Author Topic: [IC] Dolch Green ESC (Read 22977 times)

intelli78 · « **on:** Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:55:29 »

Dolch keyset owners: would you be interested in an Esc key the color of the Dolch square? I am thinking white (or possibly black) Cherry type:

If yes, how much would you be willing to pay for one? Let's assume produced by GMK.

DISCLAIMERS: I haven't run a group buy before. I haven't worked with GMK before. Given that they'd probably need a custom color for this run, it's entirely possible, even likely, that the MOQ would be ridiculous--we're only talking a single key, so even with a lot of interest we're not exactly tapping into economies of scale. That said, it may be less of a problem than I think, and/or maybe this key can be rolled into a production run for another custom set at some point. This is purely an interest check for now. If interest is strong, I will put in the time and effort to figure out the options. If any senior members want to tell me why a single key run is totally stupid/infeasible, be my guest, although productive advice would be appreciated much more. I have always liked the juxtaposition of the minimal green against the dark keys, and I think a Dolch Esc would be quite nice.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #1 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 06:40:55 »

The stock color UN6037 Cyan is pretty close really with CP for the legend color so it matches Dolch set. If use stock color, you only need 250 which isn't too bad. Single key should be like $2-$3. Maybe it would be cool to do also something like Enter, WASD, cursors.

tbc · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 07:24:49 »

a single key is rather ridiculous shipping for international buyers.

- international buyer with $0.02

Dubsgalore · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 07:35:39 »

Esc + Wasd Cluster pls

snoopy · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 07:56:18 »

what about an additional "Dolch"-key?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 08:24:02 »

I doubt such a 'Dolch' legend exist, so it would have to be a pad print as they are not offering to cut new legend just yet. Also there may be some trademark of the name still, in which case they may refuse it.

Candyflip · « **Reply #6 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 08:24:29 »

Maybe a whole function row to justify international shipping, anyway I am in

intelli78 · « **Reply #7 on:** Sat, 15 February 2014, 14:49:38 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 15 February 2014, 06:40:55

The stock color UN6037 Cyan is pretty close really with CP for the legend color so it matches Dolch set. If use stock color, you only need 250 which isn't too bad. Single key should be like $2-$3. Maybe it would be cool to do also something like Enter, WASD, cursors.

Thanks for the info, that's really helpful.

We could definitely expand it to include WASD, arrows, function keys, whatever y'all want. Will definitely need more interest, though. Anybody able to post this on one of the Korean forums?

tjweir · « **Reply #8 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 04:19:59 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 15 February 2014, 06:40:55

Maybe it would be cool to do also something like Enter, WASD, cursors.

Esc, WASD, arrows and Enter, I'd be in for that.

Puddsy · « **Reply #9 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 08:55:04 »

I don't own a set but I'd be down

Cheap GMK love love love

MOZ · « **Reply #10 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:02:37 »

Do I here GMK? IN!

jdcarpe · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44 »

In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.

ebacho · « **Reply #12 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:01:16 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44

In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.

Nav cluster sounds great honestly.

Moosecraft · « **Reply #13 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:24:54 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44

In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.

THIS^^^^

taylordcraig · « **Reply #14 on:** Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:49:59 »

Quote from: Moosecraft on Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:24:54

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44
In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.
THIS^^^^

This ^.

shawn o · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 08:55:49 »

Great idea. I'd like the ESC, WASD, arrows, and enter.

White lettering to match Dolch keyboard.

fknraiden · « **Reply #16 on:** Sun, 23 February 2014, 09:05:59 »

definitely interested.

naokira · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun, 23 February 2014, 09:11:25 »

Also add some FN keys!

1.0 ROW B FN key is not included in OG Dolch set.

avtar · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 15:53:51 »

Quote from: shawn o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 08:55:49

Great idea. I'd like the ESC, WASD, arrows, and enter.

White lettering to match Dolch keyboard.

+1 for all of this.

intelli78 · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 16:40:53 »

Thanks for all of the input.

Who else is interested? We'll need more than ~20 people to make this happen.

JaccoW · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 16:55:09 »

Esc and Fn and I'm in!

Reckthor · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:11:41 »

If this works out I'm in for a ESC Key

Brummell · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 22:50:50 »

Quote from: shawn o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 08:55:49

Great idea. I'd like the ESC, WASD, arrows, and enter.

White lettering to match Dolch keyboard.

Quote from: shawn o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 08:55:49

Great idea. I'd like the ESC, WASD, arrows, and enter.

White lettering to match Dolch keyboard.

Quote from: taylordcraig on Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:49:59

Quote from: Moosecraft on Mon, 17 February 2014, 16:24:54
Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44
In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.
THIS^^^^

This ^.

That ^.

ideus · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 25 February 2014, 23:20:40 »

If you guys are willing to add two 2.25 u shift keys I am in. Yeah, a Leo user here.

tjweir · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 20 March 2014, 09:05:07 »

Is there still interest in this?

mashby · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 20 March 2014, 09:18:37 »

I'm interested.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 20 March 2014, 09:31:34 »

Very interested. But i agree with ivan. I think that we should go to Cp on Cyan

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ideus · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 20 March 2014, 09:57:53 »

A humble esc key now escalates into a full nav + esc + enter, and functions keys? There should be a sweet spot where the quantity of caps, shipping cost, and their price is reasonable. But I think anything Dolch related always has a lot of pull at GH.

tjweir · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 20 March 2014, 11:37:23 »

Proposed Set #1: Esc, F5, F6, F7, F8, Arrows, Enter - 10 keys.

billnye · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:01:20 »

What TJ proposed sounds pretty solid to me!

Count me in.

eth0s · « **Reply #30 on:** Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:36:35 »

If you're doing Esc, then I would want one with white lettering and a blank one too. Blank actually seems most appealing.

Also I would like to see this too: WASD, F5 thru F8, Arrows, Enter.

Kfactork · « **Reply #31 on:** Wed, 26 March 2014, 16:47:24 »

I am interested as well. Especially Fn and some standard Ctrl+Alt+Shift and the F rows.

tjweir · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed, 26 March 2014, 18:56:30 »

Please enumerate your proposed set so we can come to a consensus.

intelli78 · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed, 26 March 2014, 18:59:11 »

I will do so within the next day or two!

ideus · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed, 26 March 2014, 18:59:37 »

Esc, Enter, Caps Lock.

fknraiden · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed, 26 March 2014, 21:03:26 »

interested in that 10 keys tj proposed

intelli78 · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:43:27 »

Guys, sorry I have let this lapse, have been busy with the custom carrying case project.

As I mentioned in the OP, this would be my first keycap group buy, and I'm not completely clear on GMK's MOQ requirements. I believe it's 250, but are we completely free to choose the number/selection of caps in each order? For example, does MOQ=250 mean we could do an order for 250 green esc's for a total of only 250 keycaps? Or choose 10-15 select caps per order? Or what?

Regardless, I am concerned that we're way short of 250.

Would Ivan or another experienced GB facilitator shed some light?

tjweir · « **Reply #37 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:51:21 »

Quote from: intelli78 on Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:43:27

Guys, sorry I have let this lapse, have been busy with the custom carrying case project.

As I mentioned in the OP, this would be my first keycap group buy, and I'm not completely clear on GMK's MOQ requirements. I believe it's 250, but are we completely free to choose the number/selection of caps in each order? For example, does MOQ=250 mean we could do an order for 250 green esc's for a total of only 250 keycaps? Or choose 10-15 select caps per order? Or what?

Regardless, I am concerned that we're way short of 250.

Would Ivan or another experienced GB facilitator shed some light?

Talking to Ivan is probably the best bet. I attempted to get some consensus on what to order, my proposed set is:

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Esc, F5, F6, F7, F8, Arrows, Enter - 10 keys.

intelli78 · « **Reply #38 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:55:26 »

Quote from: tjweir on Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:51:21

Quote from: intelli78 on Thu, 24 April 2014, 15:43:27
Guys, sorry I have let this lapse, have been busy with the custom carrying case project.

As I mentioned in the OP, this would be my first keycap group buy, and I'm not completely clear on GMK's MOQ requirements. I believe it's 250, but are we completely free to choose the number/selection of caps in each order? For example, does MOQ=250 mean we could do an order for 250 green esc's for a total of only 250 keycaps? Or choose 10-15 select caps per order? Or what?

Regardless, I am concerned that we're way short of 250.

Would Ivan or another experienced GB facilitator shed some light?

Talking to Ivan is probably the best bet. I attempted to get some consensus on what to order, my proposed set is:
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Esc, F5, F6, F7, F8, Arrows, Enter - 10 keys.

Yea, I do appreciate that! I will review all replies and propose a set, prob. very similar to that, if it looks like we have any hope of a successful GB. But with only 20-30ish folks interested, I'm not sure what the prospects are. I might be willing to front some of the cost, give everyone the GB price, and sell extras later. But not 200+ orders

Let's see what Ivan says. If he doesn't drop in, I will PM him.

fknraiden · « **Reply #39 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:05:39 »

Yes. Will buy and help meet moq

intelli78 · « **Reply #40 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:07:18 »

Quote from: fknraiden on Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:05:39

Yes. Will buy and help meet moq

fknraiden · « **Reply #41 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:09:11 »

I'd love to get a full mod set if this ends up going from IC to GB

Kfactork · « **Reply #42 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:13:06 »

I would get 2 or 3 set if it becomes a GB at an appropriate time

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tjweir · « **Reply #43 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 19:08:39 »

Quote from: Kfactork on Thu, 24 April 2014, 16:13:06

I would get 2 or 3 set if it becomes a GB at an appropriate time )

Ditto.

terrpn · « **Reply #44 on:** Thu, 24 April 2014, 19:38:29 »

yes....

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #45 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 18:02:16 »

I plan on picking this up as an extras option when I attempt full set GMK Dolch soon.

intelli78 · « **Reply #46 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 18:03:14 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 18:02:16

I plan on picking this up as an extras option when I attempt full set GMK Dolch soon.

That's fine with me. Good luck!

avtar · « **Reply #47 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 19:19:29 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 18:02:16

I plan on picking this up as an extras option when I attempt full set GMK Dolch soon.

How soon is soon?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #48 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 19:31:23 »

Not too far away. Just need to work with GMK to try and get the base set to $100 or less without loosing anything 'essential'.

Latin00032 · « **Reply #49 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:29:27 »

I'm not interested.

I hate Dolch.

Latin00032 · « **Reply #50 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:33:07 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 18:02:16

I plan on picking this up as an extras option when I attempt full set GMK Dolch soon.

Would your gmk dolch set have support for 60% or a hhkb layout?

Not that I'd be interested in it or anything like that.

avtar · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:39:48 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 19:31:23

Not too far away. Just need to work with GMK to try and get the base set to $100 or less without loosing anything 'essential'.

Thank youuu!

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:50:11 »

Dolch set will be very similar in key selection as what was tried in the all grey set buy but some keys will be cut to drop that extra $20. Some of the 'fun' non essential stuff will be moved into the extras pack along with the white/cyan alternates proposed in here.

avtar · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 21:10:16 »

Do you think it would be possible to get just alphas of that dark grey colour? Either as an add-on for the future Dolch group buy or later as a separate one? That way whoever signs up for the Dolch group buy could get a second keycaps set by ordering the extra alphas.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 21:30:03 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:50:11

Dolch set will be very similar in key selection as what was tried in the all grey set buy but some keys will be cut to drop that extra $20. Some of the 'fun' non essential stuff will be moved into the extras pack along with the white/cyan alternates proposed in here.

Curious about the odd legends on the home cluster and no text on the mods. Is that staying? I assume that's what everyone preferred in the previous IC?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 22:52:59 »

Text free mods will stay as long as there is an ISO options, because 1.25 with 'shift' on it looks crazy, and having one with and one without looks bad too. If there is no text on shift, there might as well not be any text on others either. Having multiples of the same keys is dumb and not cost effective. What is weird about the nav cluster?

lightsout714 · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 25 April 2014, 23:03:33 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 22:52:59

Text free mods will stay as long as there is an ISO options, because 1.25 with 'shift' on it looks crazy, and having one with and one without looks bad too. If there is no text on shift, there might as well not be any text on others either. Having multiples of the same keys is dumb and not cost effective. What is weird about the nav cluster?

Sounds good on the mods, looking again it looks nice.

My bad on the nav cluster I was referring to a mockup someone put in the spacebar GB thread that I thought they had just taken from your GMK GB that fell through. Looking at your OP I see they are standard, phew. They look great. Here's what someone else posted.

rowdy · « **Reply #57 on:** Sat, 26 April 2014, 04:29:58 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 19:31:23

Not too far away. Just need to work with GMK to try and get the base set to $100 or less without loosing anything 'essential'.

Excite!

And hope for June deadline as I have run out of money this and next months.

tmk1207 · « **Reply #58 on:** Sun, 27 April 2014, 03:21:37 »

ESC, aswd, enter and spacebar <3

sth · « **Reply #59 on:** Sun, 27 April 2014, 03:24:09 »

i'm in for whatever

Cafiend · « **Reply #60 on:** Sun, 27 April 2014, 08:30:07 »

Totally interested.. All the above!

gh_pp · « **Reply #61 on:** Mon, 28 April 2014, 16:34:07 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 April 2014, 20:50:11

Dolch set will be very similar in key selection as what was tried in the all grey set buy but some keys will be cut to drop that extra $20. Some of the 'fun' non essential stuff will be moved into the extras pack along with the white/cyan alternates proposed in here.

Totally in.
originative still left me stranded with no GMK keyset

tjweir · « **Reply #62 on:** Tue, 29 April 2014, 09:18:22 »

I'm in, excited to see what the add-on set.

Elrick · « **Reply #63 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 06:14:44 »

Anything to be made by GMK I will be in it

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Just name the date when this Group Buy will start, and I shall be there with my wallet.

bueller · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 06:54:57 »

Quote from: Elrick on Mon, 12 May 2014, 06:14:44

Anything to be made by GMK I will be in it .

Just name the date when this Group Buy will start, and I shall be there with my wallet.

Yup, me too. I'm broke as hell at the moment but I'll always find a way to save for GMK goodies.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #65 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26 »

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

avtar · « **Reply #66 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 14:44:14 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

WANT. All of it, please

Latin00032 · « **Reply #67 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 16:17:58 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Any purple keys?

I'd love a black/purple esc key.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #68 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 18:00:30 »

No purple this time, but I do like that idea.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #69 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 18:15:04 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Excellent news! Can't wait Ivan!

Latin00032 · « **Reply #70 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 18:25:27 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 18:00:30

No purple this time, but I do like that idea.

Think about it for a future GB.

Elrick · « **Reply #71 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 18:54:47 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Oh Ivan, this is the BEST news of today that I've read thus far.

PLEASE make it so

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yicaoyimu · « **Reply #72 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 19:05:23 »

Excited! Even though I already have a Dolch set, I can't have too many of them. In for sure.

Elrick · « **Reply #73 on:** Mon, 12 May 2014, 19:08:03 »

Quote from: yicaoyimu on Mon, 12 May 2014, 19:05:23

Excited! Even though I already have a Dolch set, I can't have too many of them. In for sure.

You are so right, once you go Dolch there is no turning back

.

intelli78 · « **Reply #74 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 15:20:17 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Will this include Choc Mini spacebar?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #75 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:23:29 »

No, the odd mods pack won't include any spacebar, well except for minila or JIS keyboard that use but it's actually just a normal B profile key like a shift. GMK says they don't have any spacebar profile keys smaller than 6.25 and nothing in B profile over 3. At least with Choc it's the same profile, even if it's not the same color, at least it's easier to live with on feels.

intelli78 · « **Reply #76 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:24:18 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:23:29

No, the odd mods pack won't include any spacebar, well except for minila or JIS keyboard that use but it's actually just a normal B profile key like a shift. GMK says they don't have any spacebar profile keys smaller than 6.25 and nothing in B profile over 3.

got ya, I figured as much. Thanks for the info.

avtar · « **Reply #77 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:46:47 »

Ivan, any chance the Dolch set could include a 7u spacebar and/or an option to order extra spacebars?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #78 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 18:57:11 »

Base set will have 7x winkeyless stuff too. Extra spacebar separate could be possible for sure.

avtar · « **Reply #79 on:** Wed, 14 May 2014, 19:15:10 »

Awesome! Thanks

BlackDragonTribal · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 07:46:54 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Hello i am newbine. I don't understand which you wrote

"2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey" is mean ESC white on cyan & cyan on dark grey?

"white on cyan ANSI ISO" is mean white on cyan mods + nav?

What color is NP?

Can you help me ?

Thanks

archer · « **Reply #81 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:29:00 »

So this is no longer just an IC for a cyan ESC key, right?

Now we're talking an entire dolch set? along with some other cyan-colored extras?

Either way, count me in! I could always use another GMK dolch set!

Elrick · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:48:15 »

Quote from: archer on Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:29:00

Either way, count me in! I could always use another GMK dolch set!

This person is right, just want a GMK key-set to go through and finally be made. Would that be too much to hope for?

lightsout714 · « **Reply #83 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:55:10 »

Quote from: Elrick on Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:48:15

Quote from: archer on Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:29:00
Either way, count me in! I could always use another GMK dolch set!

This person is right, just want a GMK key-set to go through and finally be made. Would that be too much to hope for?

Word

tjweir · « **Reply #84 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 09:06:00 »

Quote from: Elrick on Thu, 15 May 2014, 08:48:15

This person is right, just want a GMK key-set to go through and finally be made. Would that be too much to hope for?

Agreed.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #85 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 12:51:01 »

You guys will see what everything is really soon. Just waiting on GMK to get back to me... working to resolve some legend/key size combination that I requested for that don't seem available. If the alternate I suggest are not available either, there will be some pad printing but nothing really major.

BlackDragonTribal · « **Reply #86 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 21:43:08 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 15 May 2014, 12:51:01

You guys will see what everything is really soon. Just waiting on GMK to get back to me... working to resolve some legend/key size combination that I requested for that don't seem available. If the alternate I suggest are not available either, there will be some pad printing but nothing really major.

Ok i 'll wait

HoffmanMyster · « **Reply #87 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 21:49:30 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

I'm totally in for this. Surprised I only saw this IC now.

Elrick · « **Reply #88 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 22:18:41 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 15 May 2014, 12:51:01

You guys will see what everything is really soon.

Okay Ivan we will wait, but you know what that is like here on Geekhack, waiting is what no cap-head wants to hear. Patience is a dirty word amongst most of us here.

BlackDragonTribal · « **Reply #89 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 22:57:00 »

Quote from: Elrick on Thu, 15 May 2014, 22:18:41

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 15 May 2014, 12:51:01
You guys will see what everything is really soon.

Okay Ivan we will wait, but you know what that is like here on Geekhack, waiting is what no cap-head wants to hear. Patience is a dirty word amongst most of us here.

Yeah ivan can you set time? example like June....

ApocalypseMaow · « **Reply #90 on:** Thu, 15 May 2014, 23:27:31 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 17 February 2014, 14:05:44

In for Esc, WASD, Enter, F5-F8, entire nav cluster.

This This This!!!

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #91 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:44:55 »

I expect to have quotes and everything next week some time. We got all the legend stuff settled.

Elrick · « **Reply #92 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 19:54:46 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:44:55

I expect to have quotes and everything next week some time. We got all the legend stuff settled.

Just want to finally see a GMK complete key-set here. I won't buy anymore SP rubbish until this one key-set has been accepted and made by GMK. That is my hope and furthest desire in seeing this happen finally. We have not had a decent all GMK key-set made for years.

Time to end our misery and dread Ivan and make sure this one gets put through GMK's molds as soon as possible

.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #93 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 20:36:30 »

I think it will make it. Even the all dark grey set came really close and I know no where as near as popular as Dolch. If we can get big Korean and Chinese keyboard forums to participate too it will be no problem for sure... might even hit into the 400 tier.

avtar · « **Reply #94 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 20:39:06 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 20:36:30

I think it will make it. Even the all dark grey set came really close and I know no where as near as popular as Dolch. If we can get big Korean and Chinese keyboard forums to participate too it will be no problem for sure... might even hit into the 400 tier.

That dark grey

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #95 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 21:33:44 »

I know... maybe sometime later we can do a little alphas kit to make mono set to interchange with Dolch.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #96 on:** Fri, 16 May 2014, 22:53:42 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 21:33:44

I know... maybe sometime later we can do a little alphas kit to make mono set to interchange with Dolch.

Good good

i am expecting that

BlackDragonTribal · « **Reply #97 on:** Sat, 17 May 2014, 01:15:59 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 15:44:55

I expect to have quotes and everything next week some time. We got all the legend stuff settled.

goodddddddddddddddd

garoti · « **Reply #98 on:** Sat, 17 May 2014, 01:37:22 »

Great, ivan.

yicaoyimu · « **Reply #99 on:** Sat, 17 May 2014, 02:00:49 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 20:36:30

I think it will make it. Even the all dark grey set came really close and I know no where as near as popular as Dolch. If we can get big Korean and Chinese keyboard forums to participate too it will be no problem for sure... might even hit into the 400 tier.

There was a Dolch group buy in Korea not too long ago and a China forum was in it too. I doubt that this group buy will get many orders from China or Korea. But it should still hit MOQ very easily.

avtar · « **Reply #100 on:** Sat, 17 May 2014, 06:58:19 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 16 May 2014, 21:33:44

I know... maybe sometime later we can do a little alphas kit to make mono set to interchange with Dolch.

You're saying all the right things!

welsinki · « **Reply #101 on:** Sat, 17 May 2014, 11:39:23 »

ideus · « **Reply #102 on:** Sun, 18 May 2014, 08:24:27 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 12 May 2014, 13:48:26

Just waiting on pricing and updated mock ups from GMK. As soon as I have them I will start up the groupbuy.
For this kit, it will have 2x variation of Esc white/cyan and cyan/dark grey, white on cyan ▲ style arrows WASD replacement, cyan on grey F J, white on cyan ANSI ISO and NP enters, 1.25 and 1x cyan on dark grey win8 keys.
There will be a Dolch base set that will be around $110, a F'n'A rows pack, and an 'odd' mods+nav pack for minila, fc660, choc mini, keycool 84, Pure Pro/Tex, Race, 5000, 1800, and etc.

Have not read all the thread, but are you considering to keep the mods as a separated subset?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #103 on:** Sun, 18 May 2014, 08:31:40 »

No the normal modifier selection will be part of the base set.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #104 on:** Sun, 18 May 2014, 11:01:33 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 18 May 2014, 08:31:40

No the normal modifier selection will be part of the base set.

I like this

Kakkun · « **Reply #105 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:13:38 »

Would love to get my hands on a Dolch set (though it does seem pretty pricey)

Any info on what sort of profiles they'll come in?

yicaoyimu · « **Reply #106 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:18:43 »

Quote from: Kakkun on Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:13:38

Would love to get my hands on a Dolch set (though it does seem pretty pricey)

Any info on what sort of profiles they'll come in?

This is the cheapest GMK groupbuy I have ever seen.

Cherry profile.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:39:44 »

Preview:
BASE

F'n'A add on

Color pack

ODD mods

avtar · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:48:44 »

EEK! I'm down for base and all the options

I know you mentioned it earlier but I don't see it in the mock-ups, could a spacebar-only addon be added?

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:54:40 »

I'm very interested. Would look great with my Dolch PAC case

.

sth · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:57:53 »

i don't have the money for this!!!!

CK Briefs · « **Reply #111 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:02:04 »

GG buying colour pack 100%

pichu23 · « **Reply #112 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:19:09 »

So down for it.

bueller · « **Reply #113 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:26:07 »

I'm in for a color pack, that looks sexy and would probably go with a lot of different sets.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #114 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:34:20 »

Looking good Ivan.

tjweir · « **Reply #115 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:40:29 »

Ivan, you are awesome.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #116 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:43:14 »

Why blank windows keys in the base set? Just curious.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #117 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:51:17 »

Blank Windows keys... because I am tired of endless debate about which style logo and better for Apple/NIX user.
Yes there will be extra spacebar... no need for a mock up of spacebar. There may also be EDOX add on... maybe a blank 37 set or something like this if the price isn't stupid.

TLSC.wipeOut · « **Reply #118 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:56:22 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 09:39:44

Preview:
BASE
(Attachment Link)

F'n'A add on
(Attachment Link)

Color pack
(Attachment Link)

ODD mods
(Attachment Link)

Ivan you are a GMK keycap set hero lol
How much would these cost exactly?

pichu23 · « **Reply #119 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:19 »

Now to wait for the price.

For the base set I assume 104 keys + the ANSI & tsangan add ons right.

Do you think colour pack windows key will look alright with the base set tho..

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #120 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:52 »

Base should be something like $110. I don't have final price for the other yet. Should not be too high though... well maybe the ODD pack will be more pricy as there is lot of keys there.

CK Briefs · « **Reply #121 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:03:46 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:52

Base should be something like $110. I don't have final price for the other yet. Should not be too high though... well maybe the ODD pack will be more pricy as there is lot of keys there.

That's sick!
That's with some pad printing too!
You've outdone yourself, ivan

lightsout714 · « **Reply #122 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:05:11 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:51:17

Blank Windows keys... because I am tired of endless debate about which style logo and better for Apple/NIX user.
Yes there will be extra spacebar... no need for a mock up of spacebar. There may also be EDOX add on... maybe a blank 37 set or something like this if the price isn't stupid.

I understand. Impatiently waiting for pricing. Are you still waiting on gmk or just need to make the GB thread?

oops you answered above.

TLSC.wipeOut · « **Reply #123 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:11:41 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:52

Base should be something like $110. I don't have final price for the other yet. Should not be too high though... well maybe the ODD pack will be more pricy as there is lot of keys there.

=O IN totally IN

pichu23 · « **Reply #124 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:15:26 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:52

Base should be something like $110. I don't have final price for the other yet. Should not be too high though... well maybe the ODD pack will be more pricy as there is lot of keys there.

110 seems alright. I'm going for base + colour pack xD first GMK set. Excited

quochung1989 · « **Reply #125 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:26:04 »

The first thing which i want talk. This is big group buy with too much options. It is almost fit all layout which i know

. But i hope you 'll add Ergodox pack later. But i already don't like color pack. It seems not fit dolch, sorry but i just say thing i think

. And in 3 pack: Base, Fn, Odd; i have seen more key is same same. That can effect MOQ? I see why you make mock up like this. It is good for odd order but it make confuse for people wanna order more than or equal 2 in 3 that pack. That is all thing i feel when i see your mock up. Anyway thanks your effort

In additonal, 110 is great price for base set. I think i 'll go to base,fn,odd

Latin00032 · « **Reply #126 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:31:35 »

I thought the shift keys would actually say "shift" on them.

The originative dolch gb had the shift text on them.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #127 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:33:03 »

Quote from: Latin00032 on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:31:35

I thought the shift keys would actually say "shift" on them.

The originative dolch gb had the shift text on them.

Show Image

They do when the other modifiers have text, but notice tab, caps lock, enter, backspace are symbol only.

Razor Lotus · « **Reply #128 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:38:58 »

Am I missing something?

The pictures and the mockups look slightly different from this

The mods in the picture look alot darker, maybe even blackish already

Or am I seeing wrongly?

nuclearsandwich · « **Reply #129 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:39:53 »

Will the color pack F and J actually have raised nubs like they do in the mockup or will they be scooped like the base kit is?

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #130 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:40:52 »

For ISO user, 'shift' is a problem because it doesn't fit well on 1.25 key... and also the arrow alignment is different on text and no text for whatever reason so even then it would mismatch. Other mods also then don't have text so it is more uniform.

What keys are same in each packs? Only duplicate key is extra 2.25 shift in ODD pack for FC660. F'n'A have same legend... appear to be redundant but it have different row profiles F and A like original 1000 set.

Modern sets use double E and double B instead which is what BASE configuration.

Mock ups are not 100% color accurate... also that picture is Dolch alpha with SP black Cherryesque font modifiers so it's not even the same thing.
Color pack F J will have homing bar, it's something different to have.

CK Briefs · « **Reply #131 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:41:21 »

Quote from: Razor Lotus on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:38:58

Am I missing something?

The pictures and the mockups look slightly different from this

Show Image

The mods in the picture look alot darker, maybe even blackish already

Or am I seeing wrongly?

That picture isn't dolch.
It's the dolch alphas with black mods.
Dolch colourway is what you see in Ivan's preview pictures. Go google some dolch keyboards or check 'dolch' on ebay for the right colourways

bazh · « **Reply #132 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:41:23 »

Quote from: Razor Lotus on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:38:58

Am I missing something?

The pictures and the mockups look slightly different from this

Show Image

The mods in the picture look alot darker, maybe even blackish already

Or am I seeing wrongly?

Gmk mock-up are usually lighter than they might appear

But, why blank windows key, why :(

tjweir · « **Reply #133 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:47:46 »

I was hoping for white-on-green WASD and/or F5-F8, but buying the colour pack nevertheless.

Great work as always Ivan.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #134 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:49:43 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:51:17

Blank Windows keys... because I am tired of endless debate about which style logo and better for Apple/NIX user.

If you want Win8 key, you can get color pack. I thought to do just WASD, but I thought the arrow would be more interesting for something different.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #135 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:03:36 »

Oh that mean R0 same profile F???

cphead · « **Reply #136 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:06:38 »

Sweeeet. The dark gray group buy lives on

... as dolch

pichu23 · « **Reply #137 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:08:35 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:49:43

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 10:51:17
Blank Windows keys... because I am tired of endless debate about which style logo and better for Apple/NIX user.
If you want Win8 key, you can get color pack. I thought to do just WASD, but I thought the arrow would be more interesting for something different.

Long shot but any chance of getting blanks as well as the Dolch set windows key? :| I know people will argue and all. Maybe add it in the colour packs? Cause most of the people wants a full Dolch set I assume.

HoffmanMyster · « **Reply #138 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 12:35:08 »

Mockup looks amazing. I'm totally in when this goes live.

Razor Lotus · « **Reply #139 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:13:55 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:40:52

For ISO user, 'shift' is a problem because it doesn't fit well on 1.25 key... and also the arrow alignment is different on text and no text for whatever reason so even then it would mismatch. Other mods also then don't have text so it is more uniform.

What keys are same in each packs? Only duplicate key is extra 2.25 shift in ODD pack for FC660. F'n'A have same legend... appear to be redundant but it have different row profiles F and A like original 1000 set.
Show Image

Modern sets use double E and double B instead which is what BASE configuration.

Mock ups are not 100% color accurate... also that picture is Dolch alpha with SP black Cherryesque font modifiers so it's not even the same thing.
Color pack F J will have homing bar, it's something different to have.

Quote from: CK Briefs on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:41:21

That picture isn't dolch.
It's the dolch alphas with black mods.
Dolch colourway is what you see in Ivan's preview pictures. Go google some dolch keyboards or check 'dolch' on ebay for the right colourways

Alright thanks alot for your replies :) I'll still be in on this

lightsout714 · « **Reply #140 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:44:26 »

Does the majority prefer no text mods. Or are you just doing it how you like it Ivan? Seems like a big change just cause of the iso shift. Maybe just give them a blank right shift in the iso kit

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #141 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:52:47 »

Quote from: lightsout714 on Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:44:26

Does the majority prefer no text mods. Or are you just doing it how you like it Ivan? Seems like a big change just cause of the iso shift. Maybe just give them a blank right shift in the iso kit

I'm running my GMK dolch set with symbol only mods.

quochung1989 · « **Reply #142 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:02:01 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:52:47

Quote from: lightsout714 on Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:44:26
Does the majority prefer no text mods. Or are you just doing it how you like it Ivan? Seems like a big change just cause of the iso shift. Maybe just give them a blank right shift in the iso kit

I'm running my GMK dolch set with symbol only mods.

Yeah me too. I am fan of only mod symbol

avtar · « **Reply #143 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:28:47 »

Quote from: quochung1989 on Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:02:01

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:52:47
Quote from: lightsout714 on Mon, 19 May 2014, 13:44:26
Does the majority prefer no text mods. Or are you just doing it how you like it Ivan? Seems like a big change just cause of the iso shift. Maybe just give them a blank right shift in the iso kit

I'm running my GMK dolch set with symbol only mods.
Yeah me too. I am fan of only mod symbol

Ditto

lightsout714 · « **Reply #144 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 14:41:54 »

That's cool then. I'm in regardless.

pichu23 · « **Reply #145 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 15:23:36 »

Either way, I'm still down for a set.

adamseto · « **Reply #146 on:** Mon, 19 May 2014, 23:37:59 »

Dear Ivan

I hope open GB ASAP . I will forllow GB of you .

GeeNDL82 · « **Reply #147 on:** Tue, 20 May 2014, 00:03:44 »

Do you mind to add another color pack with red color???

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 19 May 2014, 11:01:52

Base should be something like $110. I don't have final price for the other yet. Should not be too high though... well maybe the ODD pack will be more pricy as there is lot of keys there.

MrClaus · « **Reply #148 on:** Tue, 20 May 2014, 04:09:20 »

will this dolch be in abs (made by gmk?) or pbt?

pbt would be terrific for my long-lasting collection

bazh · « **Reply #149 on:** Tue, 20 May 2014, 04:16:25 »

Quote from: MrClaus on Tue, 20 May 2014, 04:09:20

will this dolch be in abs (made by gmk?) or pbt?

pbt would be terrific for my long-lasting collection

Gmk doubleshot, you can't have PBT Dolch with dyesub, and no one wants pad printed

lightsout714 · « **Reply #150 on:** Wed, 21 May 2014, 22:48:39 »

Still waiting on GMK?

quochung1989 · « **Reply #151 on:** Thu, 22 May 2014, 03:21:24 »

Quote from: lightsout714 on Wed, 21 May 2014, 22:48:39

Still waiting on GMK?

Yeah sure

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #152 on:** Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:15:22 »

Nope, just waiting on moderator approval.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #153 on:** Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:37:41 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:15:22

Nope, just waiting on moderator approval.

Sweet!!

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #154 on:** Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:38:38 »

if anyone can't wait you can see it up at DT

cphead · « **Reply #155 on:** Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:45:37 »

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Thu, 22 May 2014, 14:38:38

if anyone can't wait you can see it up at DT

The colorpack is sweeeeet.

swornxin · « **Reply #156 on:** Sun, 25 May 2014, 21:54:09 »

I would be interested in this for sure.

avtar · « **Reply #157 on:** Sun, 25 May 2014, 22:14:45 »

Quote from: swornxin on Sun, 25 May 2014, 21:54:09

I would be interested in this for sure.

It's happening, buddy http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0 Get in on it.

intelli78 · « **Reply #158 on:** Mon, 26 May 2014, 16:24:01 »

On that note, >LOCK<

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