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Offline forevermadrigal

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #300 on: Wed, 08 February 2023, 13:42:53 »
Anyone from the US receive an invoice? I have sent a message but havenít received a response or invoice

Offline Showyoright

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #301 on: Wed, 08 February 2023, 18:21:47 »
Anyone from the US receive an invoice? I have sent a message but havenít received a response or invoice

I'm in the US and haven't received an invoice yet either.

Offline chillchuck

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #302 on: Wed, 08 February 2023, 18:29:05 »
Yea, I'm in the US and have gotten/paid the invoice. Probably just rollin' them out in batches when he gets time.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #303 on: Thu, 09 February 2023, 18:42:53 »
Update on the remaining Moon TKLs:

Manufacturer has told us that Oko held back 40% of the payment and agreed to remit the remainder once they've shipped out Chinese & Singapore orders. Manufacturer finished shipping those, but Oko has not remitted payment yet. There is some pushback from the boss about releasing the remaining boards, so we're actively talking to them to see if we can get some sort of movement. Sorry for the wait, we only invoiced a few customers for shipping and won't be invoicing more til we can confirm the boards will be released.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #304 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 00:53:45 »
Update on the remaining Moon TKLs:

Manufacturer has told us that Oko held back 40% of the payment and agreed to remit the remainder once they've shipped out Chinese & Singapore orders. Manufacturer finished shipping those, but Oko has not remitted payment yet. There is some pushback from the boss about releasing the remaining boards, so we're actively talking to them to see if we can get some sort of movement. Sorry for the wait, we only invoiced a few customers for shipping and won't be invoicing more til we can confirm the boards will be released.

Seems like Oko took the money and disappear isn't too far off to describe this situation....

So if each board is 650, and there are 200 of it, which I am sure the total number is less than that....
40% of 200 * 650 is 52k USD.... Honestly that not that much money to run off with....

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #305 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 08:54:45 »
Update on the remaining Moon TKLs:

Manufacturer has told us that Oko held back 40% of the payment and agreed to remit the remainder once they've shipped out Chinese & Singapore orders. Manufacturer finished shipping those, but Oko has not remitted payment yet. There is some pushback from the boss about releasing the remaining boards, so we're actively talking to them to see if we can get some sort of movement. Sorry for the wait, we only invoiced a few customers for shipping and won't be invoicing more til we can confirm the boards will be released.

Seems like Oko took the money and disappear isn't too far off to describe this situation....

So if each board is 650, and there are 200 of it, which I am sure the total number is less than that....
40% of 200 * 650 is 52k USD.... Honestly that not that much money to run off with....

Perhaps there are other reason?

Gotta remember she's SG based so the conversion makes it a bit better for her. Seems like she went with fulfilling SG and China first as that made up 60% of the orders. Really feels bad for the rest of us. Short of paying for the board twice, not sure there is much that we can do. Definitely won't be doing that. Thanks for trying, Zeal.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #306 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 10:55:54 »
I donít understand what that has to do with the participants. It was the GB runner that ran off, not participants. It doesnít make sense to hold our boards hostage that we PAID for. Manu should figure out what they should do with OKO.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #307 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 10:59:58 »
Update on the remaining Moon TKLs:

Manufacturer has told us that Oko held back 40% of the payment and agreed to remit the remainder once they've shipped out Chinese & Singapore orders. Manufacturer finished shipping those, but Oko has not remitted payment yet. There is some pushback from the boss about releasing the remaining boards, so we're actively talking to them to see if we can get some sort of movement. Sorry for the wait, we only invoiced a few customers for shipping and won't be invoicing more til we can confirm the boards will be released.

As insanely frustrating as this GB has been, it's nice to get actual updates...Thanks, Zeal.

Offline chillchuck

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #308 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 11:07:19 »
I don’t understand what that has to do with the participants. It was the GB runner that ran off, not participants. It doesn’t make sense to hold our boards hostage that we PAID for. Manu should figure out what they should do with OKO.

The Manu doesn't have all of the money they are owed. We technically haven't paid for the boards as it stands right now. We gave our money to Oko with an understanding that she would pay them. She paid partially at the beginning and was supposed to pay the full amount after the completion of manufacturing. If they were to send out all of the boards, they would essentially be taking on the loss and giving away the only tangible thing that they could use to recoup their money with.

The only person to blame for this situation is Oko.

I really appreciate you making the effort Zeal, whatever comes of it.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #309 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 13:05:32 »
It's possible that the manu is owed less than 40% of the actual MSRP.  Oko's profit is likely not zero on these things...

Possible other situation is that Oko ran out of money and literally could not pay the 40%, so she said 'Welp.  Mistakes were made.'

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #310 on: Fri, 10 February 2023, 20:40:29 »
I donít understand what that has to do with the participants. It was the GB runner that ran off, not participants. It doesnít make sense to hold our boards hostage that we PAID for. Manu should figure out what they should do with OKO.

The Manu doesn't have all of the money they are owed. We technically haven't paid for the boards as it stands right now. We gave our money to Oko with an understanding that she would pay them. She paid partially at the beginning and was supposed to pay the full amount after the completion of manufacturing. If they were to send out all of the boards, they would essentially be taking on the loss and giving away the only tangible thing that they could use to recoup their money with.

The only person to blame for this situation is Oko.

I really appreciate you making the effort Zeal, whatever comes of it.

Amazing. Really amazing. And yes, thank you Zeal for being a godsend in this situation.

Offline hungtranm18

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #311 on: Sun, 12 February 2023, 02:33:36 »
I still don't understand why some people get their moon and we don't ? Now how will Manu settle the contract with Oko? Will they liquidate our moon?

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #312 on: Sun, 12 February 2023, 13:20:34 »
Assuming the worst-case scenario and I need to buy my keyboard from the manufacturer how much am I looking at all-in?

Offline IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #313 on: Sun, 12 February 2023, 13:28:29 »
They want another 200$ a board so I can get mine, I'm game. I'm biased (r1 was the very first custom I ever held) but I still like em years later.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #314 on: Mon, 13 February 2023, 15:55:16 »
They want another 200$ a board so I can get mine, I'm game. I'm biased (r1 was the very first custom I ever held) but I still like em years later.

At this point I wouldn't mind paying around that much too if that is what is required here...better than having paid around $750 a few years back for nothing.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #315 on: Wed, 15 February 2023, 14:13:13 »
Dang, pretty good example of sunk cost fallacy here. Drop more $, or give up the $ already spent for good.

Offline floatingskull

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #316 on: Thu, 16 February 2023, 23:07:33 »
They want another 200$ a board so I can get mine, I'm game. I'm biased (r1 was the very first custom I ever held) but I still like em years later.

At this point I wouldn't mind paying around that much too if that is what is required here...better than having paid around $750 a few years back for nothing.

I agree. I would imagine the manufacturer would be willing to settle for a lesser amount per board simply to get them out of their warehouse. If that number were reasonable, I'd do it. Thank you Zeal for all that you've done to try to find a solution. It is nice to have a better idea of what's going on.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #317 on: Fri, 17 February 2023, 02:10:56 »
Appreciate the update.  :-[

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #318 on: Wed, 22 February 2023, 11:36:23 »
Thanks for the update. Sad I missed a lot of this and kinda forgot about this GB. Friend and I both have a board so if there's progress great, else....meh. Whatever.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #319 on: Wed, 22 February 2023, 12:26:27 »
Here's the link I believe you're looking for: https://www.scamalert.sg/resources/gotscammed

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #320 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 16:46:18 »
I just got the refund from Zeal for the shipping that I paid. So, I guess they couldn't come to a deal :/

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #321 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 16:53:47 »
Welp, same here. What a bummer, so we're all out like 6-700 bucks? F

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #322 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 16:55:48 »
Hi Everyone,

Despite our best efforts, the manufacturer has refused to communicate with us further and allow us to assist with getting out the remaining Moon TKL boards. We find it odd, since they originally were willing to help us get the kits out. The manufacturer claim someone in Europe is arranging to assist in fulfilling out the remaining boards, but did not provide a name. We've pushed and asked who/which vendor approached them, but did not receive a name or brand.

I have already refunded shipping in full for the limited participants that I've invoiced. Hopefully whoever is going to take over the fulfillment does come here and post, but I personally have my reservations.



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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #323 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 16:59:10 »
Got my refund for the Zeal shipping. Thanks for trying! Guess back to square 1.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #324 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 17:01:09 »
Thanks for trying Zeal. Much appreciated. Damn.

Offline chillchuck

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #325 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 17:07:16 »
Damnit, we were so close. Some guy in europe about to flex on the community with a couple hundred Moons. Well this gives Oko another opportunity to do the right thing... right guys?  :'(

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #326 on: Fri, 03 March 2023, 19:34:42 »
Thank you, Zeal!

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #327 on: Sat, 04 March 2023, 02:58:36 »
Sadge. Still waiting for this board.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #328 on: Sat, 04 March 2023, 11:25:40 »
Maybe Jae-3soteric is trying his hand at saving the day? I believe he was in on the buy along with us.
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #329 on: Sat, 04 March 2023, 15:58:02 »
Dang, thanks Zeal!
Back to all hope being lost and never getting this board :(

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #330 on: Thu, 16 March 2023, 10:39:44 »
Is there any news or updates regarding the moon tkl?


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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #331 on: Thu, 16 March 2023, 11:13:20 »
I guess just keep a lookout on any EU vendors selling in stock Moon TKLs lol

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #332 on: Thu, 16 March 2023, 11:16:13 »
I guess just keep a lookout on any EU vendors selling in stock Moon TKLs lol
We've already paid the boards.


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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #333 on: Fri, 17 March 2023, 11:14:12 »
I guess just keep a lookout on any EU vendors selling in stock Moon TKLs lol
We've already paid the boards.


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We paid Oko for them, but she took the money. From the manu's point of view we didn't pay for squat.

Offline IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #334 on: Fri, 17 March 2023, 11:53:49 »
Believe from the manufacturers side we paid for half. To keep the scam going, Oko shipped out a subset of boards, and from limited data, some were people local to her who actually had the ability to go through singapore's small claims court. I got two of my five this way. For the remainder, the manufacturer was never paid.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #335 on: Fri, 17 March 2023, 12:03:29 »
If you don't mind me asking, how come you were able to get 2 of them? Did you use some proxies for part of your order?

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #336 on: Fri, 17 March 2023, 13:13:10 »
If you don't mind me asking, how come you were able to get 2 of them? Did you use some proxies for part of your order?

Yes, paid for a proxy from Singapore after seeing that people from there were getting their boards but others werent. Got two, one with the wrong bottom. They're gorgeous, but probably not worth the 3800$ spent for 5 boards and proxying. I bought one spot from Chris of Prevail keys, wrote him to ask him to change the address but he never replied and denied I'd sent him anything publically, then admitted that he just didn't pay attention and hasnt responded when I asked for my money back. Other two the person followed through but no response.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #337 on: Fri, 17 March 2023, 13:16:51 »
Seems like manu is selling the boards we paid. I hope karma will get back to oko.


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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #338 on: Sat, 18 March 2023, 23:17:13 »
Maybe Jae-3soteric is trying his hand at saving the day? I believe he was in on the buy along with us.

This might be our last bastion of hope

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #339 on: Thu, 23 March 2023, 13:46:09 »
Seems like manu is selling the boards we paid. I hope karma will get back to oko.


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Where are you getting this information from?

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #340 on: Thu, 23 March 2023, 15:23:43 »
Seems like manu is selling the boards we paid. I hope karma will get back to oko.


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Where are you getting this information from?

Pretty sure they're extrapolating based on what Zeal said. Which is a very real possibility. We don't know who the EU person is or what their intentions are. Someone attempting to purchase the boards for resale is as believable (honestly more realistic) as a benevolent individual coming to save the Group Buy.
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Offline IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #341 on: Thu, 23 March 2023, 15:58:33 »
>Pretty sure they're extrapolating based on what Zeal said

My impression too, but happy to hear otherwise.

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #342 on: Fri, 31 March 2023, 08:58:02 »
I feel sorry for asking this here, and really tried to find the info anywhere, but would anyone have the QMK file to flash the board or something to make it via compatible?

I tried to flash mine (somehow the flash button in QMK Toolbox was only clickable for a couple of seconds) with a hex file I created on QMK, which seems to have broken the PCB... I have tried resets, to no avail.

OG post also said it was VIA ready, but I cannot seem to find any VIA firmware and cannot seem to make it work in VIA. If anyone has had more success, I wouldn't mind a little help.

Again, sorry for posting here :(

Offline chillchuck

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #343 on: Sun, 02 April 2023, 23:17:04 »
Hey all, I made a reddit post summarizing this group buy and trying to see if I could drum up some traction or get some new eyes on it to jump start communication. Would appreciate an upvote for visibility. Feel free to tell me if I left anything important out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/129ogn3/howling_at_the_moon_tkl_v2_group_buy/

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #344 on: Fri, 21 April 2023, 00:49:34 »
I guess we will never see this board ever get deliver at this point...

Bought 2 of these boards and just went down the toilet...
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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #345 on: Fri, 21 April 2023, 11:43:04 »
Is there any way to get in contact with the manu?

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #346 on: Fri, 21 April 2023, 14:12:46 »
Is there any way to get in contact with the manu?

I think we tried that and it was a fail. Not even our boy Zeal had a hard time getting the boards

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Re: [GB] Moon TKL v2
« Reply #347 on: Sat, 27 May 2023, 22:58:38 »
I feel sorry for asking this here, and really tried to find the info anywhere, but would anyone have the QMK file to flash the board or something to make it via compatible?

I tried to flash mine (somehow the flash button in QMK Toolbox was only clickable for a couple of seconds) with a hex file I created on QMK, which seems to have broken the PCB... I have tried resets, to no avail.

OG post also said it was VIA ready, but I cannot seem to find any VIA firmware and cannot seem to make it work in VIA. If anyone has had more success, I wouldn't mind a little help.

Again, sorry for posting here :(

me too. i really want to have a qmk and plate file for it