are better at the end of the day.
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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 05:29:16 »
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$115 for the M4-1.   Pretty decent price for the seller even with the included numpad.


When you consider that you could get a NIB Space Saving keyboard for around the same price, I think someone got screwed...

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 06:40:03 »
Given that he's bidding on 11 auctions right now, all of which being keyboards and 6 of them being "tastaturen", I suppose he's an European Geekhack member.

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:30:53 »
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I suppose he's an European Geekhack member.


That guy again? Hate him. Outbid me on this beauty. Now I have to smear lipstick on some of my G80s to prettify them.
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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 11:42:11 »
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That guy again? Hate him. Outbid me on ......

On an earlier thread, he stated he "might pay 100$ for M4", he also have a certain fondness for Cherry G80s.
Now that I've given you a few clues, go seek him out and spam his message inbox.
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 12:12:05 »
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when you consider that you could get a nib space saving keyboard for around the same price [$115], i think someone got screwed...


where!?!?!?
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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 12:14:30 »
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Now that I've given you a few clues, go seek him out and spam his message inbox.


Thank you, I will.  I'm in Tourette mode today anyway. Robbing German cultural heritage for Australia... how dare he... grml.
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 13:36:50 »
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Description doesn't tell me much.  Did Cherry Corp do "specials" or is this a mod?

Says item is new, so I guess it's one of their specials. I've seen photos of some other special designs here on GH, iirc Sixty owns one. They're probably in the pictures thread, on one of the 218 pages...

To be honest, I planned to pop off the keycaps and burn the rest. It's a G81 after all, so burning it is the only appropriate application.
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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 14:09:39 »
I don't see why not.  At the very least, the top of the case should fit.


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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:43:09 »
I've just got a M4-1 with the integrated mouse and found this thread!
I've tried it with a WinXP computer and all the F buttons and all the other grey buttons do not work.
Only the letter keys and the mouse work as they should.
Do I need a special driver for it?
I really hope there's nothing wrong with it hardware-wise.
Thanks:)