Author Topic: [IC] GMK WoB Alpha Addons (APL, Katakana) (Read 18064 times)

illusixn · « **on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:51:22 »

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I've mostly moved away from using/being interested in super colorful keysets, and end up using WoB or beige a lot of the time. I do, however, like to change things up a bit and I think sublegended alphas are a good way to do that. Once all the alpha kits I picked up during CRP R4 ship, I'll have all I need to have a solid rotation of beige alphas with sublegends. Now, I want to be in a similar situation with WoB.

Why Addon Kits?
Mostly, I'm not sure there's really a way for me to offer full base kits that are competitive, in terms of price, lead time, and convenience, with what Drop offers. This way, people can pick up WoB from Drop when it's available and have a set they can use in a reasonable amount of time. Then, they'll be able to pass it down to their grandkids to use in time for these addon kits to ship.
Also, while I was preparing this, an IC was released and GB was run for WoB Red Cyrillic. I felt people who wanted will get in on that group buy, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to move away from what I was doing.

Kits:
Below are the kits I'm interested in getting made.
Colors follow the standard WoB scheme, WS1 on CR, with sublegends UV printed in P3 (because that's my favorite look).

Katakana:

APL:

Vendors:
None yet.

Pricing:
None yet.

Notes and other thoughts:
There is one more kit that I'm looking to run, but I omitted it from the initial IC because an IC already released for something similar. As a result, I'm waiting until things are finalized on their end. Once that happens I'll either add the kit to the IC and get that in motion, or drop it completely.

I'm choosing to go with UV printed subs over trying to get doubleshot molds made for a couple reasons:
1. I just much prefer the look, which is the most important thing.
2. It will be much easier to bring the legends within GMK spec for UV printing than for getting molds produced.
3. Pricing. The cost of an alpha kit that has UV printed subs will probably be much cheaper than a kit that has a bunch of new molds that need to be paid for.

The APL subs follow the layout used in CRP's kits, but I'm pretty sure there are a few people who have issues with this layout. I'm not one of them because I have not and will likely never write anything in APL so accuracy/usability is not something I prioritized. People who do see this as an issue, please fill out the open suggestion box in the IC form and let me know. I might see what I can do.
Most of the subs used were traced by a friend, with a few done by myself since Hammerworks wanted me to pay like $8k plus an additional 7% of sale price for every kit made over 500 in order to license their files for use with GMK.
The only thing I'm really concerned about is price. I've only ever done one other keyset related project and it also had alphas with UV printed sublegends. The pricing quoted on that kit was garbage, and I'm hoping the difference of stock colors here vs. custom colors will mean GMK won't scalp us on price.
I don't really want to run this anytime soon, so I plan on having a pretty long IC phase. Be sure to leave feedback in the form and let me know things you think can be improved. Thanks.

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illusixn · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:53:39 »

reserved

The0rigina1 · « **Reply #2 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:54:57 »

I think you should consider adding a tab?
It allows people to use this with the leftovers from a wob kit on another keyboard.

Oggi · « **Reply #3 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:55:30 »

providing the people with what they need

sup3r170va · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:59:11 »

I’m in. Can u consider a hangul kit as well.

And BoW

Skok · « **Reply #5 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:59:28 »

APL subs in blue would slap

also

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Ella · « **Reply #6 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 11:03:10 »

This is incredibly based, hope you get quotes within this decade

MIGHTY CHICKEN · « **Reply #7 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 11:04:36 »

Quote from: illusixn on Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:51:22

I've mostly moved away from using/being interested in super colorful keysets, and end up using WoB or beige a lot of the time. I do, however, like to change things up a bit and I think sublegended alphas are a good way to do that. Once all the alpha kits I picked up during CRP R4 ship, I'll have all I need to have a solid rotation of beige alphas with sublegends. Now, I want to be in a similar situation with WoB.

This is what the hobby needs

Great set, felt like there's just been too many recent forced theme sets that look like another set

o3okevin · « **Reply #8 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 11:06:01 »

Love the concept! Adding a tab + arrows would go a long way to increasing compatibility for two boards in a WoB set + Alpha Addon

Hyperdimension · « **Reply #9 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 11:07:22 »

+1 for hangul

packman86 · « **Reply #10 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 11:19:17 »

APL Interest Checked.

ilikerustoo · « **Reply #11 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 12:02:18 »

Super interested in APL

sirieous · « **Reply #12 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 12:08:40 »

This is neat. Please gib

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Sicowa · « **Reply #13 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 13:21:17 »

really like this set, hope all goes well GLWIC

denibhoxha · « **Reply #14 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 13:38:50 »

can i get ughhhhhhhhhhhh hangul on this too?

mixistor · « **Reply #15 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 13:47:51 »

Please consider add an extra tab to the kits! And really looks good

Zurg Eon · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 14:02:53 »

Got to have all things WoB! An extra tab would be great

mmayhem17 · « **Reply #17 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 14:03:21 »

+1 extra tab gang

actress · « **Reply #18 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 14:22:33 »

Great idea!
+1 for APL, Hangul
Also someone mentioned this already but blue subs on black would be very cool.
Maybe do blue Cyrillic?
Personally not interested in katakana.

Qarmaa · « **Reply #19 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 14:36:36 »

Nice. Please consider removing dashed squares from punctuation signs on katakana.

yoot · « **Reply #20 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 15:04:25 »

Hey there, please consider making the APL set useable. As it is now, it is based on an old version of the APL keyboard layout.

as you can see here (this is an up to date APL keyboard), multiple sublegends on your set are incorrect.

yoot · « **Reply #21 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 15:31:50 »

Quote from: yoot on Thu, 25 November 2021, 15:04:25

Hey there, please consider making the APL set useable. As it is now, it is based on an old version of the APL keyboard layout.

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as you can see here (this is an up to date APL keyboard), multiple sublegends on your set are incorrect.

I have made a list of all the keys which need to be fixed:

\ key - should be right tack (⊢) and left tack (⊣) only
{ key - correct aside from the branch (→) being on this key; it shouldn’t be.
} key - should have right arrow (→) and zilde (⍬) only
P key - should have star (*) and star diaeresis (⍣) only
O key - should have circle (○) and circle diaeresis (⍥) only
I key - should have iota (⍳) and iota underbar (⍸) only
T key - should have tilde (~) and tilde diaeresis (⍨) only
E key - should also have epsilon underbar (⍷)
- key - has an extra minus in red? Not needed. Also should be times (×) instead of plus (+)
+ key - does not need the times (×) symbol.
‘ key - should have thorn (⍕) as well as equal underbar slash (≢) only
; key - should have hydrant (⍎) as well as equal underbar (≡) only
L key - should also have squad (⌷)
J key - should also have jot diaeresis (⍤)
/ key - should have slash bar (⌿) and quad colon (⍠) only
. key - should have backslash bar (⍀) and delta underbar (⍙) only
, key - should have lamp (⍝) and comma bar (⍪) only
M key - remove the front print legend
` key - remove the front print legend

GaNeBaL · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 16:12:06 »

+1 for tab, arrows & crp's apl, kata is w.e but im sure there are plenty of people who would enjoy it. (also maybe add a normal f13 since the drop sets don't have them included)

good **** and glwic

LaserCrafter · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 17:32:53 »

can you do front print apl

wahfuhls · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 18:21:01 »

+1 for hangul and blue variants

santela · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 18:47:46 »

Was hoping for mod add-ons. WoB doesn't have all the mods and extra B I need, sad.

patzorz · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 18:56:33 »

Im in for APL for sure

Photekq · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 19:01:57 »

Great idea with the APL. In for a set no matter what happens.

If it's any help, I have an original Cherry APL board. I'd be happy to take high resolution, "flat" photos of them if you and your friend wanted to go for a 1:1 repro. I'd only ask that you forward me the traced legends when you're done!

dallman5 · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:03:25 »

in for apl, this looks great

wtb og cherry apl btw........

Kinesiologist · « **Reply #29 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:11:59 »

yes please

IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES · « **Reply #30 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:32:16 »

Quote from: yoot on Thu, 25 November 2021, 15:31:50

Quote from: yoot on Thu, 25 November 2021, 15:04:25
Hey there, please consider making the APL set useable. As it is now, it is based on an old version of the APL keyboard layout.

Show Image

as you can see here (this is an up to date APL keyboard), multiple sublegends on your set are incorrect.

I have made a list of all the keys which need to be fixed:

\ key - should be right tack (⊢) and left tack (⊣) only
{ key - correct aside from the branch (→) being on this key; it shouldn’t be.
} key - should have right arrow (→) and zilde (⍬) only
P key - should have star (*) and star diaeresis (⍣) only
O key - should have circle (○) and circle diaeresis (⍥) only
I key - should have iota (⍳) and iota underbar (⍸) only
T key - should have tilde (~) and tilde diaeresis (⍨) only
E key - should also have epsilon underbar (⍷)
- key - has an extra minus in red? Not needed. Also should be times (×) instead of plus (+)
+ key - does not need the times (×) symbol.
‘ key - should have thorn (⍕) as well as equal underbar slash (≢) only
; key - should have hydrant (⍎) as well as equal underbar (≡) only
L key - should also have squad (⌷)
J key - should also have jot diaeresis (⍤)
/ key - should have slash bar (⌿) and quad colon (⍠) only
. key - should have backslash bar (⍀) and delta underbar (⍙) only
, key - should have lamp (⍝) and comma bar (⍪) only
M key - remove the front print legend
` key - remove the front print legend

Good stuff yoot. Hope this version goes through.

Oblotzky, do you have WoB Cadet plans? Could it fit in here if you didn’t?

yoot · « **Reply #31 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:34:28 »

Quote from: Photekq on Thu, 25 November 2021, 19:01:57

Great idea with the APL. In for a set no matter what happens.

If it's any help, I have an original Cherry APL board. I'd be happy to take high resolution, "flat" photos of them if you and your friend wanted to go for a 1:1 repro. I'd only ask that you forward me the traced legends when you're done!

FYI OG Cherry APL is outdated

Puddsy · « **Reply #32 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:53:22 »

Quote from: yoot on Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:34:28

Quote from: Photekq on Thu, 25 November 2021, 19:01:57
Great idea with the APL. In for a set no matter what happens.

If it's any help, I have an original Cherry APL board. I'd be happy to take high resolution, "flat" photos of them if you and your friend wanted to go for a 1:1 repro. I'd only ask that you forward me the traced legends when you're done!
FYI OG Cherry APL is outdated

you are correct but 95% of people are gonna be using this for looks and not for actual APL usecases so there is little incentive to actually put in the work

most subs are at least partially wrong, GMK hangul and japanese especially, the only one i know of that is 95%+ correct is JTK Japanese

though i will add that i have a lot of respect for you putting in the time to explain how to do this correctly

Photekq · « **Reply #33 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:54:56 »

Quote from: yoot on Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:34:28

FYI OG Cherry APL is outdated

I'm not surprised, it seems like a lot of Cherry's regional layouts/languages were incorrect or outdated in some way. What's actually outdated on them, out of curiosity?

Is it any more out of date than the Hammer layout? From what I can tell, the differences between the two are very minor, and in some cases Hammer took legends from entirely different keys to adapt from the DE ISO of the originals to ANSI. For example, the APL legends on \| are from the German >< key next to left shift.

I figured it might be a better source for tracing, since Hammer's legends are traced from these to begin with - taking them from the source should be ideal. Any modernisation would have to be done with the Hammer traces anyway. If it's not needed or wanted, no problem though! Just thought I'd make the offer.

nullinasou · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:55:49 »

+1 for cyrillic alphas (not sublegends)

DaaDaa · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 25 November 2021, 22:38:35 »

This is very much needed. so many boards can use this

vanyll · « **Reply #36 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 03:02:57 »

You can't have enough different WoB alphas! Great concept.
However, is there a reason why the sublegends have to be red? Would prefer them to be white, tbh.

Dyto69 · « **Reply #37 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 05:33:16 »

IM SOO IN YESS, I missed out on the other WoB with Sublegends but not this one.

stidal · « **Reply #38 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 05:35:29 »

so good. so good.

GMK83 · « **Reply #39 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 06:41:31 »

Yes, yes and yes

Qarmaa · « **Reply #40 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 08:02:57 »

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 25 November 2021, 21:53:22

you are correct but 95% of people are gonna be using this for looks and not for actual APL usecases so there is little incentive to actually put in the work

most subs are at least partially wrong, GMK hangul and japanese especially, the only one i know of that is 95%+ correct is JTK Japanese

though i will add that i have a lot of respect for you putting in the time to explain how to do this correctly

Even if people gonna use it only for looks, there is no reason to not do a proper subs.

Rerading of JTK hiragana vs GMK hiragana: with updated molds that made for Serika 2, GMK are most correct ones, and actually JTK lacks couple of things. Difference in font is just subjective thing but personally I prefer GMK one. Not even mention that JTK have a lot of issues in latin legends, mods legends and generally sucks.

TyPo.mk · « **Reply #41 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 09:08:49 »

I like this

hottrout · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 10:44:05 »

Nice.

DaaDaa · « **Reply #43 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 14:26:13 »

i was gonna saythat i hope for jtk over gmk for manufacturing .. but fact is that they all suck, gmk, jtk, ePBT non can be counted on 9in terms of delivery on time

scrubbiecris · « **Reply #44 on:** Fri, 26 November 2021, 22:54:13 »

coincidentally was recently looking into dyalog keyboards because of the apl keycaps, definitely interested in this. glwic!

shima · « **Reply #45 on:** Sat, 27 November 2021, 01:17:35 »

honestly really love this & will probably buy in. am wondering if there would be a possibility of hiragana to be added though :>

pleasega · « **Reply #46 on:** Sun, 28 November 2021, 08:32:27 »

hangul pls, can make it in blue as well, whichever id still buy

edit: or white doubleshot too even better

asswipe09 · « **Reply #47 on:** Mon, 29 November 2021, 17:31:09 »

PLZ hangul

Edit: Different color variations too please sir

mattyisforlovers · « **Reply #48 on:** Mon, 29 November 2021, 21:20:18 »

I'm in for these! Please do consider the tab, but I'd love to see a set or some form of kit for all the non-alpha keys... maybe someone wants wob kit for a numpad or something.

The more wacky sublegends the better but release them over a set schedule... I might have to eat food. If too many drop at once I can't eat.
So very hungry lately...

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DeMechanica · « **Reply #49 on:** Mon, 29 November 2021, 23:20:19 »

I know someone who would adore Hangul!

Also, could you run a 40s/Ortho kit with this?

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