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Offline Ustinj

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[IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
« on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:24:52 »
Here goes  ! Thanks to shannie, dandruff, telly, r4wromg, Keebs, westfoxtrot / Max for inspiration, snurrebassen for support and giving me the GL, hineybush (used h60 here), and ai03 for his documentation.

moment - 60% Keyboard Interest Check

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I identified what I had to be a problem - the constant desire to own "something special" continued to grow, and blind my mechanical keyboard decision-making. It dawned on me that no matter what board pops up in group-buy, or shows up on Mechmarket, there would probably be no replacement for one I design for myself. I haven't picked up Blender renders yet so for now you will see renders straight from Fusion360.

The Goal
 
There have been a select handful of boards I've had briefly in the past year that have totally gripped me in some fields but left me longing in others. I wanted to make a board that could be a soft blend of the following:

- Curves
- A lovely and elegant side profile
- Large, softened chamfers
- Dancing on the border between "over the top" and "clean and simple"
- Bottom weight
- Not a stiff typing experience
- My own

I'm going to be renaming the project to Moment. I've been planning to make a board with this name for a while - I guess the 'moment' came a bit earlier than expected. The word 'Moment' still fits my initial theme for the board, one that revolves around time and how things change over it. The word has such a suave, liquid feel to me - something that is there one second and then gone the next, something that can shift from 'one moment to another'. It feels smooth, it feels fluid, it feels suiting for the side profile. The reasoning behind this was that I have spent many years in different hobbies, and my interest for each one dwindles as I move on to another. It is bittersweet in saying that just like other hobbies, there is a good chance that this is just a phase.

The Design & My Reasoning


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Side profile. The goal was to have a side-profile that strayed away from the more 'boxy', industrial, and synthetic shape. I wanted something soft to the touch that would be a pleasure to feel on the desk.



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Angled chamfered edges, visible from above. Boards are very often identified for their side-profile. With slightly emphasized chamfers on the top of the left and right edges, there are key points to the design of this board that are visible from a top-down view as well.


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Seamed design. Many boards today are gravitating towards a 'seamless' design. I find this to be a good alternative to boards that are not seamless, attempting to keep their seams flush. Unfortunately with the latter, due to machining tolerances, these 'flush' seams don't always look perfect and often reveal slight imperfections at the anodized edges. I took inspiration from designs like the Leaf60, adding extra chamfers and an inset that *makes the seam LARGER*. I like the way it looks - serves more as an accent rather than a drawback of the seamed design.



Stainless steel weight. Similar to the ai03's recent Polaris, the bottom weight not only serves as an accent piece but works to cover the screws that would otherwise be exposed on an inward-angled back.



The bottom weight engraving is not finalized yet. I am looking into engraving the above logo on the bottom weight, along with the name of the board. I like this logo a lot. Layout / typography TBD.

There will also be engraving on the inside of the board, on the weight. I will contact the factory I decide to work with and see if it is possible to engrave unit numbers, since I will make this a small run.

Mounting

Moment is a 'seated' gasket mount. There are gaskets on the bottom case that support the plate on the north and south, but no top-gaskets to compress. There are top gaskets on the east and west sides of the board. I would describe it as being similar to a sandwiched gasket mount (the common gasket-strip style), but with only the bottom half of the sandwich. In other words, the board "sits" on the bottom gaskets.

Other details worth mentioning

  • Materials. I plan to have the case machined from 6063 Aluminum, and the weight in mirror-polished 304 Stainless Steel.
  • Alignment pins. After getting my first board with alignment pins, I wondered why more boards didn't feature this. It feels great when the pieces interlock and makes for easy assembly.
  • JST Daughterboard. In addition to simplifying design limitations, the JST daughterboard connection offers another level of protection to keep the board functioning reliably. It will be secured to the stainless-steel weight, so you can access the daughterboard without disassembling the case entirely.
  • Small run. Being my first potential group buy, as well as primarily designing this board for my own personal use, I will likely be producing this board at a maximum of 25 to 50 units - maybe less, if interest is low.
  • Plate Material. Personally, I tend to lean towards polycarbonate plates for sound and feel. I will decide on final plate material after receiving and using the prototype.

Common Questions / Comments

Q: How much will it cost? Estimate?

This is very in the air right now. The outcome would be determined by the prototype's performance / quality - it will determine whether or not I up the unit count, reach out to particular CNC / manufacturers, vendors, etc.  I.e if I'm going to be hand-polishing the stainless steel to touch up manufacturer flaws, unit count would probably be much lower. Answer - no clue for now.

Q: Details on PCB?

Currently undecided on the PCB, but it will take any universal 60% layout PCB that is compatible with the C3 Unified daughterboard connection (JST). I will be reaching out to Wilba from wilba.tech and Hineybush for potential small-bulk orders for PCBs, once group buy is complete and numbers are tallied.

Q: You should remove the mounting tabs on the side, so that the typing experience is better / sound is better.

I guess at first glance it is easy to assume that the tabs are going to all be sitting on the bottom case. Beneath the left / right tabs, is nothing but free space! I would agree, if I were using the tabs on the side to hold the plate up. However, I am actually using the tabs on the side to hold the plate DOWN. The tabs on the side provide zero upwards force against the plate, when the plate is pressed down. The tabs on the side should not affect typing feel - they are simply there to ensure that the plate does not rattle in the case, since there is no downward force on the top / bottom tabs.

Please see the mounting plan for clarification!

Q: More colors, more layout options?

At the quantity I plan to create, I will be limited with the color choices that will be available - likely will be settling with 2 - 3 colors. With such an even divide among layouts in the interest check form, I figure I will lean towards including all layouts as possibilities to those who are entered to purchase a board.

Q: Isn't there already a keyboard with the moon phase theme?

I had considered the idea that people may draw similarities to other boards with moons on them. There are two that I am directly aware of right now - the Eclipse F-rowless TKL, and the Moon TKL.

Eclipse: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104755.0 (Eclipse! Not a moon phase, but a solar eclipse phase)
Moon TKL: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037 (Yeah, Moon phases - it appears in the production run, they scrapped this logo, though)

I wanted to ensure that I do not intend to 'copy' or 'rip off' any ideas. I want to emphasize that searching Google for "moon vectors", "moon phases", etc will return a the fairly universal "moon phase" diagram that these all feature. On the other hand, I did not want to make the moon the primary theme of this board, but the PHASES. It is just the moon that 1. serves as a pretty nice symbol for phases, and 2. is painted on my wall. I have considered using a silly engraving of an ice cube melting, but felt I wanted to keep things a bit more elegant and relevant to my own history.

I'd also like to thank snurrebassen for reaching out to me and assuring me that this board's theme is not an issue and there is no conflict - stand up guy! Go support Eclipse.

Q: Will there be split-space / ISO support?

The board will be using a hopefully-easily-obtainable-in-the-future "Universal" 60% PCB with daughterboard support. If the PCB supports it, it shouldn't be too much of a concern - just need a minor plate change to get rolling. The two PCB's I've considered including at default are Hineybush's H60 PCB (supports split space, but no ISO), and Wilba's WT60 (supports ISO, but no split space). You can always drop your own preferred PCB in there and get a plate cut!

The Plan / TBD

I plan to order a prototype in the next few days. If all goes well, I will likely run a small group buy of ~25-50 pcs to keep things simple (as mentioned above). The majority of the board's external design is set in stone, apart from a few things such as engravings. If there is anything that leaps out as incorrect or out of place, do let me know and I'll see how I feel about it.

To be determined:

  • Engraving on weight (feedback and suggestions are appreciated)
  • Price
  • Colors
  • WKL/HHKB layout
  • Plate flex-cuts
  • Maybe mounting changes

That is all for now. Until more happens, any feedback and suggestions will be appreciated (but keep in mind, most design aspects are finalized). Any questions feel free to ask as well!

Links

IC Form: https://forms.gle/Shy3QZPji9djoX1u8
Discord: https://discord.gg/XPEFcn8 - major updates posted on discord will be posted here as well.. but Discord may have news on things like limited FCFS, prototype runs, etc.
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jjw_kb/

« Last Edit: Thu, 23 September 2021, 01:01:52 by Ustinj »

Offline Ustinj

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:26:12 »
Current Project Standing
  • Initial IC
  • Prototype #1
  • Prototype #2: Prototype has completed production, currently waiting for shipment.
  • ...
  • Final IC
  • Finalize Group Buy Details (Unit Ct, Pricing, Date)
  • Group Buy Start

UPDATE: October 10th, 2020 - Prototype 1 received, onto revision 2!

I had a few changes already lined up, but Prototype 1 has given me the opportunity to make a few more tweaks that I think will improve the board. Prototype 1 was mostly a success. I very much enjoy the shape and feel of the board's edges on my desk, but was not satisfied with the quality of finish from factory 1. Assembly was a smooth process, and typing feels good for aluminum. I don't have the opportunity to use the PC plate as I intended because the factory messed it up so badly it won't fit.

Changes:

- Lowered overall board height by 1mm
- Increased the thickness of the bottom interior of the case by 2.4mm, the interior surface is now almost completely aluminum (versus the previous 50% alu 50% steel). I suspect this will bring changes to sound..
- Upgraded screws from M2 x 0.4mm to M2.5 x 0.45mm for peace of mind - I don't want to push into M3 territory as that will make the bezels wider than I envisioned.
- Increased the mass of the board from ~1198g to ~1400g (2.6lbs to 3.2lbs)
- Sandblasted steel weight instead of polished. The polished weight was nice, for the first 15 minutes..
- Flex / auditory cuts for spacebar uniformity
- Will be giving the following plates a shot - POLYCARBONATE, POLYPROPYLENE, ALUMINUM
- Increased seam chamfer size. I want the emphasized seam to pop even more.
- Cuts made on interior to accommodate for JST connector position of both H60 and WT-60

UPDATE: November 28th, 2020 - Project renamed to 'Moment'

Hello all,

Many may be aware that there is currently another project being run on Geekhack sharing the name 'Phase': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109807.0

I reached out to LZ to discuss the names - it turns out that LZ had shared this project to his personal blog on August 28th, about a week before I posted my project on Geekhack. Unfortunately, I was not aware of his personal blog and wasn't able to find another board named Phase - so that is why I went through with it. LZ mentioned that his project was already undergoing production so it was too late to make any changes. HOWEVER, he also mentioned that it should be fine if the boards share a name due to the fact that the two boards are very different in layout, design, etc.

I did have a particular attachment to the name 'Phase' for my project, due to the theming. It's very true that often times, my hobbies and obsessions turn out to be temporary (see: headphones, knives, pens, certain games, etc.) - by naming my keyboard 'Phase', it seemed consistent to include keyboards into the broad overarching theme of being 'just a phase'. Also the middle letter of PHASE is an A and it lets me throw in my logo ;) That being said, I have the "O.K." to keep the name Phase. But for reasons, I will be renaming the project:

- Courtesy; LZ first posted for his project before mine, so naturally it would be polite to move.
- Identity; I would like for the project to have its own identity. I want future owners (myself included as a creator) to feel a sense of pride in ownership of something unique and 'itself'.
- The two go hand in hand!

Renaming the project is a very difficult decision for me to make, especially since many hours have been put into it as it is. Unfortunately, the 'moonphase' engravings will no longer be present under the USB port ... this one especially pains me as I received a few DMs about how the moon theme is quite possibly the most attractive point of the board! :(

I understand that some of you may not be happy with the name and branding change for the board.

I'm going to be renaming the project to Moment. I've been planning to make a board with this name for a while - I guess the 'moment' came a bit earlier than expected. The word 'Moment' still fits my initial theme for the board, one that revolves around time and how things change over it. The word has such a suave, liquid feel to me - something that is there one second and then gone the next, something that can shift from 'one moment to another'. It feels smooth, it feels fluid, it feels suiting for the side profile.

Hopefully it sits well  :) have a good weekend!







 Typing tests will come from Prototype 2, I'd like for it to more represent the production run product (in case things sound different).

thank

UPDATE: December 16th, 2020 - Prototype 2

Link to full update: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108593.msg2993464#msg2993464

A few typing tests: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/sets/moment-prototype-2/s-JlHqcZmErHT

  • Aluminum plate, RT Blacks (205g0)
  • PC Plate, RT Blacks (205g0)
  • PC Plate, Gateron Inks (205g0)
  • PP Plate, CK Lavenders (JWK) (205g0)


Flex (PP Plate)

Some thoughts:
  • Finish is superb. Anodization is spotless (externally), the dark-gray is exactly what I wanted.
  • Sandblasted steel weight is interesting - feels very smooth, smoother than aluminum. It can shine quite brightly under direct light, but otherwise appears as dull warm gray. I really like the feel of it.
  • Forgot to add some relief cuts to the aluminum plate - we'll get 'em next time.
  • A lot of flex with the plastic plates... PP can get a super soft typing feel.

TODO:
Next prototype will be more or less the same structurally, but will have the updated engravings and will be a chance to test another production anodization. Might look to tighten up some tolerances / discuss with the manufacturer to make the top and bottom fit near-perfectly. May look back into mirror-polished SS (would cost more), or coated brass weight for e-white (gold + white is a great combination in my eyes). Also want to pick up an aluminum half plate ... keep forgetting that!


TL;DR. Prototype 2 arrived, very happy and very close to what I envisioned the final keyboard to be. Prototype 3 should hopefully be the final revision, then we can proceed to GB.

UPDATE: March 10th, 2021 - Timeline Update

Hello,

Just wanted to post an update for those following this project! Over the past few months I've leaned closer towards the idea of having reputable vendors run this project rather than a self-run groupbuy for the following reasons:

1. More peace of mind for buyers
2. Can handle higher quantities, and get lower prices
3. Saves time

While the ideal scenario would be to run this prior to my other project, finding a vendor willing to run this project for the US was a little bit more difficult than anticipated. The primary issue I find is regarding risk and being able to price the board according to demand, making sure that said amount of boards would even sell. In the end, it seems that the most likely scenario is for Cloudline to run first, build some reputation, then have Moment run as a follow up. This board is still on the timeline though - it is by no means being abandoned or scrapped.

TL;DR.. currently holding for vendors on Moment for higher unit counts, ideally lower prices - downside is we must wait.

Some supporters have pitched the idea of running it in a smaller self-run group buy (basically, the original plan) while waiting for vendors to open up for a public vendor-run group buy. I'm not opposed to this idea, but things to be noted are that prices will without a doubt be more expensive in a small buy (which is kind of a bummer when group buy prices later on will be cheaper). To compensate, it figures that the small buy would have to be 'special' in some way - something I am still brainstorming with.

On another note, still waiting for the (hopefully) final prototype for this board. Factories have recently resumed progress through Lunar New Year which, as expected, increases wait time. Also revisiting the mirror-finish, trying an alternative method to working with engravings on mirror polished steel.

Typing Test - Hyperglide MX Blacks, PC plate


UPDATE: April 9th, 2021 - Waiting

Second prototype is great. As of now I'm aiming to launch the Cloudline project and then see if vendors would be interested in running Moment. The board sounds and feels fantastic - usually I would not feel confident tooting my own horn, but I think the latest prototype is something very special. Also pretty set on including this color when it happens; it's a dull and slightly faded shade of lavender that I think looks amazing. Will get an updated typing test out soon, but I'm very happy with it. I think if / when vendors are ready for Moment, this could move to group buy fairly quickly as I've been making changes in the background.







UPDATE: May 2nd, 2021 - More Waiting ... Unless?

Same as before - happy with the prototypes, ready to go into full scale group buy when my vendors are willing. However, in the mean time, I'd highly recommend joining Discord / following on Instagram for updates. There are possibilities of small Discord sales, small updates / media sharing, etc.

Discord: https://discord.gg/XPEFcn8
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ascend.kb/

This is still slated to proceed for a full group buy when opportunity arises. The reason it's not going now (even if I have the bandwith to do a small self-fulfilled run) is because I'd love to get better pricing (higher order qty) for a later buy.

« Last Edit: Sat, 19 June 2021, 05:01:54 by Ustinj »

Offline JumpStream

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:31:39 »
Loving the look of it so far

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:59:03 »
This looks good! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this one.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:10:40 »
Renders are super clean! I'd love to see a standard layout though!

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:32:59 »
Beautiful board! Iím really interested in the mounting design. I canít really imagine how it works. Not sure how the 2mm gap is being implemented.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:41:32 »
Yummy!

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:22:04 »
Looks awesome to me, good job on the design and I'd back this if it reaches GB stage.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:44:43 »
im in

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 04:26:07 »
Looks like a very promising project! The stainless steel weight is a beauty. Certainly different to the typical brass or aluminum finishes. Curious to know what is the projected price for the board.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 06:02:50 »
Dang. That actually looks quite nice.

Already see myself missing the FCFS sale or totally loosing in a raffle.  But yeah, looks nice man!

Not entirely sure your plate mounting idea will work as intended but well, time will tell :)

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 06:49:15 »
Side profile and ai03 style weight design is looking cool af, would probably get my hands on this if I am able to :))

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 07:25:10 »
Well, I would be into it if it had std ISO and depending on price but, since its your first group buy i understand if there will be no iso for less options and so on.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:27:23 »
I am definitely interested if HHKB layout isn't the only option. This looks very nice and well thought out. I am especially interested in the mounting system and really hope it comes out nice in the prototype. I will be following closely. Good luck.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:30:55 »
Yup, count me in on this one

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:37:33 »
Really interested in this board, while I love the look of the HHKB layout, I think a standard layout would be a good addition. Also, this board seems like it could be in very high demand, so I would consider raffleing some, if not all of the kits.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:01:27 »
The design and the details are out of this world, really like this! It looks mega expensive, hope that the manufacturer of your choice can do it reliably and cheap. Also I agree with the rest of the users, maybe a standard layout would be nice, but as is it's beautiful anyway. I would love to be one of those 50 group buyers, but something tells me this is going to be mad expensive.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:53:39 »
This is absolutely gorgeous!

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:57:30 »
This is a cool project. My only point of concern is putting a USB port hole in the middle of a piece of material that is going to be polished.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:24:21 »
Really nice design  subscribing

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:27:17 »
Definitely interested. Subscribed and looking forward to how this turns out!

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:40:48 »
Hmmm 25-50 you say

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:13:57 »
This looks outstanding, very interested in a WKL version.  Great work  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:42:03 »
very handsome - IC filled out and looking forward to seeing more!
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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:43:33 »
Thanks for the kind words everyone. I opened up a Google form for those who may stop by and have input.

https://forms.gle/Shy3QZPji9djoX1u8

This is a cool project. My only point of concern is putting a USB port hole in the middle of a piece of material that is going to be polished.

Valid concern, thank you - I spoke to one manufacturer and they got back to me saying that things were fine, but the small engraved lettering on the inner-face of the weight would not be polished. Since they mentioned this and not the port, I think I'll test my luck and see how the proto goes.




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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:44:05 »
Wow. Definitely interested.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:01:53 »
I like the gentle curves.  Gotta be careful not to scratch the USB port area, for sure.  Interested.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:04:00 »
Quote
Valid concern, thank you - I spoke to one manufacturer and they got back to me saying that things were fine, but the small engraved lettering on the inner-face of the weight would not be polished. Since they mentioned this and not the port, I think I'll test my luck and see how the proto goes.

I'll rephrase since that wasn't what I was getting at.
My concern is: If it were on my desk and in rotation with other boards, I wouldn't want the USB cutout near a highly sensitive finish. We're all bound to get a bit assertive with our USBing. This is just my two cents though; The M-60 has done it and I've never seen any owners complain about it.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 19:22:28 »
+1 for standard layout, the sound signature on this should be interesting with that mounting. Polish looks beautiful.

GLWIC :)

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 20:12:36 »
Filled out the form. You sir just got a new follower.

Hoping you could increase the number of units for the GB, you'll have a lot of people crying over that number, and I mean a lot, maybe including myself.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 21:07:11 »
Love the look and the interesting mounting system. Would definitely buy

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 13 September 2020, 21:38:16 »
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 01:16:38 »
Interesting. Count me in if WKL!

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:11:51 »
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?

Thanks for your input. I had considered the idea that people may draw similarities to other boards with moons on them - funny enough, I had not been thinking of the Eclipse keyboard but the Moon TKL that people would become privy to:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037

That being said, I wanted to ensure that I do not intend to 'copy' or 'rip off' any ideas. I want to emphasize that searching Google for "moon vectors", "moon phases", etc will return a the fairly universal "moon phase" diagram that these all feature. On the other hand, I did not want to make the moon the primary theme of this board, but the PHASES. It is just the moon that 1. serves as a pretty nice symbol for phases, and 2. is painted on my wall. I have considered using a silly engraving of an ice cube melting, but felt I wanted to keep things a bit more elegant and relevant to my own history.

I hope this clears things up! Not trying to come off as defensive, just wanted to give a bit more insight into the reasoning behind the board's theme.

Small updates, more details on mounting, and commonly asked questions


I will be testing some cuts in the plate. This is to encourage that the plate tabs will stress at its weak points. We will see how this plays with the original plan to use the bottom case as a 'fulcrum' for the plate to lever on. However, this does detract from my original intent to keep the tabs with a wide area of contact on the bottom case for a more consistent sound. Testing will be the teller here; I will be giving both the solid plate, as well as the cut plate a try to see which one fares better.



Q: Details on PCB?

Currently undecided on the PCB, but it will take any universal 60% layout PCB that is compatible with the C3 Unified daughterboard connection (JST). I will be reaching out to Wilba from wilba.tech and Hineybush for potential small-bulk orders for PCBs, once group buy is complete and numbers are tallied.

Q: Don't you think you should remove the mounting tabs on the side, so that the typing experience is better / sound is better?

I got this a few times... I guess at first glance it is easy to assume that the tabs are going to all be sitting on the bottom case. Beneath the left / right tabs, is nothing but free space!

I would agree, if I were using the tabs on the side to hold the plate up. However, I am actually using the tabs on the side to hold the plate DOWN. The tabs on the side provide zero upwards force against the plate, when the plate is pressed down. The tabs on the side should not affect typing feel - they are simply there to ensure that the plate does not rattle in the case, since there is no downward force on the top / bottom tabs.

I made a diagram to more clearly explain the mounting system, please see original post (or click this spoiler).



Q: More colors, more layout options?

At the quantity I plan to create, I will be limited with the color choices that will be available - likely will be settling with 2 - 3 colors. **With such an even divide among layouts in the interest check form, I figure I will lean towards including all layouts as possibilities to those who are entered to purchase a board.**







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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:44:30 »
If the price is right, I'll definitely join!   :thumb:
I like SA

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 05:15:33 »
If layout is still open for consideration, split spacebar would elevate this a notch

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 05:16:51 »
You need to put the link to the form in the OP for people who are just as lazy as I am

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 11:23:07 »
Definitely an interesting design, assuming I can afford the price  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 11:44:31 »
Looks like a racecar version of Verne. I like it.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 19:53:21 »
Really enjoy this. The seam really is a nice accent to the board; it reminds me of Zambumon's Verne, which also has some flowy lines in its profile.

The moon phases is a nice touch, and actually is very similar to the Eclipse 70% back weight. This isn't a bad thing, just makes me want to secure both :)


Looking forward to see how this progresses.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 22:35:04 »
Do you have a targeted price for this one?

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 23:39:02 »
Added some commonly asked q's on the main post, regarding price, PCB, unit count, mounting, etc.

I appreciate all the feedback and responses! I will do my best to ensure that the end result is something special.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 15 September 2020, 00:02:16 »
Definetly interested in this one. Keeping a close eye on this thread

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 15 September 2020, 21:24:53 »
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?

Thanks for your input. I had considered the idea that people may draw similarities to other boards with moons on them - funny enough, I had not been thinking of the Eclipse keyboard but the Moon TKL that people would become privy to:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037

That being said, I wanted to ensure that I do not intend to 'copy' or 'rip off' any ideas. I want to emphasize that searching Google for "moon vectors", "moon phases", etc will return a the fairly universal "moon phase" diagram that these all feature. On the other hand, I did not want to make the moon the primary theme of this board, but the PHASES. It is just the moon that 1. serves as a pretty nice symbol for phases, and 2. is painted on my wall. I have considered using a silly engraving of an ice cube melting, but felt I wanted to keep things a bit more elegant and relevant to my own history.

I hope this clears things up! Not trying to come off as defensive, just wanted to give a bit more insight into the reasoning behind the board's theme.

oh totally! I didn't mean to insinuate that at all. The Eclipse was just the first thing that came to mind. FWIW this board doesn't remind me of that one in any other way but the moon phases logo. Plus it's not so similar that it appears to be a rip-off in any way. Also, this design looks to be MUCH better executed that the Eclipse. And yeah... nobody owns the moon. That's just silly.
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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:30:28 »
oh totally! I didn't mean to insinuate that at all. The Eclipse was just the first thing that came to mine. FWIW this board doesn't remind me of that one in any other way but the moon phases logo. Plus it's not so similar that it appears to be a rip-off in any way. Also, this design looks to be MUCH better executed that the Eclipse. And yeah... nobody owns the moon. That's just silly.

Oh I see, I may have misunderstood - in the end, I'd say to each their own! I don't find much value in comparing the two at all because both boards' designers have different goals and priorities in mind - and from what I've seen, I'd say I was quite intrigued myself by the layout of the eclipse :)

Prototype order placed with manufacturer #1

I have submitted an order for the board from one manufacturer. there are several manu's I'd like to try, but I will roll with this one first for fitment testing and stainless steel testing.

After hearing many stories of nightmares with mirror-polished stainless steel QC, there is a possibility that polished steel units will either be limited, or simply not feasible. that being said, I've done some quick renders using matte / satin stainless steel for the weight and I think it is seriously growing on me. I suspect that a polished finish on steel from the factory will not have the picture-perfect mirror finish I'd hope for. In that case, I will be hand-polishing these weights from the factory if I decide to go that route - this prototype unit will hopefully serve both as a proof of concept, and a polishing experiment.



The arrival of the prototype will answer 90% of the questions I have at the moment. I will run another IC form to take in more information later.

thanks!
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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 17 September 2020, 02:22:29 »
Oooooh matte looks very nice

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 17 September 2020, 03:22:07 »
Even more interested if you decide to offer a matte stainless steel weight.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 02:47:25 »
finally something more curvy and less angular, looks good

Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 05:48:39 »
I love the side profile on this board. The subtle curves combined with the pronounced seam. Chef's kiss.

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Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 08:40:18 »
I like the curvy yet clean design and the subtle moon phase engraving near the USB C port! Very interesting mounting idea, will be waiting to hear on the results from proto testing.