[IC] "The Matrix" GMK keycap set

[Special K]

This IC is for a GMK set with light green text (AE or N7), black keycaps (CR), and secondary Japanese katakana legends in keeping with the color scheme of the computer terminals in The Matrix.

Here's a couple of concept renders created by DannyHuynh:





UPDATE 03/14/21

I've noticed that there are now multiple sets that feature secondary Katakana sublegends.  Example (GMK Fuji): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111695.new#new

That said, would anyone be interested in this set given that Katakana sublegend molds already exist?  The primary critique against this set when I first proposed it was the cost of the then non-existent Katakana sublegends.

UPDATE 07/01/18

Interest in this IC has been revived based on feedback from other users and recent success of other sets that require custom molds, such as GMK Laser, GMK Burgundy, and GMK Space Cadet.  I'm currently seeking out an artist to create full 3D renders.

UPDATE 11/21/16:

Hey guys,

I just wanted to give a quick update and hopefully solicit some feedback from the GH community.  Over the past few weeks I've been doing some research into how to market this set better and one thing I thought would really help would be to pay for some 3D renders by some of the talented graphic designers we have here.

Just as I was about to pull the trigger, I noticed a new IC, GMK Terminal, that appears to be very similar to mine.  While I think the set looks great and appears to have significantly more organization behind it (i.e. an actual company) than mine,  it has left me wondering if I should continue to pursue this.  I will note that the differences between mine and theirs are as follows:

1. N7 instead of AE (or maybe a custom green color?  It would be whatever shade of green they use for the characters in the movie)
2. CR instead of N9
3. Different mod keys that are colored green
4. Matrix-themed novelty keys
5. Kanji characters (unlikely given the cost)

Are the differences above enough to distinguish this set from Terminal?  Is there anything else I could do to stand out?  I'm not trying to present this as a competition or anything, but the fact is that people's keycap budgets are limited and therefore only so many sets will reach MOQ.  That said, I only see a few possibilities:

1. Drop the idea completely
2. Wait some time after Terminal drops, then try to launch it (there are always people who miss out on drops for various reasons who might be interested later)
3. Keep pushing to market this set and see if it launches whenever

Thoughts?

[intelli78]

Sounds similar to Midnight

[Special K]

Sounds similar to Midnight

That's definitely close to what I had in mind, although that set is a paler green than what I'm thinking of.

Also how does the quality of Signature Plastics compare to GMK?  I thought GMK made the highest quality caps of anyone.

Also direct link to the set intelli78 mentioned:

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-price-reduced/

[lashiel]

Sounds similar to Midnight

That's definitely close to what I had in mind, although that set is a paler green than what I'm thinking of.

Also how does the quality of Signature Plastics compare to GMK?  I thought GMK made the highest quality caps of anyone.

Also direct link to the set intelli78 mentioned:

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-price-reduced/

If you're shooting for Cherry profile, then GMK is better/best in most cases. SP has other profiles and options such as novelties and more colors. SP does offer the Cherry-like DCS profile, but they're rather thin (whether or not this is a big deal will vary from person to person, but certainly it's thinner than GMK).

[Melvang]

Sounds similar to Midnight

That's definitely close to what I had in mind, although that set is a paler green than what I'm thinking of.

Also how does the quality of Signature Plastics compare to GMK?  I thought GMK made the highest quality caps of anyone.

Also direct link to the set intelli78 mentioned:

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-price-reduced/

Well, GMK owns Cherry's molds.  Cherry sold off their key cap division years ago and GMK bought the tooling.  I can't speak for the quality differences between GMK and SP, as I have never owned GMK, but SP's DCS profile is rather thin.  Personally I find this doesn't dampen the bump on tactile switches as much as heavier caps, but to each their own.

[darkclone24]

So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

[Brammm87]

If it's "The Matrix", definitely AE for the legends.

[Special K]

Sounds similar to Midnight

That's definitely close to what I had in mind, although that set is a paler green than what I'm thinking of.

Also how does the quality of Signature Plastics compare to GMK?  I thought GMK made the highest quality caps of anyone.

Also direct link to the set intelli78 mentioned:

http://pimpmykeyboard.com/dcs-midnight-keycap-set-price-reduced/

If you're shooting for Cherry profile, then GMK is better/best in most cases. SP has other profiles and options such as novelties and more colors. SP does offer the Cherry-like DCS profile, but they're rather thin (whether or not this is a big deal will vary from person to person, but certainly it's thinner than GMK).

My preference is for OEM profile, but GMK doesn't offer that, correct?  In that case I'd rather have thick, high quality caps over novelties and would therefore prefer GMK.

[Special K]

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So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

Dumb question: What exactly is this picture showing?  Fonts?  The keycaps all look the same size and shape to me.

[FLFisherman]

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So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

Dumb question: What exactly is this picture showing?  Fonts?  The keycaps all look the same size and shape to me.

It's showing the key color palette.

[Special K]

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So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

Dumb question: What exactly is this picture showing?  Fonts?  The keycaps all look the same size and shape to me.

It's showing the key color palette.

Are those the only choices?  AE would work for The Matrix, I was just wondering if those were all the choices GMK offered.

[lashiel]

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So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

Dumb question: What exactly is this picture showing?  Fonts?  The keycaps all look the same size and shape to me.

It's showing the key color palette.

Are those the only choices?  AE would work for The Matrix, I was just wondering if those were all the choices GMK offered.

Yes. Those are the only choices, unless you want to go into custom colors, which sharply increase the MOQ (something like 150 becomes 500). GMK has also had trouble with custom colors in the past.

That's one of the other advantages of Signature Plastics besides custom tooling.

(For the record I'd prefer GMK here like almost anyone else, I'm just trying to present an even picture when questions are asked, lol)

[Special K]

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So CR keys, but AE or N7 legends?

Dumb question: What exactly is this picture showing?  Fonts?  The keycaps all look the same size and shape to me.

It's showing the key color palette.

Are those the only choices?  AE would work for The Matrix, I was just wondering if those were all the choices GMK offered.

Yes. Those are the only choices, unless you want to go into custom colors, which sharply increase the MOQ (something like 150 becomes 500). GMK has also had trouble with custom colors in the past.

That's one of the other advantages of Signature Plastics besides custom tooling.

(For the record I'd prefer GMK here like almost anyone else, I'm just trying to present an even picture when questions are asked, lol)

Who makes the thickest/highest quality OEM profile caps?

[SpAmRaY]

You can see a sampling of green on black in this post

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70595.msg2000293#msg2000293

[MaNiFeX]

AE on CR is something I've been thinking of doing for a while through GMK, but I've never run a group buy.  Would totally be down to support something like what you're talking about.

I own a set of Midnight, and despite it being the colors I was looking for, I prefer hard green on black, like all my terminal windows / shells / SSH windows are at work.   

[Special K]

Do I need to get 150 commitments before an [IC] can become a [GB]?

Also I notice that most group buys include a number of modifier keys and add-on packs.  How do those affect the final price/MOQ?  Do you get a certain number of them for free?

[lashiel]

Do I need to get 150 commitments before an [IC] can become a [GB]?

Not necessarily. It's kinda gonna be up to you to decide when you feel a set has garnered enough interest. You will want to have finalized designs and/or renders, and to really have everything nailed down. Don't rush, basically.

Also I notice that most group buys include a number of modifier keys and add-on packs.  How do those affect the final price/MOQ?  Do you get a certain number of them for free?

GMK buys are generally run as one large set, without separate "kits" or addons. This is something you should talk with GMK about, as well as some other people who have run GBs.

In fact, I think your next big priority should be to reach out and get some advice/guidance/assistance from community members who have done this before (I sure haven't, ha). I know intelli78 has run at least one successful GMK GB, and Karura has one in progress (that was/is a very large/ambitious one). I would honestly recommend finding a more experienced member to help you run the buy--you come off as very inexperienced, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but people will sometimes be unwilling to buy in if they're unsure about the runner.

Other community members who have been around the block are:
 - livingspeedbump
 - BunnyLake (though the dude is super busy right now, I always hear about how helpful he tries to be)

Definitely a bunch of others too, but those are the names that jump to mind immediately.

Hope this helps! I definitely think you should keep pursuing this.

[Special K]

Do I need to get 150 commitments before an [IC] can become a [GB]?

Not necessarily. It's kinda gonna be up to you to decide when you feel a set has garnered enough interest. You will want to have finalized designs and/or renders, and to really have everything nailed down. Don't rush, basically.

How do I create those mock-ups/renders I see of new keycap sets?

Also I notice that most group buys include a number of modifier keys and add-on packs.  How do those affect the final price/MOQ?  Do you get a certain number of them for free?

GMK buys are generally run as one large set, without separate "kits" or addons. This is something you should talk with GMK about, as well as some other people who have run GBs.

In fact, I think your next big priority should be to reach out and get some advice/guidance/assistance from community members who have done this before (I sure haven't, ha). I know intelli78 has run at least one successful GMK GB, and Karura has one in progress (that was/is a very large/ambitious one). I would honestly recommend finding a more experienced member to help you run the buy--you come off as very inexperienced, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but people will sometimes be unwilling to buy in if they're unsure about the runner.

Other community members who have been around the block are:
 - livingspeedbump
 - BunnyLake (though the dude is super busy right now, I always hear about how helpful he tries to be)

Definitely a bunch of others too, but those are the names that jump to mind immediately.

Hope this helps! I definitely think you should keep pursuing this.

Yes, I fully admit I have never run a GB before and would need to enlist the help of more experienced members to make progress.  I just had the idea for a set that doesn't seem to been done before (at least not exactly in the way I'm imagining it) and wanted to get the ball rolling.

Also who makes the thickest/highest quality OEM profile keycaps?

[lashiel]

Well, for basic mockups, you could probably find a template that you could then modify in Photoshop/GIMP. For the fancier renders, you'll probably want to hire/talk to a community member who does them. Thesiscamper does very nice full 3d renders, and harlw does some very nice... I don't know how to describe them, actually--you should take a look at Nantucket Selectric, since he did the renders for that.

Definetely keep pursuing this--it's not even remotely my intent to discourage--I think this is a neat idea, and you already seem to be garnering some interest.

As for OEM, I'm not positive if any of the custom manufacturers do commission/custom OEM profile caps.

SP and GMK (and JTK, kinda--they're just not taking community designs yet), do Cherry profile.
SP does SA and DSA profile.

[againer]

A matrix set sound nice.
I would prefer build quality over novelties -> GMK
And I hope there will be an decent ISO set too.

[FLFisherman]

So many choices to make, OP. Looks like you've generated a fair share of interest though. 

[DannyHuynh]

Like this ? 

[lishi]

Like this ? 

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If you're gonna go this route, OP, you'll definitely want to go with signature plastics for the custom moulds

[DannyHuynh]

If you're gonna go this route, OP, you'll definitely want to go with signature plastics for the custom moulds

I'm not OP though, just have an idea of a Matrix theme keyset also 

[mashby]

Like this ? 

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[xondat]

Like this ? 

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Can confirm, did sploosh

[Special K]

Like this ? 

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That's nice.  Personally I would have all keys be black with green text, and then have an "add-on pack" of optional green modifier keys/blue pill/red pill/etc.  Is that possible?

[Special K]

Like this ? 

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If you're gonna go this route, OP, you'll definitely want to go with signature plastics for the custom moulds

As opposed to GMK?  If so, why?  Can GMK not produce the keyset DannyHuynh created?

Also how did you make that?

[FLFisherman]

Like this ? 

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That's nice.  Personally I would have all keys be black with green text, and then have an "add-on pack" of optional green modifier keys/blue pill/red pill/etc.  Is that possible?

Anything is possible. It's your set, after all.  :thumb:

[livingspeedbump]

I can say this. As it stands, having custom green legends on a black cap will be quite expensive. You can't dye sub a lighter legend on a darker keycap, so the only way to do this would be to make them doubleshots, which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From the looks of it, a 75% kit would be needed 

[livingspeedbump]

Like this ? 

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Looks pretty cool. Though I saw the novelties and the first thing i read was "There is no sperm" ?  :))

[cryptokey]

If you go with GMK green on black, then AE on CR, however I also think the dark grey of AE on N9 would look nice.  I'm a big fan of the colours and theme, so I'm interested but I've got to see how this set pans out. 

[lashiel]

I can say this. As it stands, having custom green legends on a black cap will be quite expensive. You can't dye sub a lighter legend on a darker keycap, so the only way to do this would be to make them doubleshots, which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From the looks of it, a 75% kit would be needed 

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This was my second thought :(

My first thought was that I didn't realize I needed green on black JIS keys in my life until I saw that picture.

[Special K]

I can say this. As it stands, having custom green legends on a black cap will be quite expensive. You can't dye sub a lighter legend on a darker keycap, so the only way to do this would be to make them doubleshots, which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From the looks of it, a 75% kit would be needed 

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Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

[n__dles]

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

.. having custom green legends on a black cap will be quite expensive. You can't dye sub a lighter legend on a darker keycap, so the only way to do this would be to make them doubleshots, which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

Just a heads up everyone. If you do want to make a group buy with doubleshot ABS and have plans for customized legends, say Chinese characters, you will need to pay for a new mold... when the Cherry Legends at SP were made, it cost $45 per keycap. So just in legend changes, the buy needed an extra $45*104 = $4680.

The reason I keep asking in threads if people are going to use dye-sub or doubleshots is that dyesubbing caps does not have the same legend fee. That is due to how the processes work.

If you are new to the scene and you want to make a keycap set, please keep this in mind.

• They're talking about SP, not GMK.
  
• It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

[DannyHuynh]

Added something, removed something, changed something 



Hope it didn't turn our weird 

[switchnollie]

SP's DCS profile is rather thin.

Not sure if they make custom sets with these but SP makes a thicker version of DCS that's about as thick as GMK.
I found them in my crap bag, same sculpt as DCS when set side by side.

[cryptokey]

SP's DCS profile is rather thin.

Not sure if they make custom sets with these but SP makes a thicker version of DCS that's about as thick as GMK.
I found them in my crap bag, same sculpt as DCS when set side by side.

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It's worth a shot to contact SP about making a custom set in that profile.  It looks quite nice actually.

[Melvang]

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

.. having custom green legends on a black cap will be quite expensive. You can't dye sub a lighter legend on a darker keycap, so the only way to do this would be to make them doubleshots, which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

Just a heads up everyone. If you do want to make a group buy with doubleshot ABS and have plans for customized legends, say Chinese characters, you will need to pay for a new mold... when the Cherry Legends at SP were made, it cost $45 per keycap. So just in legend changes, the buy needed an extra $45*104 = $4680.

The reason I keep asking in threads if people are going to use dye-sub or doubleshots is that dyesubbing caps does not have the same legend fee. That is due to how the processes work.

If you are new to the scene and you want to make a keycap set, please keep this in mind.

• They're talking about SP, not GMK.
  
• It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

[n__dles]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

[1deeg]

I don't care for the fancy spacebars but if the colors are done right this could be really awesome

[Special K]

After messaging some of the more experienced GB members I've realized I still have a lot of work to do, but I recently found this:

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/

and will be using it to create some samples.

[livingspeedbump]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

[Special K]

OK, here are a couple mock-ups:

Hmm, for some reason the CR color looks like dark green.  The keycaps are supposed to be black.

Another thing I noticed is the legends on some of the keys don't match what I have seen on other GMK sets.  For example, "Enter" is just an arrow in every other GMK keycap set I have seen.  Also there doesn't appear to be any way to make things like a stepped Caps Lock.

[livingspeedbump]

OK, here are a couple mock-ups:

Hmm, for some reason the CR color looks like dark green.  The keycaps are supposed to be black.

Another thing I noticed is the legends on some of the keys don't match what I have seen on other GMK sets.  For example, "Enter" is just an arrow in every other GMK keycap set I have seen.  Also there doesn't appear to be any way to make things like a stepped Caps Lock.

Under "misc" at the bottom of the page you can select "steeped" fyi

[DannyHuynh]

Here's a potato render 



If there's no interest, I'll probably think of some other ideas for a keyset 

[xondat]

Here's a potato render 

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If there's no interest, I'll probably think of some other ideas for a keyset  :(

Looks good, seeing it like this justifies it a bit more.

[Special K]

Here's a potato render 

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If there's no interest, I'll probably think of some other ideas for a keyset  :(

Nice!  Although it looks like adding the Matrix characters as secondary legends would drive the cost up quite a bit.

[qazeqaz]

I think the Matrix code would be way cooler. Ditch the real text or make it small like the recent Massdrop Elven characters.

[DannyHuynh]

I think the Matrix code would be way cooler. Ditch the real text or make it small like the recent Massdrop Elven characters.

But the whole point of the matrix digital code rain is about including both of the alphanumeric letters and japanese katakana, without either, it doesn't seem really justified, for me at least. 

how about another potato...

...in full hd   

[Special K]

I think the Matrix code would be way cooler. Ditch the real text or make it small like the recent Massdrop Elven characters.

But the whole point of the matrix digital code rain is about including both of the alphanumeric letters and japanese katakana, without either, it doesn't seem really justified, for me at least. 

how about another potato...

...in full hd   

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If we include the matrix code characters I think they should be secondary legends as shown in DannyHuynh's renders.  They add flavor to the design but at the end of the day I would still be using the keyboard to type standard characters.

[Special K]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

[mashby]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

[DannyHuynh]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

Apparently, there is not enough fans of Keanu Reeves, so it might be hard for this to become solid, especially with all these legends 

[Special K]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

Apparently, there is not enough fans of Keanu Reeves, so it might be hard for this to become solid, especially with all these legends 

Is there no interest in getting a set made with the just the colorway and no special legends?

[mastermachetier]

Here's a potato render 

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If there's no interest, I'll probably think of some other ideas for a keyset  :(

How do you create a render like that if you can lead me in the right direction.

[ideus]

SP's DCS profile is rather thin.

Not sure if they make custom sets with these but SP makes a thicker version of DCS that's about as thick as GMK.
I found them in my crap bag, same sculpt as DCS when set side by side.

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If available, the thicker key caps would be far more expensive than the regular DCS, SP sites explained they built molds with thinner walls to reduce costs, but a set of DCS is as expensive as a GMK, even in its thinner version; thus, anything thicker will cost an arm and a leg.

[Special K]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

[Melvang]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee.
Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

No idea.

[swimmingbird]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

Apparently, there is not enough fans of Keanu Reeves, so it might be hard for this to become solid, especially with all these legends 

[SpAmRaY]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

That only applies to signature plastics.

[Special K]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

That only applies to signature plastics.

GMK doesn't allow custom legends in the first place?

[SpAmRaY]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

That only applies to signature plastics.

GMK doesn't allow custom legends in the first place?

They have only recently done any and they were for cherry china division for what seem to be very large orders. And we're for single novelty keys like an escape key.

You seem to want an entire set which up until now GMK has not done and has shown no interest in doing.

[DannyHuynh]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

Apparently, there is not enough fans of Keanu Reeves, so it might be hard for this to become solid, especially with all these legends 

(Attachment Link)

I hope so. However, we might need a render specialist to make this thing looks more appealing. I really can't google "How to create good render of keyboard" you know

[mashby]

If you reversed the colors so that the alphas were green keys with black fonts, you could dye sub them and get the custom legends. That would make the modifiers black and maybe those could be doubleshot since they are mocked up as standard legends.

Just a thought.

[Special K]

Man, there's some communication break down in this thread.

You tell Special K,

which will cost ~$45 a cap, and around $4k for a full set.

From his response, it would seem that he thinks every individual physical keycap produced would cost $45, and that every person who purchased a set would pay around $4k.

Why would it cost $45/cap?  Is CR text on AE caps not the same as AE text on CR caps?  Don't GMK group buys sell for ~$120 or so per set?

I tried to clarify what you said for Special K,

It's a one time fee of $45, not $45 for every individual cap made

I guess you think I meant it would be a unique fee of $45 for the entire set,

It is in face $45 PER LEGEND.

Since informal speech has led to these ambiguities, here's my understanding expressed in predicate logic: ∀ n ∃! f where n is a new double shot legend, and f is a $45 fee. 

Phew! I think (hope?) everyone is on the same page, let me know if I'm wrong.

Yes. You are correct. That $45 fee is the price for them to make a mold, and that cost is then added into the kit of the buy and distributed out among everyone that buys it. So, a single novelty for example, wont really create a noticeable pricing rise, but having 15 will. This is an issue that plagued Modern Selectric due to having the Icon Modifiers. Most kits have 10 or less custom keys.

So lets say you want a full custom font (something that is currently being funded elsewhere in the community). If you wanted a full custom font, you'd have to pay for the 104 molds needed for the set. Lets call that cost 5k just to be easy. Now, if you were to buy only 1 set, you'd have to pay full pricing for the set, say $150, PLUS 5k. So the set is $5,150 total with one unit sold. Now, say 100 people buy the set. That price is now split between all the people, and all the sets, making the price around $200 (150 base cost+50 legend fee that is already added into the actual cost) of the set. Does this makes sense?

So you wont be paying out of pocket for the molds. You will just have to reach MOQ or those molds/subsequent kits simply wont be made. A significant number of custom keys will result in a significant price increase for everyone though, and generally I advise against this when possible. In the case of the Matrix font, I don't think it is worth it. Unlike a font with molds that can be used for other sets later, this would be a very specific niche set, and likely kill this group buy with the extreme costs.

Just to clarify, is the $45 per custom legend fee the same for both GMK and SP?

That only applies to signature plastics.

GMK doesn't allow custom legends in the first place?

They have only recently done any and they were for cherry china division for what seem to be very large orders. And we're for single novelty keys like an escape key.

You seem to want an entire set which up until now GMK has not done and has shown no interest in doing.

Personally I'm fine with green text on black keys without any special legends.  Others made the suggestion for special legends.  While I think it's a nice touch, the price would kill the set.

[Special K]

If you reversed the colors so that the alphas were green keys with black fonts, you could dye sub them and get the custom legends. That would make the modifiers black and maybe those could be doubleshot since they are mocked up as standard legends.

Just a thought.

Thanks for the suggestion.  Personally if we do the group buy at all I'd want it to be green text on black keys just because that's what actually appears in the movie.  If the majority really wants to have the secondary legends and is willing to invert the color scheme to get them, then maybe we could go that route.

[00zeRO]

A+ goes to OP for being Awesome! GMK = Gnarly Matrix Keycaps!

[lashiel]

Thought: how viable would it be to pad print the secondary legends, similar to how some of the Cyrillic sets have been done (I think?).

I actually know very little about the process, so it may be that it's not viable at all (plus I know pad printing is somewhat frowned on, since it's much more susceptible to wear).

That said, I think that just a normal set with the suggested colors could be interesting, even without the secondary legends. I think people are just interested in the idea of the kana because it adds a cool bit of flair.

[00zeRO]

Thought: how viable would it be to pad print the secondary legends, similar to how some of the Cyrillic sets have been done (I think?).

I actually know very little about the process, so it may be that it's not viable at all (plus I know pad printing is somewhat frowned on, since it's much more susceptible to wear).

That said, I think that just a normal set with the suggested colors could be interesting, even without the secondary legends. I think people are just interested in the idea of the kana because it adds a cool bit of flair.

Viable but expensive. Still, cheaper than a whole bunch of new legends...

[MOZ]

Thought: how viable would it be to pad print the secondary legends, similar to how some of the Cyrillic sets have been done (I think?).

I actually know very little about the process, so it may be that it's not viable at all (plus I know pad printing is somewhat frowned on, since it's much more susceptible to wear).

That said, I think that just a normal set with the suggested colors could be interesting, even without the secondary legends. I think people are just interested in the idea of the kana because it adds a cool bit of flair.

Viable but expensive. Still, cheaper than a whole bunch of new legends...

GMK charge a nominal fee for the pad-printing and it is about to become even more cheaper as they are working on a new pad printing method.

[heedpantsnow]

I like the green text on black keys without other printing. I would suggest same green on dark grey for modifiers.

[swimmingbird]

Thought: how viable would it be to pad print the secondary legends, similar to how some of the Cyrillic sets have been done (I think?).

I actually know very little about the process, so it may be that it's not viable at all (plus I know pad printing is somewhat frowned on, since it's much more susceptible to wear).

That said, I think that just a normal set with the suggested colors could be interesting, even without the secondary legends. I think people are just interested in the idea of the kana because it adds a cool bit of flair.

Viable but expensive. Still, cheaper than a whole bunch of new legends...

GMK charge a nominal fee for the pad-printing and it is about to become even more cheaper as they are working on a new pad printing method.

I was literally just thinking about pad printing for this set - would be interested to see how it would add to the cost

[DannyHuynh]

Will someone create a poll for GMK vs DSA, sub legend vs normal on MD ? 

[swimmingbird]

Will someone create a poll for GMK vs DSA, sub legend vs normal on MD ? 

you don't need a poll to know that GMK ****s all over DSA

[00zeRO]

Will someone create a poll for GMK vs DSA, sub legend vs normal on MD ? 

you don't need a poll to know that GMK ****s all over DSA

I know, right?

[lashiel]

I was literally just thinking about pad printing for this set - would be interested to see how it would add to the cost

It may be at least worth inquiring into, along with a more normal set. Although I think we'd need to decide on which keys are included before GMK would be willing to give any real price estimate.

Also, **** DSA for this set. Cherry or bust. I think DSA is an interesting profile, but for some reason it seems harder to make a good looking set in it (imo).

[DukeMugen]

came here because of the nightstalker. 

[MOZ]

I think a standard set of green on dark grey/black would work well along with pad-printed sublegends.

[swimmingbird]

I think a standard set of green on dark grey/black would work well along with pad-printed sublegends.

I'd love to see a green on black/dark grey Windows 95 logo to go with this set

Keep that 90s feel alive

[DannyHuynh]

Anyone have the 3D model for the cherry/GMK profile keys ? 

[Special K]

I think a standard set of green on dark grey/black would work well along with pad-printed sublegends.

I'd love to see a green on black/dark grey Windows 95 logo to go with this set

Keep that 90s feel alive

What options does GMK offer for windows logos?  A quick image search shows the most recent win8+ logo.

[MOZ]

From the top of my head, the classic Win 98 logo (wavy style) on 1U keys and the new Win 8+ logo on the 1.25U

[Special K]

We have some sample ideas and renders in this thread.  What is the next step?

LOL. Fundraising for all the new legends?

Apparently, there is not enough fans of Keanu Reeves, so it might be hard for this to become solid, especially with all these legends 

(Attachment Link)

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I hope so. However, we might need a render specialist to make this thing looks more appealing. I really can't google "How to create good render of keyboard" you know

I thought yours looked fine.  How could it be improved?

[FranksNewLiver]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

[swimmingbird]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

From what I've heard the production schedule for JTK is pretty full for the foreseeable future

[jaffers]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

This is the only acceptable colour scheme. Even then its pushing it. Green is such a terrible colour 

[DukeMugen]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

this one looks nice!

[Special K]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

I like the pic.  How thick are JTK caps?

[SpAmRaY]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

I like the pic.  How thick are JTK caps?

The thickness is comparable to GMK

[Data]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

This, with maybe 1 novelty cap... subtle, but very clearly "The Matrix" even if it doesn't have the Japanese characters.

It's similar to Toxic.  What green did you use here?

[Special K]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

From what I've heard the production schedule for JTK is pretty full for the foreseeable future

Do you have a link that talks about this?  Where can I go to get more information about JT Keycaps: color options, pricing, etc.?  I did a search but it only returns links to the first JTK GB here.

[SpAmRaY]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

From what I've heard the production schedule for JTK is pretty full for the foreseeable future

Do you have a link that talks about this?  Where can I go to get more information about JT Keycaps: color options, pricing, etc.?  I did a search but it only returns links to the first JTK GB here.

For the time being I believe they are only working with [ctrl]alt so you might try and contact bunnylake

[Special K]

Why not see what JTK could do. I just filled in the white with green from the WoB Debut render at https://ctrlalt.io/buys/jtk-debut
I have a stormtrooper set and they are nice to type on and doubleshot.

From what I've heard the production schedule for JTK is pretty full for the foreseeable future

Do you have a link that talks about this?  Where can I go to get more information about JT Keycaps: color options, pricing, etc.?  I did a search but it only returns links to the first JTK GB here.

For the time being I believe they are only working with [ctrl]alt so you might try and contact bunnylake

bunnylake just told me the legend set is not complete yet so they are not taking orders to manufacture other sets.

[DukeMugen]

may i suggest this?

[DukeMugen]

with the reaper V2 haha!

[ideus]

Electric Dolch? or maybe The Matrix Dolch?

[DukeMugen]

Gray to be CC and black to be CR, then legends will be all in AE. Oh how i wish

[Special K]

Gray to be CC and black to be CR, then legends will be all in AE. Oh how i wish

That seems just as feasible as all CR caps with AE legends.  What about an optional set of modifiers with CR text on AE caps?

[DukeMugen]

Gray to be CC and black to be CR, then legends will be all in AE. Oh how i wish

That seems just as feasible as all CR caps with AE legends.  What about an optional set of modifiers with CR text on AE caps?

Personally, im not a fan of bright mods on dark alphanumerics. Id rather choose all to be black with ae legends. Simple but nice. But that's just me.

[Mothore]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

[Special K]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

Then everyone who is interested keep bumping this thread with ideas so more people see it!

[Geekmie]

This looks great. But I don't quite like the "blue pill" and "red pill" text on keycaps. It would be nice to just use pill icon and put them on just the bottom row with any modifier key.

[Special K]

Random bump to see if there is any additional interest.

[dubious]

may i suggest this?

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I think we have a winner...

Just add symbol legend mods and you can have my first unborn child  )

[Mr Mulch]

Would love to see this set be realized.

[00zeRO]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

I think this set might have a better chance if done in DSA, but that is just me.

[Data]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

I think this set might have a better chance if done in DSA, but that is just me.

This matches the screen-used props.  The guys at DT already did some detectiving -- it's an Apple Powerbook keyboard.  Profile is flat.



I'm not sure if DSA is doing the set any favors from a group buy standpoint, but it's something to consider anyway.

[00zeRO]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

I think this set might have a better chance if done in DSA, but that is just me.

This matches the screen-used props.  The guys at DT already did some detectiving -- it's an Apple Powerbook keyboard.  Profile is flat.

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I'm not sure if DSA is doing the set any favors from a group buy standpoint, but it's something to consider anyway.

Wonderful. I think DSA would need a new set soon anyways since it has not been shown much DoubleShot ABS love lately. What, with all the SA hype of late...

[Data]

I love this theme. We all need more Matrix in our lives.

I think this set might have a better chance if done in DSA, but that is just me.

This matches the screen-used props.  The guys at DT already did some detectiving -- it's an Apple Powerbook keyboard.  Profile is flat.

Show Image

I'm not sure if DSA is doing the set any favors from a group buy standpoint, but it's something to consider anyway.

Wonderful. I think DSA would need a new set soon anyways since it has not been shown much DoubleShot ABS love lately. What, with all the SA hype of late...

MiTo is planning another big DSA set that's rumored to run on Massdrop either this month or next, so I think that might fill the niche for the near term.  It's called Overcast and has a bunch of bold primary colors.  Should be decent -- and it's not at all similar to what we're talking about in here.

[sambarugh]

Yeah the design of this set is not worth the time or money. It doesn't look good at all and I would only be interested if the sub's were removed and the keys were made by GMK. Just because it references the Matrix doesn't make it good by default. Probably best to leave this one on the cutting room floor.

[Data]

Yeah the design of this set is not worth the time or money. It doesn't look good at all and I would only be interested if the sub's were removed and the keys were made by GMK. Just because it references the Matrix doesn't make it good by default. Probably best to leave this one on the cutting room floor.

Your (lack of) interest is noted.

[chuckdee]

Interested.

[SamFlynn]

Yeah the design of this set is not worth the time or money. It doesn't look good at all and I would only be interested if the sub's were removed and the keys were made by GMK. Just because it references the Matrix doesn't make it good by default. Probably best to leave this one on the cutting room floor.

Your (lack of) interest is noted.

Who invited this guy to drop a big fat thread-crapping turd right here?

Hey, sambarugh, just because you have an account it doesn't mean you need to post any and all opinions in interest checks. If you aren't interested, just keep lurking, dude.

[Special K]

Yeah the design of this set is not worth the time or money. It doesn't look good at all and I would only be interested if the sub's were removed and the keys were made by GMK. Just because it references the Matrix doesn't make it good by default. Probably best to leave this one on the cutting room floor.

What do you mean "if the sub's were removed"?  Also the original plan was to have this one made by GMK.

Yeah the design of this set is not worth the time or money. It doesn't look good at all and I would only be interested if the sub's were removed and the keys were made by GMK. Just because it references the Matrix doesn't make it good by default. Probably best to leave this one on the cutting room floor.

What do you mean "if the sub's were removed"?  Also the original plan was to have these made by GMK.

[sambarugh]

What do you mean "if the sub's were removed"?  Also the original plan was to have these made by GMK.

The sub legends, they're ugly

[Data]

I think he means the kanji.

sambarugh, you might want to familiarize yourself with the forum rules here and (subsequently) here.

This subsection might be particularly useful to you:

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2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.

 

[sambarugh]

I think he means the kanji.

sambarugh, you might want to familiarize yourself with the forum rules here and (subsequently) here.

This subsection might be particularly useful to you:

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2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.

 

This is an IC thread, not a GB thread. Rekt, GG, git gud.

[SamFlynn]

I think he means the kanji.

sambarugh, you might want to familiarize yourself with the forum rules here and (subsequently) here.

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Data -
Trolls don't have etiquette as part of their demeanor/behavior. If they did, they would cease to be trolls.

sambarugh -
Thanks for your participation, we just wish you had a little more tact...but you can't always get what you want. 

[Data]

Data -
Trolls don't have etiquette as part of their demeanor/behavior. If they did, they would cease to be trolls.

Oh, I know.  Everything is playing out precisely as I planned.

[infiniti]

Just a reminder to play nice and to please provide feedback in a constructive manner.

[shower_king]

i am fond of lay-out concerning green and appreciate your idea on this lay-out,
MOZ 's Royal Type Writer have perfect arrangement in light green and dark green and both GREENs matches ratherwell but barely get through GB. Perhaps one point is that many people would not like the feelings on touching and typing on keycaps's surface with sub.the feel typing on key with sub is more vicious or just like that and less cleanly and gentleness than normal GMK's. it is undoubtly that the double-shot keys with sub have more possibility and more beautiful . As for a set of GMK up to 100+ USdollors or even more, i think many people would prefer practicability to beauty.
AS FOR ME, i don't hate sub on key's surface ,i just prefer key without it to ones with it. i also respect minority's likes. i think minority would like type on sub, but GMK' s MOQ , decreasing from 250 to 150,  is rather high in comparison with SP's.
now turn to the topic , my suggestion on this whether we could make the sub on the keycap's side surface not top surface. this could retain your good idea on arranging these different but lovely colors and don't affect the feel for using the good GMK's keys

[Special K]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to give a quick update and hopefully solicit some feedback from the GH community.  Over the past few weeks I've been doing some research into how to market this set better and one thing I thought would really help would be to pay for some 3D renders by some of the talented graphic designers we have here.

Just as I was about to pull the trigger, I noticed a new IC, GMK Terminal, that appears to be very similar to mine.  While I think the set looks great and appears to have significantly more organization behind it (i.e. an actual company) than mine,  it has left me wondering if I should continue to pursue this.  I will note that the differences between mine and theirs are as follows:

1. N7 instead of AE (or maybe a custom green color?  It would be whatever shade of green they use for the characters in the movie)
2. CR instead of N9
3. Different mod keys that are colored green
4. Matrix-themed novelty keys
5. Kanji characters (unlikely given the cost)

Are the differences above enough to distinguish this set from Terminal?  Is there anything else I could do to stand out?  I'm not trying to present this as a competition or anything, but the fact is that people's keycap budgets are limited and therefore only so many sets will reach MOQ.  That said, I only see a few possibilities:

1. Drop the idea completely
2. Wait some time after Terminal drops, then try to launch it (there are always people who miss out on drops for various reasons who might be interested later)
3. Keep pushing to market this set and see if it launches whenever

Thoughts?

[Vigrith]

This came round when I wasn't really paying attention to much relating to keyboards so first I'm hearing/seeing of it,

As someone who already owns Midnight (and will be owning Toxic shortly) I'm not particularly in need of more green/black but the Katakana legends make the set for me - if those are included I'd say it is definitely different enough from both Midnight as well as Terminal_, plus it then has a very defined theme that would make it stand out. Then again if you do go with the Katakana (I don't know whether or not you are willing to adopt the style, as I see the concept/renders were provided by another user) it may become too niche and may lack interest. I'd imagine you could theoretically still get a nice buy going regardless provided things are handled well but still, these alternate legends tend to always have a hard time compared to just straight Latin.

For what it's worth, if the set came out tomorrow with the exact look of the render you have in the OP, I would buy it - even as someone who is just a fan of the Matrix, not a fanatic.

[mbljs5555]

Interesting how this keyset doesn't really remind me of the GMK Terminal... looks different and maybe it's because of the font but definitely evokes the Matrix feels!

[xondat]

Interesting how this keyset doesn't really remind me of the GMK Terminal... looks different and maybe it's because of the font but definitely evokes the Matrix feels!

Why are you bumping threads that are obviously not being worked on anymore?

[amnesia0287]

Interesting how this keyset doesn't really remind me of the GMK Terminal... looks different and maybe it's because of the font but definitely evokes the Matrix feels!

Why are you bumping threads that are obviously not being worked on anymore?

To be fair, with laser, this set is far more viable now. All the molds will exist already. You best believe people are gonna start making more Japanese sets.

[Special K]

I would still like to pursue this someday, but now that GMK Terminal is doing a round 2, I'm not sure this is different enough to capture people's attention.

[dimo]

I would still like to pursue this someday, but now that GMK Terminal is doing a round 2, I'm not sure this is different enough to capture people's attention.

It's not different enough. The red/blue pills don't match the set at all. The colors imo look worse than Terminal too-- maybe it's just the awful renders from early community days.

Terminal completely encapsulated what the theme of this set was, and it turned out great

[Giorgio]

There's no point in trying to be different if you have no compelling reason to do so.
A black and green set, with standard colours, Japanese sublegends and some matrix styled keys can call itself GMK matrix.

[dimo]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

[Giorgio]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

No.

"The code used in the introduction to all three movies is actually text characters scanned from Japanese cookbooks.[3] Its creator, Simon Whiteley, was never credited.[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain

[Special K]

I would still like to pursue this someday, but now that GMK Terminal is doing a round 2, I'm not sure this is different enough to capture people's attention.

It's not different enough. The red/blue pills don't match the set at all. The colors imo look worse than Terminal too-- maybe it's just the awful renders from early community days.

Terminal completely encapsulated what the theme of this set was, and it turned out great

Additionally this set would use CR instead of N9 for the keycaps.  I own GMK Terminal and personally think the keycaps look closer to gray than black.  I realize that was done for compatibility purposes with other sets, but if I was building GMK Matrix from the ground up I would choose CR for a "true" black.

My next step is to get some higher quality renders.  I realize the ones posted in the OP aren't as high quality as the ones used in other sets (no offense to the artist intended).

[dimo]

I would still like to pursue this someday, but now that GMK Terminal is doing a round 2, I'm not sure this is different enough to capture people's attention.

It's not different enough. The red/blue pills don't match the set at all. The colors imo look worse than Terminal too-- maybe it's just the awful renders from early community days.

Terminal completely encapsulated what the theme of this set was, and it turned out great

Additionally this set would use CR instead of N9 for the keycaps.  I own GMK Terminal and personally think the keycaps look closer to gray than black.  I realize that was done for compatibility purposes with other sets, but if I was building GMK Matrix from the ground up I would choose CR for a "true" black.

My next step is to get some higher quality renders.  I realize the ones posted in the OP aren't as high quality as the ones used in other sets.

agree with everything. This should be wiped and started from a clean slate into a fully rendered IC if interest is intended to be gathered.

[chuckdee]

I would still like to pursue this someday, but now that GMK Terminal is doing a round 2, I'm not sure this is different enough to capture people's attention.

It's not different enough. The red/blue pills don't match the set at all. The colors imo look worse than Terminal too-- maybe it's just the awful renders from early community days.

Terminal completely encapsulated what the theme of this set was, and it turned out great

Additionally this set would use CR instead of N9 for the keycaps.  I own GMK Terminal and personally think the keycaps look closer to gray than black.  I realize that was done for compatibility purposes with other sets, but if I was building GMK Matrix from the ground up I would choose CR for a "true" black.

My next step is to get some higher quality renders.  I realize the ones posted in the OP aren't as high quality as the ones used in other sets.

I actually like this better than terminal, and think it's different enough to succeed on its own.

[pvd]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

[dimo]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

yeah I got it. It’s been a while

[Special K]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

Now that GMK Laser exists, the molds exist and should be usable by any future sets, correct?  If so, I would use them as others have suggested.

[pvd]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

Now that GMK Laser exists, the molds exist and should be usable by any future sets, correct?  If so, I would use them as others have suggested.

The GMK laser molds are hiragana characters, while the characters in your render in your render are katakana. I think katakana sublegends would look much cooler on this set and would be more true to the digital rain of the matrix (though I don't know anything at all about Japanese, I'm in it strictly for the aesthetics  ). If the sublegends are part of the default kit, it would stand a pretty good chance of making MOQ I think, which of course is always the issue.

[Special K]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

Now that GMK Laser exists, the molds exist and should be usable by any future sets, correct?  If so, I would use them as others have suggested.

The GMK laser molds are hiragana characters, while the characters in your render in your render are katakana. I think katakana sublegends would look much cooler on this set and would be more true to the digital rain of the matrix (though I don't know anything at all about Japanese, I'm in it strictly for the aesthetics  ). If the sublegends are part of the default kit, it would stand a pretty good chance of making MOQ I think, which of course is always the issue.

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

Finally, if the katakana character set is different from the hiragana characters used for GMK Laser, then this IC is kind of back at square one with respect to needing to factor in the cost of custom molds for most of the keys, which is what turned people off the first time (see earlier pages for the debate).

[Ohjay]

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

The characters for Hiragana and Katakana represent the same set of syllables, so mapping is easy since it's just to interchange one character for the other.
See this table for a reference where the top character is Hiragana, middle is Katakana, and the third is the syllable representation in roman letters (credit to: cyborgsmurf.wordpress.com)

(Sidenote: I don't think keysets generally use the g*, z*, d*, b*, p* syllables so they can be disregarded. Same with everything to the right of ya, yu, yo)

And for those that do not know, but are curious as to why there are two character sets for the same syllables...
Hiragana is used for domestic words.
Katakana is used for words loaned from other languages (mainly english).

[Giorgio]

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

The characters for Hiragana and Katakana represent the same set of syllables, so mapping is easy since it's just to interchange one character for the other.
See this table for a reference where the top character is Hiragana, middle is Katakana, and the third is the syllable representation in roman letters (credit to: cyborgsmurf.wordpress.com)

Show Image

(Sidenote: I don't think keysets generally use the g*, z*, d*, b*, p* syllables so they can be disregarded. Same with everything to the right of ya, yu, yo)

And for those that do not know, but are curious as to why there are two character sets for the same syllables...
Hiragana is used for domestic words.
Katakana is used for words loaned from other languages (mainly english).

That's confusing as ****. Why don't we simply replicate what other GMK sets used the most?

[pvd]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

Now that GMK Laser exists, the molds exist and should be usable by any future sets, correct?  If so, I would use them as others have suggested.

The GMK laser molds are hiragana characters, while the characters in your render in your render are katakana. I think katakana sublegends would look much cooler on this set and would be more true to the digital rain of the matrix (though I don't know anything at all about Japanese, I'm in it strictly for the aesthetics  ). If the sublegends are part of the default kit, it would stand a pretty good chance of making MOQ I think, which of course is always the issue.

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

Finally, if the katakana character set is different from the hiragana characters used for GMK Laser, then this IC is kind of back at square one with respect to needing to factor in the cost of custom molds for most of the keys, which is what turned people off the first time (see earlier pages for the debate).

The first few pages of this IC are from 2016, right? That was back when GMK custom legends were unthinkable. Since then we've had GMK Laser, which had two sets of completely custom molds for the hiragana sublegends and hiragana monolegends, GMK Burgundy, which has hangul sublegends, and we will soon have GMK space cadet, which has fancy math sublegends. The appetite for custom sublegends absolutely exists now.

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

The characters for Hiragana and Katakana represent the same set of syllables, so mapping is easy since it's just to interchange one character for the other.
See this table for a reference where the top character is Hiragana, middle is Katakana, and the third is the syllable representation in roman letters (credit to: cyborgsmurf.wordpress.com)

Show Image

(Sidenote: I don't think keysets generally use the g*, z*, d*, b*, p* syllables so they can be disregarded. Same with everything to the right of ya, yu, yo)

And for those that do not know, but are curious as to why there are two character sets for the same syllables...
Hiragana is used for domestic words.
Katakana is used for words loaned from other languages (mainly english).

That's confusing as ****. Why don't we simply replicate what other GMK sets used the most?

Just look at the front page of the thread.  :p The render there is katakana sublegends. No need to think further about it.

[Ohjay]

Just look at the front page of the thread.  The render there is katakana sublegends. No need to think further about it.

Haha, serves me right for not reading the entire thread

[pvd]

Just look at the front page of the thread.  The render there is katakana sublegends. No need to think further about it.

Haha, serves me right for not reading the entire thread

Nothing wrong with dropping some knowledge.  )

[Special K]

Why are there even japanese sublegends?? If it's supposed to be following a theme of the "matrix"-- the creative choices seem random.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_digital_rain


The "digital rain" in the matrix is mostly a mix of katakana and latin alphabet. I hope OP is still considering katakana sublegends, now that gmk sublegends are a thing. I think it would look very cool.

Now that GMK Laser exists, the molds exist and should be usable by any future sets, correct?  If so, I would use them as others have suggested.

The GMK laser molds are hiragana characters, while the characters in your render in your render are katakana. I think katakana sublegends would look much cooler on this set and would be more true to the digital rain of the matrix (though I don't know anything at all about Japanese, I'm in it strictly for the aesthetics  ). If the sublegends are part of the default kit, it would stand a pretty good chance of making MOQ I think, which of course is always the issue.

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

Finally, if the katakana character set is different from the hiragana characters used for GMK Laser, then this IC is kind of back at square one with respect to needing to factor in the cost of custom molds for most of the keys, which is what turned people off the first time (see earlier pages for the debate).

The first few pages of this IC are from 2016, right? That was back when GMK custom legends were unthinkable. Since then we've had GMK Laser, which had two sets of completely custom molds for the hiragana sublegends and hiragana monolegends, GMK Burgundy, which has hangul sublegends, and we will soon have GMK space cadet, which has fancy math sublegends. The appetite for custom sublegends absolutely exists now.

Wow, I haven't been keeping up with recent sets.  GMK Burgundy does something very similar to this set with its 2x secondary legends on some keys.

How do we map katakana characters as secondary legends to the alphabetical characters?  Does anyone following this thread speak/read Japanese?  I also need this information to give to the artist who will be creating the renders.

The characters for Hiragana and Katakana represent the same set of syllables, so mapping is easy since it's just to interchange one character for the other.
See this table for a reference where the top character is Hiragana, middle is Katakana, and the third is the syllable representation in roman letters (credit to: cyborgsmurf.wordpress.com)

Show Image

(Sidenote: I don't think keysets generally use the g*, z*, d*, b*, p* syllables so they can be disregarded. Same with everything to the right of ya, yu, yo)

And for those that do not know, but are curious as to why there are two character sets for the same syllables...
Hiragana is used for domestic words.
Katakana is used for words loaned from other languages (mainly english).

That's confusing as ****. Why don't we simply replicate what other GMK sets used the most?

Just look at the front page of the thread.  :p The render there is katakana sublegends. No need to think further about it.

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

[chuckdee]

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

Hangul?  I thought we were talking Katakana vs Hiragana...

[pvd]

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

It is entirely possible that some people will care about how the mapping is done. I don't, but I suppose if something is going to be done it should be done right. From a super cursory cross reference of the render on the front page vs the table supplied by Ohjay vs the gmk laser sublegends, the render on the front page does have correct mapping.

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

Hangul?  I thought we were talking Katakana vs Hiragana...

Since we're talking about gmk burgundy's hangul kit... gmk matrix could be run as an alphas-only katakana sublegends AE on N9 kit. Then people could pair it with GMK terminal if they felt so inclined. That might be a bad idea though, considering how burgundy's hangul kit only made it to MOQ with vendor help.

[Special K]

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

Hangul?  I thought we were talking Katakana vs Hiragana...

I was just using GMK Burgundy, which uses Hangul, as an example of another set that used a different character set as secondary legends.

[chuckdee]

So you don't think anyone will care how the mapping is done?  Do the Hangul characters in GMK Burgundy match up to the alpha characters they are paired with?

Hangul?  I thought we were talking Katakana vs Hiragana...

I was just using GMK Burgundy, which uses Hangul, as an example of another set that used a different character set as secondary legends.

Kobe on GMK Oasis might be a better comparison then, even though that sets are Hiragana.

[Special K]

I need to supply a vector graphics file with katakana characters in order for an artist to create renders.  A brief Google search reveals this page with lots of different font choices:

https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/katakana

Would any of these look OK, or does someone have a better recommendation?  Is there a "preferred" source that other sets with secondary legends have used?  I realize that not all of these are free.

[Giorgio]

I need to supply a vector graphics file with katakana characters in order for an artist to create renders.  A brief Google search reveals this page with lots of different font choices:

https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/katakana

Would any of these look OK, or does someone have a better recommendation?  Is there a "preferred" source that other sets with secondary legends have used?  I realize that not all of these are free.

It's going to be very expensive to pay for the artist and for the new gmk molds. This assuming that gmk is willing to invest in new molds, which require a serious commitment on their part, more serious than the money that we pay them.

[dimo]

I need to supply a vector graphics file with katakana characters in order for an artist to create renders.  A brief Google search reveals this page with lots of different font choices:

https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/katakana

Would any of these look OK, or does someone have a better recommendation?  Is there a "preferred" source that other sets with secondary legends have used?  I realize that not all of these are free.

This set needs to be very popular if you want to pull of new legends for all the alphas.

GMK space cadet and laser are the only ones which will and have successfully do this and those are some of the most hyped up sets in the community.


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[pvd]

I need to supply a vector graphics file with katakana characters in order for an artist to create renders.  A brief Google search reveals this page with lots of different font choices:

https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/katakana

Would any of these look OK, or does someone have a better recommendation?  Is there a "preferred" source that other sets with secondary legends have used?  I realize that not all of these are free.

This set needs to be INSANELY popular if you want to pull of new legends for all the alphas.

GMK space cadet and laser are the only ones which will and have successfully do this and those are some of the most hyped up sets in the community.


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I don’t think this is true. GMK Burgundy had a MOQ of 100 for Hangul alphas (which required new molds, but didn’t include a num row).

If the katakana alphas are part of the base set (which is the obvious decision) then the set may be more expensive than normal but there’s no reason to think it will be absurdly priced or require an absurd MOQ.

[Special K]

I need to supply a vector graphics file with katakana characters in order for an artist to create renders.  A brief Google search reveals this page with lots of different font choices:

https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/katakana

Would any of these look OK, or does someone have a better recommendation?  Is there a "preferred" source that other sets with secondary legends have used?  I realize that not all of these are free.

It's going to be very expensive to pay for the artist and for the new gmk molds. This assuming that gmk is willing to invest in new molds, which require a serious commitment on their part, more serious than the money that we pay them.

The cost of the renders is not an issue provided I can supply a proper vector graphics file.

[Giorgio]

I don't know... You're trying to reach perfect fidelity in an aspect that 99.9999% of people can't even recognize after an explanation. Seem like another Eclipse to me.

[Special K]

I've noticed that there are now multiple sets that feature Katakana sublegends.  Example (GMK Fuji): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111695.new#new

That said, would anyone be interested in this set given that Katakana sublegend molds already exist?  The primary critique against this set when I first proposed it was the cost of the then non-existent Katakana sublegends.

[Raptor_N60]

I've noticed that there are now multiple sets that feature Katakana sublegends.  Example (GMK Fuji): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111695.new#new

That said, would anyone be interested in this set given that Katakana sublegend molds already exist?  The primary critique against this set when I first proposed it was the cost of the then non-existent Katakana sublegends.

You might need to reconsider the current taste of the market, and the level of polish ic posts are required to have.

IMO it is a good idea to overhaul the ic, make some changes, more renders, and post it again.

[kapowaz]

Looking forward to a new IC for a Matrix-inspired set swiftly followed by a denial that it has anything to do with The Matrix…!

[Bobatype]

I've noticed that there are now multiple sets that feature Katakana sublegends.  Example (GMK Fuji): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111695.new#new

That said, would anyone be interested in this set given that Katakana sublegend molds already exist?  The primary critique against this set when I first proposed it was the cost of the then non-existent Katakana sublegends.

First off, wow this is an old IC from 2016. Community was sure much nicer and less stringent when it came to interest checking concepts.

A good Matrix themed keycap set will always be appreciated, however it's going to be hard to properly evaluate this set's potential without some new renders, because your current ones do an incredible disservice to what it could look like.
Note that KAT Cyberspace was a pretty popular set that ran that had some Matrix-ish vibes. Albeit that was in KAT profile, with glow in the dark legends, and PBT Dyesub.
Given GMK's recent tightening of IP rules, you're going to have be a bit more careful too.
Note that there's always the potential of ePBT or IFK or Geekark as manufacturers when it comes to cherry profile albeit they're PBT dyesubbed legends, not ABS doubleshot.

If you really want to give this idea the best platform of revival of interest in 2021, I second the above comment that a revamped IC with new polished renders and kits is sort of expected community standard, or most people will just ignore this set. Even then with polished renders and kits, people are ruthless in when criticising a set...
Anyways, as is, I don't like the green mods, and I would like to see some novelties and better renders to tie it all together.
Best of luck if you revive this IC!