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Offline seh0nk

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[IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:01:36 »
PBT Slash
Note: Posting on behalf of Keebsforall and KeyboardFishy

Beautiful, bold gradient set inspired by Japanese sunset.


This set is going into groupbuy! Link coming as soon as GB post is approved.


Introduction
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Hi everyone, my name is FishyKeebs, you may know me on discord as seveN#2261.  Welcome to the interest check for PBT Slash.

My inspiration for this set came from this Japanese artwork with a moon over a mountain.  I wanted to include the sky colors, so I decided a gradient set would look represent that well.  A red moon would highlight the colors well and the rest of the gradient represents the night sky colors.

The set will be dye-subbed PBT from Infinikey. Samples will be ordered soon to ensure color accuracy.


KeebsForAll Discord for updates: https://discord.gg/jT7qRVPG4M
Please fill out the IC Form! https://forms.gle/ncder7c25Zm5NVxw6



Kitting

In the interest of simplicity, we have decided for only an extended base kit to be sold for this GB. If you'd like to see it changed you can fill out the IC form :)

The base kit supports 60%, 65%, TKL, 1800, alice, and full-size. It also has ISO support and an FN key.

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Vendors and Pricing

Vendors
I am excited to be working with Keebsforall.com for this project.

Pricing
Pricing is TBD.

Closing Remarks

Again, join the Keebsforall discord if you want updates! https://discord.gg/jT7qRVPG4M
IC Form: https://forms.gle/ncder7c25Zm5NVxw6

Special Thanks

Candice from KeebsForAll for working with me
seh0nky for the renders and IC
Dotmatrix for renders
Acitrin for kitting help
Simbusped, Aad, Dudeship, for advice and feedback
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:01:52 »
Reserved

EDIT: From the feedback received I have decided to remove the hiragana sub legends.  There may or may not be an alphas kit with hiragana sub legends.  If you have an opinion on this feel free to let me know :)
A 0 key will also be added to the numpad
« Last Edit: Fri, 19 March 2021, 07:54:09 by FishyKeebs »

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:49:20 »
why isn't the actual designer posting?

this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....


this seems fishy bois
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:52:09 »
why isn't the actual designer posting?

this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....


this seems fishy bois

my account is not old enough, so seh0nky was kind enough to post it for me :)

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:56:35 »
why isn't the actual designer posting?

this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....


this seems fishy bois

my account is not old enough, so seh0nky was kind enough to post it for me :)

then wait? it can't be that long
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 21:13:11 »
why isn't the actual designer posting?

this is the second time this has happened, but fishy ain't banned....


this seems fishy bois

I'm not sure what the problem is, I worked a lot on this set with Fishy. The purpose of this IC is to get feedback for keycap ideas, and I think this one does that just fine regardless of who posted it.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 21:18:06 »
How is a Japanese sunset different than a sunset anywhere else?

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 17 March 2021, 21:20:07 »
How is a Japanese sunset different than a sunset anywhere else?
It was inspired by a Japanese painting of a sunset, with a red moon above a mountain.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:29:38 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:36:43 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:44:12 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.


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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:45:17 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:46:44 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:57:28 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.


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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:40:24 »
don't use scene backgrounds for kit renders
don't use scene backgrounds for kit renders
don't use scene backgrounds for kit renders

Set looks fine I guess, not for me. The renders need serious work, the lighting is extremely dull. "extended base kit" barely has any support for anything, and looks like it was done in 15 minutes. It just makes the set look extremely low effort, this IC need serious work.

Also, you really should have color-matched before posting IC.
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:31:04 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP


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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:35:36 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP

You're posting a dm of you calling me a moron and illiterate, I'm trying to be nice here and see your point of view, but when you phrase things  in a way where it just seems like a rant it is hard.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:36:51 »
i can't wait to put this on something with split plus or split rshift. your kit is also missing holes for wkl.

edit: did you seriously just market 1800 support without a 1u numpad 0

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:38:04 »
Cute set, the orange-red really killed the gradient vibes for me

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:38:58 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

i'm just saying it because non of your renders use tsangan layout lol
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:40:03 »

edit: did you seriously just market 1800 support without a 1u numpad 0

Thanks for pointing this out

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:40:55 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

i'm just saying it because non of your renders use tsangan layout lol

Ah sorry I misread what you said, apologies

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:42:40 »
Your iso support lacks a white R3 1u pipe key to go with that ISO enter

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:49:30 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP

you forgot to add the part where you say 'stop turning down my feedback and instead open up to it. i'm much more experienced than you, and though that sounds narcissistic, it's true and is a very good reason to accept the feedback i give.' https://imgur.com/a/Ac0wvtP
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:51:38 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP

you forgot to add the part where you say 'stop turning down my feedback and instead open up to it. i'm much more experienced than you, and though that sounds narcissistic, it's true and is a very good reason to accept the feedback i give.'

Ah, my bad, didn't crop it properly  :thumb:


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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 14:10:57 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

i'm just saying it because non of your renders use tsangan layout lol

Ah sorry I misread what you said, apologies

np, gl
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 15:19:11 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP

You're posting a dm of you calling me a moron and illiterate, I'm trying to be nice here and see your point of view, but when you phrase things  in a way where it just seems like a rant it is hard.

You best believe it's a rant, you did not at all see my point of view and instead immediately threw it.

Also, I apologise for my charged language, I was just mad that you didn't seem to want to listen to anything anyone had to say.


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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 15:27:24 »
This is a prime example of people who abuse KRK and don't learn to render themselves. Look at almost all other ICs and you will undoubtedly see much higher quality renders, IC presentation, kitting and colour matching.

Go have a look and come back when you've decided you want to try a little harder.

We will be color matching this set - this is the first IC, to gauge interest in the colorway. With the 95% positive response we have received, we will be moving onto physical color matching. I'm not sure what you mean by IC presentation and kitting; i think the IC does just fine to showcase the colorway, and the kitting is also quite good, we have discussed it with multiple members of the community.

The kitting is quite good? You're an absolute joke.

Your colleague DMed me, here's what I had to say. https://imgur.com/a/5XuB9QP

You're posting a dm of you calling me a moron and illiterate, I'm trying to be nice here and see your point of view, but when you phrase things  in a way where it just seems like a rant it is hard.

You best believe it's a rant, you did not at all see my point of view and instead immediately threw it.

Also, I apologise for my charged language, I was just mad that you didn't seem to want to listen to anything anyone had to say.

I saw your point of view but you need to understand you came of very rude weather you meant it or not.  I thought my response was very nice but then you went and responded again in a way that came off rude, weather you meant  it or not.  When someone is doing that it makes me not want to listen to them, but believe it or not I did listen and take in what you had to say, even though I still defended myself because you were going off, does not mean I did not listen to you.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 15:47:10 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 15:53:24 »
Half of the renders say Win instead of Super  :thumb:

Yeah, that is a mistake, sorry  :(

I will let you know that the final kit will have "super" for tsangan layouts. Thanks for pointing this out!

but even some of the non tsangan layouts say win
Listen it was a mistake, why are you trying to nitpick stuff, cmon man

This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I understand, it was a mistake by one of the renderers and it will be fixed.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 15:54:36 »
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just had to add the whatever sublegends  :'( :'( :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 16:12:51 »
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This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.

Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.

Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.

So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.
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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 21:36:02 »
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This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.

Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.

Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.

So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.

Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.

I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 21:40:54 by Livid »

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 21:48:46 »
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This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.

Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.

Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.

So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.

Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.

I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.
I appreciate the kind words :) I would like to assure everyone that I am reading and taking in all feedback and criticism and improving based on it.  I know some of you mentioned slight errors in the renders and don’t worry, they will be fixed.  As for other feedback the best way to give it is by filling out the ic form and saying what you want there.  I appreciate all the feedback and look forward to working on changes with this set.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 22:27:11 »
Love it! Any chance we can get a sunset novelty like this one?

« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 22:28:57 by NathanAlphaMan »

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 23:19:56 »
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.

I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 13:06:48 »
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.

I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.

Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod.  They will be changed.  The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 13:11:10 »
Love it! Any chance we can get a sunset novelty like this one?

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I have not thought about novelties, but I will look into this, I think that is a great idea!

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 14:53:53 »
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.

I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.

Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod.  They will be changed.  The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)

Even after you declined that when I said it, you're hilarious.


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[IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 14:55:28 »
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.

I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.

Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod.  They will be changed.  The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)

Even after you declined that when I said it, you're hilarious.
I did not decline anything actually, you said b wouldn’t work which it will, this is just about color :) you’ve also already said numerous times you do not like the set, no need to keep leaving comments
« Last Edit: Fri, 19 March 2021, 14:58:04 by FishyKeebs »

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 15:59:18 »
Tbh, I am quite confuse either this set will use icon mod or text + icon mod. Either I did not read, or is it actually not written anywhere since the base kit and board render has different style of mod.

I am not too familiar with gradient set, but I think the additional "B" for alice support should follow the "N" color.

Hi, I am very sorry that the renders are different, this set will be icon mod.  They will be changed.  The B will also be changed like you said as I have realized that may look better. :)

Even after you declined that when I said it, you're hilarious.

what's hilarious is you coming back to this thread

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 16:06:00 »
weeb
just had to add the whatever sublegends  :'( :'( :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Thanks for this feedback, it seems like there are many people who would like no sublegends so we are definitely looking into changing that or offering a separate kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 16:09:15 »
weeb
just had to add the whatever sublegends  :'( :'( :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Thanks for this feedback, it seems like there are many people who would like no sublegends so we are going to remove them and think about having a separate kit.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 05:45:40 »
Very cute! Please consider offering two base kits, with and without hiragana. I'd snag the latter for sure.

edit: I don't see what's wrong with the renders. I've seen sets going into GB with 3 board renders total without complaint. Definitely not an issue.
« Last Edit: Fri, 26 March 2021, 06:23:46 by mr_foggy »

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 07:42:49 »
For what it's worth, I really like the colors and the gradient looks fantastic. Unfortunately, gradients don't work for me as I use ortho/split columnar stagger and colemak dhm. I totally understand this is too small a niche to cater to, still wish there was a cute gradient set for me one day. Good luck with your IC!

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 07:45:06 »
Very cute! Please consider offering two base kits, with and without hiragana. I'd snag the latter for sure.

edit: I don't see what's wrong with the renders. I've seen sets going into GB with 3 board renders total without complaint. Definitely not an issue.

Thank you :) I will definitely consider this, but for now it is looking like a latin base.  With 2 base kits it might not reach moq though

Offline FishyKeebs

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 07:47:31 »
For what it's worth, I really like the colors and the gradient looks fantastic. Unfortunately, gradients don't work for me as I use ortho/split columnar stagger and colemak dhm. I totally understand this is too small a niche to cater to, still wish there was a cute gradient set for me one day. Good luck with your IC!

Thank you!  Sadly yes, there won't be ortho support :( Glad you like the colors :)

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 13:19:44 »
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This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.

Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.

Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.

So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.

Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.

I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.

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Re: [IC] PBT Slash - Bold Gradient Inspired by the Sunset
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 13:21:42 »
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This is how this community works. People nitpick until they get it right. The biggest pet peeve of this community is people rushing ICs/being unprepared, not fixing MINOR AND EASILY FIXABLE mistakes before posting IC, and the set/renders just being low effort/quality in general.

I think the designer admits that the nitpicking on kitting and other actual keycaps-related stuff is important. Behind the scenes, he's working very hard to fix and improve things based on constructive feedback. However, with that said, some of the feedback just seems weird like debating about the shadows cast in the renders by the keyboard? What's the point of that? How does that affect what the keycaps will look like? Another comment previously asked why the background red stripe was a different size relative to the other strips. It seems like it was just a design choice by the designer and the people who did the renders. If people don't like it, that's fine, but at the end of the day, those background stripes will NOT affect how the keycaps turn out.

Also, keep in mind that not every designer who posts an IC is super experienced. For many of them, it's literally their first time. There are no strict guidelines or rules about how to structure or post an IC on GH. So, it makes sense to just let the community vote on it. The best presented ICs will likely get more comments and views, which will likely lead to better and more feedback, which in turn likely lead to a more successful group buy. The ones that are more simple, will likely not receive as much feedback, which likely will lead to a worse potential group buy turn out if at all. People will just naturally learn and improve from this structure. It doesn't make sense for random community members to police this and force people to post ICs in a specific way if there are no written guidelines and rules on GH itself.

Finally, keep in mind that "low effort" is relative to your experience and age. If you're an experienced keycap designer and have launched many successful ICs + GBs on GH, then this might be considered low effort relative to your skillset. However, for someone else who just started learning about designing keycaps and doesn't come from a design-focused day job, an IC like this might already be a high effort for them. Age also matters. I learn much faster at my current age than when I was younger. Not everyone on Geekhack is an adult. The hobby has grown tremendously over the last few years and many of the new members are younger than people realize. I personally wish I was half as talented as they were when I was their age.

So in the end just think about how you voice your criticism. There is an actual human behind the design and post. Yes, the community benefits from rising standards, but I just do not see how it can benefit when members basically cyberbully other members disguising it as "feedback". Basically, what you say matters, but how you say it matters just as much.

Thank you for putting this into words, I've been noticing this for a while now but couldn't really explain it. What I see in this particular case is someone that truly did put a lot of work in and overlooked a few things because they are new, but immediately fixed them when they were pointed out. And they learned from it - I'm sure the same mistakes won't happen again. Also, in my opinion, the amount of detail in this IC is a perfect amount to gauge interest. Like what you said about younger people, not everyone has the money to afford a dozen renders + novelty designs + whatever else for what is supposed to be the preliminary stage of a keycap set's development. The standard for this has gotten kinda ridiculous and gatekeepy. If you don't like it, give some constructive criticism without being a **** and move on.

I'm not trying to say there shouldn't be a high standard, but this one in particular is perfectly fine, and is/will be a pretty good set.


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