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Offline E TwentyNine

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http://support.pckeyboard.com/PR/APR2014/

(Really, that's a valid URL)

Here's a screenshot:

It says April 1 but it was posted today.

April Fools?  Maybe.  Maybe they saw the fake announcement yesterday and decided to make a real statement.
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Hmmmmm

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I still think it's fake. I'm hoping I'm wrong though...
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Ugly. Need real ssk kthxbye.

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Lol....yeah right.  I'm not getting excited. T_T

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I still think it's fake. I'm hoping I'm wrong though...

I think the announcement could have the real intent behind it.

But Unicomp saying they're going to be making a new keyboard and Unicomp actually making a new keyboard have been two different things for a long time now.
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Feels really fake, but like everyone else, I hope I'm wrong.

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We have been asking them to do something like this for years.  A late April Fool's Day joke, Unicomp?  Really?


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Only time will tell if this is for real. I hope it is. If it were I may try BS one more time, since the good old days when all IBM carried BS boards.

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This might be real:

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Still waiting for red alert cap set from them..... and that's been 2 year now...

So Unicomp SSKs in 2016.... maybe.....
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Then they need to work on their PR skills (obviously).  But yay if it's real, let's hope they can deliver.

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If it is true, then it can be expected to drive down the price of the original SSK...

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tp thread is tp thread
Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Why can't they just keep the SSK layout?

Anyways, I'll believe it when they start selling this on their website.
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If it is true, then it can be expected to drive down the price of the original SSK...

If they introduced a new SSK, but this XSSK (Extra Space Saving Keyboard) is a little too small.

I think the tenkeyless layout is the Goldilocks configuration of keyboards.  Just perfect.
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Well, the size is a matter of taste, functionality is gonna be there. I'd prefer the smaller one myself.

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It is strikingly ugly, but I'd sure take it.

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ETwentyNine, this is a BS keyboard, as in BULLSHEET. Don’t you see that the statement is dated April 1, 2014?

To insult our intelligence, Unicomp even did a poor quality software mockup. I’m sure YOU, ETwentyNine, can hack up a Model M and build a more realistic prototype.

Anyway, trust them to be so slow, even their April Fool’s Joke gets released on April 2nd. Unicomp, the only thing I like about you guys, is that at least you make dyesubs cheap.
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Still waiting for red alert cap set from them..... and that's been 2 year now...

So Unicomp SSKs in 2016.... maybe.....

Agreed. These announcements with the requisite email screenshot come up too often. I won't get hype until I see actual pictures...preferably from someone in the keyboard community.

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Still waiting for red alert cap set from them..... and that's been 2 year now...

So Unicomp SSKs in 2016.... maybe.....

Agreed. These announcements with the requisite email screenshot come up too often.


It is just a tactic to distract us from our current GBs  >:(

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If it is real, it is very poorly timed. Easier not to announce such things labeled on that day, than have to assure people that it's real.
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Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:


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That is impressive!

I would buy this.

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That is impressive!

I would buy this.

Seconded.

That's 2 orders right there. We're almost at MOQ!

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Here's the DT thread from where those renders came from:

http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html
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Unicomp just posted on the Facebook thread that it's not a joke.  This is great news, even if the design is not perfect!

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While it has the original SSK layout (i.e., Function row further separated than the most recent renders) I think this render is still kinda cool to view:

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And, yes I did all of these as "M'er Forever" on DT. The Unicomp project is no joke, but I feel they need some strong advice so as to get it right and appeal to the broadest possible market. This requires NKRO if gamers are to be interested, and that could be accomplished with capsense. If successful enough, that could pave the way for wireless and programmable variants.



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While it has the original SSK layout (i.e., Function row further separated than the most recent renders) I think this render is still kinda cool to view:





Yes. This is perfect.

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Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:


Cool! I want one.

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Can the UniKinesis be far behind? :)

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One thing many companies seem to forget:
It doesn't pay to make only what the company wants to make; it only pays to make what their customers want to buy.
Therefore, 2 new product introductions are in order here -- a classic-layout SSK, and a 60% variant. Completely separate and distinct products for completely separate and distinct preferences.

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What a pretty 60% render!  :thumb:
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Here's the DT thread from where those renders came from:

http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html

The layout in the first post of that thread are different from the one used in OP.

*optimistic*

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Here's the DT thread from where those renders came from:

http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html

The layout in the first post of that thread are different from the one used in OP.

*optimistic*

Yes, Unicomp's design is one that I (M'er Forever on DT) rendered for them although they designed it. The renders in the DT thread are based on my own concepts as they evolved with the help of many suggestions by DT'ers.

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What a pretty 60% render!  :thumb:

Thanks, Zeal! What does everyone think of the "submerged" Lock LED's, which of course are invisible when off so as not to clutter the design?

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While it has the original SSK layout (i.e., Function row further separated than the most recent renders) I think this render is still kinda cool to view:

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And, yes I did all of these as "M'er Forever" on DT. The Unicomp project is no joke, but I feel they need some strong advice so as to get it right and appeal to the broadest possible market. This requires NKRO if gamers are to be interested, and that could be accomplished with capsense. If successful enough, that could pave the way for wireless and programmable variants.

Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.
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My hype for an SSK from Unicomp has been lighted once more and destroyed once more

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I got an email from them this afternoon. I said before that if Unicomp ever comes out with an SSK I would buy one the second it comes out. But this is not the SSK I had in mind. I want a tenkeyless board, not this, for lack of a better term, fugly thing. I really hope that they do come out with a true tkl design, if so then I will getting one for sure. But if this is the design they stick with, then I am not interested at all.
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Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.

You have some links to the technical specifics of this?  Because the way I'm reading it sounds like the controller would have something like 88 connectors going to it.

Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.
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I got an email from them this afternoon. I said before that if Unicomp ever comes out with an SSK I would buy one the second it comes out. But this is not the SSK I had in mind. I want a tenkeyless board, not this, for lack of a better term, fugly thing. I really hope that they do come out with a true tkl design, if so then I will getting one for sure. But if this is the design they stick with, then I am not interested at all.

Please write to them and tell them so.

Attention everyone: Now is the time to respond to their announcement if you want them to change course for the better. Silence in the face of imminent error accomplishes nothing.
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Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.

Perhaps, but with a lot of technical challenges. Capsense is known technology; all they'd have to do is take the Model F capsense PCB and revise its layout to match the new requirements, use the old F-style flippers, then revamp the controller and capsense electronics to use the most appropriate chips and circuitry available today.

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Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.

You have some links to the technical specifics of this?  Because the way I'm reading it sounds like the controller would have something like 88 connectors going to it.

Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.

Yes, I was wondering about the controller issue as well...

I might be wrong about some specifics, since I'm going mainly by pictures in advertisements (I don't read Korean), but see for yourself:

From an ad for Skydigital's "Nkeyboard NKey-2" model:


From an ad for QSenn's GP-K8000U:
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Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.

You have some links to the technical specifics of this?  Because the way I'm reading it sounds like the controller would have something like 88 connectors going to it.

Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.

Yes, I was wondering about the controller issue as well...

I might be wrong about some specifics, since I'm going mainly by pictures in advertisements (I don't read Korean), but see for yourself:

From an ad for Skydigital's "Nkeyboard NKey-2" model:
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From an ad for QSenn's GP-K8000U:
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I believe your interpretation to be correct. The diodes would be on the controller board, but there would be many more connections to be made between membrane and controller. I'm not sure of the ability to add diodes to the existing Model M membrane without being crushed by the barrel frame in the sandwiched construction. Not to mention that attempts to solder diodes to mylar would melt it instantly.
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I got an email from them this afternoon. I said before that if Unicomp ever comes out with an SSK I would buy one the second it comes out. But this is not the SSK I had in mind. I want a tenkeyless board, not this, for lack of a better term, fugly thing. I really hope that they do come out with a true tkl design, if so then I will getting one for sure. But if this is the design they stick with, then I am not interested at all.

Please write to them and tell them so.

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I just did. I hope a lot of others also send feedback.
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I believe your interpretation to be correct. The diodes would be on the controller board, but there would be many more connections to be made between membrane and controller. I'm not sure of the ability to add diodes to the existing Model M membrane without being crushed by the barrel frame in the sandwiched construction. Not to mention that attempts to solder diodes to mylar would melt it instantly.

This is why I said "thin film diodes".  I'm no EE, but from my understanding they would fit the bill (I'll be no-so-gladly corrected on this point by someone more knowledgeable though).
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