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Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:27:20 »
they never lead to anything good. and we are a keyboard forum, not a political/religious forum.

i can only block so many people.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:29:25 »
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:32:19 »
Is racism politics?  If so, then I'm in agreement.

(Religion?  Really?  What threads have had a religious theme lately?)

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:38:26 »
Please
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:39:09 »
I would support this.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:39:26 »
Is racism politics?  If so, then I'm in agreement.

(Religion?  Really?  What threads have had a religious theme lately?)

racism will lead back to both most of the time.

and did you not see endzone's idiotic god rambling?
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:39:32 »
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:45:49 »
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 18:50:02 »
Is racism politics?  If so, then I'm in agreement.

(Religion?  Really?  What threads have had a religious theme lately?)

racism will lead back to both most of the time.

and did you not see endzone's idiotic god rambling?

Probably happened after I added him to my blocked list.   

Anyway, disregard my previous comment.  I'm getting pretty burned out on the forum, after I pay for the group buys I'm in at the moment I think I'm taking a break. 

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:01:31 »
Yes, please. The last thing I want to look at when I do my daily browse of GH is religious/political arguments. I much rather see you guys argue about whether or not switch stickers do anything at all.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:06:43 »
I would say ban it in the main forums, but allow it in off topic posts made specifically for it. I don't care if you want to make an ass of yourself in a "Talk about politics" thread, but if you're doing it on a thread about anything else it's a problem. Don't wanna see it? Don't click it.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:11:57 »
It does show up in tapatalk timeline though. The thread, I mean.

Generally I'm in agreement that if they are in off topic they should be okay. I started to get sucked into one until I came to my senses. Not gonna go there any more.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:13:29 »
they never lead to anything good. and we are a keyboard forum, not a political/religious forum.

i can only block so many people.

Without these topics, iri wouldn't have such an awesome signature.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:22:59 »
they never lead to anything good. and we are a keyboard forum, not a political/religious forum.

i can only block so many people.

Well, I don't think we should ban political/ religious debate, as such debate is not without merit.  However, if you have come to a point where you have to block people, then we have a different problem:  abuse and harassment, which should never be tolerated.  If you have been harassed via PM, that is a serious matter, and should be dealt with by the mods.  But maybe everybody should tone it down a bit, and be more respectful of people we disagree with.  demik should not have to block people.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:34:54 »
Signed.  Unless it's random asides in unrelated posts--fine.  But dedicated political / religious threads should not be created on a Keyboard forum.  There have been a few of those lately.  Like a whole discussion on media and racism...
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 21:18:09 »
Yeah, I'm fine with this. I get way too frustrated with the idiocy people bring in to these discussions.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 21:25:20 »
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:02:00 »
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:06:29 »
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36895.0

This is the epitome of veering into this "stuff"...
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:10:14 »
Yeah, that thread... 
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:43:29 »
So it's not a good idea to tell people how wrong they are and how right I am?

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:45:22 »
So it's not a good idea to tell people how wrong they are and how right I am?
You're on this internet. This is always allowed.

Infact its usally better if you are wrong.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 13:52:51 »
So it's not a good idea to tell people how wrong they are and how right I am?
You're on this internet. This is always allowed.

Infact its usally better if you are wrong.

Are you telling me I'm wrong!! WHAT!!! I bet you belong to the CHURCH of AWESOMEFACE because you people are always smiling and its getting really old. And I bet your an INDEPENDENT to. ;) :P

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 14:45:59 »
I would say ban it in the main forums, but allow it in off topic posts made specifically for it. I don't care if you want to make an ass of yourself in a "Talk about politics" thread, but if you're doing it on a thread about anything else it's a problem. Don't wanna see it? Don't click it.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 19:02:17 »
I would say ban it in the main forums, but allow it in off topic posts made specifically for it. I don't care if you want to make an ass of yourself in a "Talk about politics" thread, but if you're doing it on a thread about anything else it's a problem. Don't wanna see it? Don't click it.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 19:06:48 »
I would say ban it in the main forums, but allow it in off topic posts made specifically for it. I don't care if you want to make an ass of yourself in a "Talk about politics" thread, but if you're doing it on a thread about anything else it's a problem. Don't wanna see it? Don't click it.

This.

Would be easier to implement this than to stop it entirely.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 07:36:32 »
I would say ban it in the main forums, but allow it in off topic posts made specifically for it. I don't care if you want to make an ass of yourself in a "Talk about politics" thread, but if you're doing it on a thread about anything else it's a problem. Don't wanna see it? Don't click it.

This.

Would be easier to implement this than to stop it entirely.

If this was a rule, there could be some major thread-crapping where someone gets into a racist rant on a thread, and the whole thread gets moved to Off Topic.  Can admins just delete individual posts, with a reminder to take it to the right forum?

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 07:38:44 »
They stopped deleting posts after rootw0rm.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 07:45:34 »
They stopped deleting posts after rootw0rm.

I do believe they have a non-viewable are where some posts get 'moved' to however.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 08:07:02 »
I would support this. Not because these are things that should never be discussed, but because they can not be discussed in a civilized way in an anonymous forum such as this. The discussions I have seen irritate me to the point that I am almost tempted to leave the site.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 08:48:07 »
So things like this are offensive then?

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 09:00:08 »
I figure let people discuss what they like within certain limits, politely, in on-topic areas. If people don't want to see any political or philosophical or religious content, if it so upsetting to them they can protect themselves by staying out of the off-topic areas. Also, mods might want to find some way of enforcing the ToS for infractions that have nothing to do with the topic at all -- like outright insults. The ToS apply to all topics.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 08:30:05 »
What do you guys think about this

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/279666/2/Tenn-pastor-goes-undercover-as-homeless-man-for-week

Interesting, but definitely off topic.  Am I missing something?

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 08:30:57 »
What do you guys think about this

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/279666/2/Tenn-pastor-goes-undercover-as-homeless-man-for-week

LOL, is this off- or on-topic?

Would that topic be worthwhile to discuss or not?

If we 'ban' religion/political type discussion?

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 08:35:55 »
What do you guys think about this

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/279666/2/Tenn-pastor-goes-undercover-as-homeless-man-for-week

LOL, is this off- or on-topic?

Would that topic be worthwhile to discuss or not?

If we 'ban' religion/political type discussion?

I guess it's as relevant as TV shows, or new car choices - to name other threads I've seen recently.  But I can also see the discussion of this article veering pretty easily into racism, or politics.  And these categories of threads engender a lot of strife.  So, move it to Off Topic, but enable the admins to delete threads that get a lot of negative feedback?

I dunno. 

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 09:02:49 »
Humm... While I don't see much sense in arguring about religion and politics (as they are a matter of POV and believe for the most part) I'm also strongly against censorship and absolute regulations of free speech. But, restricting such discussions to the off-topic forum sounds ok (after all they are not on topic, eh?) and should such discussions arise outside the off-topic forum they should be moved there (not deleted or locked). Just my 2 Euro Cents!

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 09:07:44 »
I don't think we should be restricting political discussions just because they may sometimes get heated, or just because some people want cry "racism" at any discussion they would prefer to silence. I mean, there's plenty of heat generated in the keyboard threads. Start a "Topre/MX Red/Buckling Spring: Now Defend It" thread and watch what happens sometimes. We don't ban those discussions, and shouldn't -- let's continue doing what the ToS call for: ban personal insults and factless denunciations. Attack ideas, not people.

And keep political discussions in the Off-Topic area, where they belong.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 09:08:08 »
Yes, please. The last thing I want to look at when I do my daily browse of GH is religious/political arguments. I much rather see you guys argue about whether or not switch stickers do anything at all.
How is that not a religious argument?  :)

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 09:11:04 »
Yes, please. The last thing I want to look at when I do my daily browse of GH is religious/political arguments. I much rather see you guys argue about whether or not switch stickers do anything at all.
How is that not a religious argument?  :)

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 25 July 2013, 17:59:18 »
A constructive religious or political discussion can be instructive.

It is when people try to force their opinions or beliefs on others, and become aggressive and/or offensive when people do not agree, is when things get ugly.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 00:46:50 »
Not quoting 3-4 peoples posts but just recapping and making a point:

By the nature of politics and religion, the opinions are inherently forced onto others, which is in itself a large part of the problem. And also correctly stated, nothing good ever seems to come out of it, and almost always the results are VERY negative. Any polarizing topics will do that. I consider religion a personal topic, just like the brand of tampons some of you *****es use...we all know you stuff your hole, but we don't want to see/hear about it. Most religions advocate prostituting themselves onto others...to get recruits. Just like politics.

I personally find it very annoying and would choose not to see it in the forum, but I "let it go" for a variety of reasons, and am content with how the forum is handled. I'm not a fan of purely banning topics (yes it can be stimulating, fun, informative, but must be tightly controlled or it takes a life of it's own), and I absolutely abhor deletions (with some extreme exceptions or clearly and prominently displayed and easily understood rules of engagement).

Let peeps spew some crap, <perhaps> but absolutely keep it out of the main forums.

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 05:16:17 »
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It is when people try to force their opinions or beliefs on others, and become aggressive and/or offensive when people do not agree, is when things get ugly.

Is a recitation of a known fact 'aggressive'? What if someone is (or claims to be) 'offended' by a fact, or the presentation of something as a fact? The 'fact' can be examined, declared to not be a 'fact', etc. -- but is the submission of the 'fact' already meet the definition of 'aggression'? How do you 'force' someone via the Internet to believe what you believe? Is merely expressing an opinion 'aggressive', too?

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By the nature of politics and religion, the opinions are inherently forced onto others

With respect to you Input Nirvana, I think it is perfectly possible to have a stimulating, intelligent discussion about religion and/or politics without 'forcing' your opinion on someone else. The problem here is that people who have very weak arguments, or no stomach to defend their position would rather see the discussion end, period. And this talk of being 'forced' to witness a political discussion. It feels like someone walking into the Adult Section of a videostore and being horrified by the porno covers and titles but staying behind the beaded curtain to gawp and screech and complain. Stay out of that section and your likelihood of seeing midget porn is much lower.

My theory is that some of these topics start well, and then get trolled by users who don't like seeing particular opinions expressed, so they join the thread, drop some insults into the discussion, and then remain to display their rustled jimmies. The way I see it, these people are threadcrapping -- the political discussion was getting somewhere and then they arrived to make sure it devolved into name-calling.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 07:32:53 »
I think that they should just be banned PERIOD. If you need help finding politics/religion forums, let me help you:

Politics

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:40:17 »
I think that they should just be banned PERIOD. If you need help finding politics/religion forums, let me help you:

Politics

Religion

Completely agreed.  You are very optimistic if you think you can have a friendly and constructive conversation about controversial topics on an online forum, simply because there is a high probability of people being the opposite of those things when posting online.  And because of the polarizing nature of those topics. 
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:45:23 »
We can't have 'friendly and constructive conversations' about anything around here :(

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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:46:27 »
I think that they should just be banned PERIOD. If you need help finding politics/religion forums, let me help you:

Politics

Religion

Completely agreed.  You are very optimistic if you think you can have a friendly and constructive conversation about controversial topics on an online forum, simply because there is a high probability of people being the opposite of those things when posting online.  And because of the polarizing nature of those topics.

Yip. This is a keyboard forum.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:47:35 »
We can't have 'friendly and constructive conversations' about anything around here :(

We can have a good conversation about how bad the BWU is! That's something that we all agree with.
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Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:50:15 »
We can't have 'friendly and constructive conversations' about anything around here :(

They seem to turn into conversations about how playing video games invite demons into your soul and drives out God. How are you supposed to have a constructive consersation with that...