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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 18 October 2013, 20:10:20 »
Oh I forgot I had made this.  Found a bad potato of our quick color test before I left the shop.  Going to be remade on Monday when I bring some modified bolts to suspend the cover from, as we had trouble with that (you might see a thick wire through the mini USB port hole that the cover hung from--not ideal  :))

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #101 on: Sat, 19 October 2013, 11:38:30 »
I got all excited seeing that the PCB supports standard ANSI layout ...and then remembered that the plate doesn't.  Oh well.

Red LEDs out!

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Switches de-greased, and de-stickered!

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I hope my incoming LEDs will be less bright.  Keeping 1.2kOhm resistors might be good in the end, instead of swapping to ~800 Ohm LEDs for 3-3.2V LEDs, as the current red LEDs were a tad too bright for my comfort.  I normally keep backlight at the lowest or second-to-lowest setting on backlit keyboards.
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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #102 on: Sat, 19 October 2013, 12:28:46 »
What color are you going for? Teal?

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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 19 October 2013, 12:33:25 »
Yep!  I don't like the glossy red at all.

P.S.: These are the cyan LEDs I'm waiting for:



(will be combined with Warm White, which looks approximately like this in color:

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:40:51 »
So excited, the cover has been anodized, and the color is a deep rich satin teal - I love it!   :thumb:  On the way back now, and will add photos soon.  As a bonus, I got charged close to nothing for it by the extremely nice anodizing people. This project could not have  worked out any better!
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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:46:35 »
So excited, the cover has been anodized, and the color is a deep rich satin teal - I love it!   :thumb:  On the way back now, and will add photos soon.  As a bonus, I got charged close to nothing for it by the extremely nice anodizing people. This project could not have  worked out any better!

Great success! Can't wait to see.  :eek:
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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 11:54:38 »
So during my road trip Photoelectric, I think that three people (jdcarpe, tjcaustin, and mashby) asked us if we saw this project. Since neither Dorkvader or I were really reading GeekHack, I only saw this like last night. It looks incredible and I'm looking forward to seeing your anodization results :D.

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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 13:20:42 »
Please allow me to introduce this color.  I have a history of going to the Black Sea as a child, and it impressed a lot of fond memories on me--the dirty yellowish deep blue-green water.  That color, has remained one of my favorites, and it is approximately the color of this LZ-GH--as it is in my memory.  I was there for the entire dying process after the anodizing was completed, so we gradually got to the color and intensity.  The lighting in the shop was horrendous, so I had to use a bunch of color reference pieces I had brought with me--and still, it's a nightmare to photograph and categorize, as it looks different in every room.

So here are some daylight photographs outside (plus one of the cover underside by a window)















Indoors, it is more gray, or more blue, or more green--strongly dependent on lighting.  Can even look dirty dark blue.  It's pretty interesting and mimics dark sea water pretty well.

I call this keyboard a great success!  It is now ready to be used, just waiting for new switch stickers (and LEDs, but those are traveling by snail-mail), and some proper sized modifiers >.>

P.S.: here's a shot in poor indoor lighting--this is how dark it can get (and can look more blue-gray)

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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 13:27:08 »
beutifull!!

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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 13:38:23 »
wow beautiful restoration job photoelectric! really impressive work here! =)
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 13:43:27 »
So much good going on in this thread.  Love the new color. 
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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:13:58 »
amazing job Photo,
when I first saw the damaged board I really wouldn't have expected such a great result
When mine got damaged I though the only way to fix it was to fill the dent and powder coat it but  in the end anodizing still looks sharper
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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:16:22 »
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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:22:36 »
Thanks, guys.  Feeling terribly impatient about being able to use it, but it might take up to couple weeks until I have everything to reassemble the switches.  it's just sitting here next to me, taunting me :)  Probably putting in my Jailhouse Blues into it, after careful consideration.
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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:25:34 »
I rather like how the color seems to change depending on the lighting. Keeps the case looking very dynamic and different all the time, so it's interesting. That teal/green/blue color is amazing too ^__^.

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« Reply #115 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:29:30 »
Thanks, guys.  Feeling terribly impatient about being able to use it, but it might take up to couple weeks until I have everything to reassemble the switches.  it's just sitting here next to me, taunting me :)  Probably putting in my Jailhouse Blues into it, after careful consideration.

what parts do you need?

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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:30:29 »
Waiting for some matching stickers from Mr. MOZ :)  Also no 7x spacebar.
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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:32:20 »
Waiting for some matching stickers from Mr. MOZ :)  Also no 7x spacebar.

What color space bar? I might have an extra 7x lying around....if you wanted it!

If you just can't wait I've also got some silver stickers I believe... ;D
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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:34:03 »
Waiting for some matching stickers from Mr. MOZ :)  Also no 7x spacebar.

I remember soulfree was selling a set similar in color to the one you chose :).

Blue-green is also my favorite color although I prefer slightly brighter haha xD.
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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:35:55 »
Ray: Anything really.  You have some from the "crap" bags?  I'd love to buy or rent one for a while.  Ordering tsangan sets from now on, but nothing until a couple of group buys go through.  Will send a PM!
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Meiosis: That blue-green set is thin double-shot ABS by SP.  I don't like those, unfortunately.  Color-wise, you can see my Filco is already a turquoise color, so I went for something different :)
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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 21 October 2013, 23:35:16 »
Hey, who would have thought :D  Put some liquid car wax I already had from polishing some computer cases in the past (Meguiar's Carnauba Plus), let it dry, buffed with a terry towel... brought out some shine and added some color vibrancy :)  I can tell because the color is relatively dark in my bedroom, and it's a lot shinier and glowing now.  Also no longer a fingerprint magnet now :D
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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:36:18 »
Wow, congrats, you brought the life back into the keyboard.

Good job :D!

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:04:42 »
Holy crap....
all your efforts is amazing man, I've never seen someone has put so much love and effort into one thing for a long time
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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:34:50 »
Thanks for sharing your adventure Photo, turned out amazing

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« Reply #124 on: Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:41:34 »
Thanks, I got impatient and assembled the switches (currently stock vintage MX Blacks) to use for now.  Just got warm white LEDs in the mail today, still waiting for cyan.  As soon as those and new switch stickers arrive, I'll finish the transformation :)
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« Reply #125 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 13:38:14 »
I finally got some "tsangan" blanks from Signature Plastics, so I can actually use the keyboard while I wait for some group buys to complete.  And because I love this keyboard so much, I decided to do another "photoshoot" today, trying to get the textures right.  So after a couple of chemical resurfacing sessions to reanodize (when the old anodizing layer was removed), the latest surface is a lot smoother and more matte, and actually looks more "brushed" now rather than grainy like it was before.







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« Reply #126 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 14:20:33 »
That's absolutely amazing, I can't believe how well that turned out. Incredible work.

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« Reply #127 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:16:07 »
Extremely jealous. Each picture makes it look better and better..

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« Reply #128 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:20:41 »
That looks fantastic.  I seem to remember a case you painted a similar color.

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« Reply #129 on: Sat, 26 October 2013, 15:33:50 »
Yeah I did!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44191.msg963401#msg963401

But that Filco ended up going to someone else, and it was re-painted to metallic black just before that.  My current remaining Filco is of a pearl turquoise color.  This LZ-GH was going to be a lighter teal, but the shop didn't have any fancy colors to choose from, so the result is from what we had to work with :)
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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 27 October 2013, 09:47:20 »
Nice work! How much did it cost to get it fixed and how much did you buy it for? Did you save money on it, rather then buying a new one? Also I love the color! :)

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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:25:11 »
Color Update #2: Final

Last time when the cover was anodized, I chatted with the shop people at length, and the goal was to have a lighter teal color.  Unfortunately, we were limited to some standard shades of dye, and the lighting in the shop didn't help, so the end result was much darker than anticipated--great outdoors, but very dark on my desk.  So I talked it over with the shop, and they were receptive to me bringing my own dyes.  I have done a lot of reading and research about anodizing dyes and techniques and ended up bringing the cover back to the shop this morning, along with a bottle of turquoise dye and a large bin.

It was so worth it!  The research and effort has paid off for me, and the end result is a gorgeous electric turquoise--it's practically glowing!  Photos of the final color that I will never touch again, as it's perfect!  It's more blue or more green depending on angle and lighting:




You can see how the side dents look here (they are along the bottom)--not very visible:




Also new blue anodized bolts

(that steel plate's a fingerprint magnet  :eek: )

Anyway, VERY happy right now.  Cyan LEDs have arrived too, and I'd definitely categorize them as more turquoise--a lot of green in them.  Going to add LEDs when switch stickers arrive.  Unsure on the arrangement yet: either cyan for modifiers and warm white for alphas, or vice versa. 
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« Reply #132 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:27:39 »
Can you share some of your dye research with us? Where did you get it? What dyes can we use? Did you have a color swatch or how did you determine the colors?

And I'm really stoked to see that board with some cyan LEDs :D. Great job Photoelectric!! That color is amazing!

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« Reply #133 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:37:19 »
Can you share some of your dye research with us? Where did you get it? What dyes can we use? Did you have a color swatch or how did you determine the colors?

And I'm really stoked to see that board with some cyan LEDs :D. Great job Photoelectric!! That color is amazing!

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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:38:59 »
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« Reply #135 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:40:22 »
I just did a lot of google searching for "teal anodize" and "turquoise anodize" and "teal aluminum" and the like for photographs.  Then any forum post results that came up.  There are a few brands of dyes you can get.  One guy sells USSpecialty dyes on eBay here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251188199995&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

I've chatted with him too.  I got my dye from Caswell Plating, as I stumbled upon posts there, and they sell "teal" and "turquoise" shades ($15 for small bottles, ~$3 delivery)
http://www.caswellplating.com/electroplating-anodizing/anodizing-products/anodizing-dyes.html

I was torn between teal and turquoise, but ended up going with turquoise, as it was also what MistakeMistake had used and verified to have a fair amount of green in it.  I was afraid that teal would turn out too green in indoor lighting.  There are other brands to consider as well, but these two are easily available in small quantities.

So the bottles say they are for 2 gallons of solution.  However, you can dilute them in a much greater volume of distilled water--we did something like 8 gallons.  As long as pH is correct, lower concentration of dye just means you will be dipping your part for a longer period of time to get the intensity you want.  My cover was dipped for around 10 minutes (I dipped it myself).  It's important to either have some artificial water agitation with some pump/bubbles or hold your part on a rack and slosh it around under water gently, for more even coverage.

Some dyes can be very "moody"--I'd research them individually.  They can be picky about pH level or not very picky.  Some dyes do better in heated water, and some are okay at room temperature.  One important lesson I've learned is that it's important to take out your part periodically and inspect for color intensity, as it's easy to go too dark.  When your part is in the solution, it's all slick with water, and the color looks a lot more vibrant and lighter.  When it's sealed and dried, it will be matte, and the way it will reflect light will change how the color appears.  It's best to go lighter than too dark, unless dark is what you're looking for.

NEVER touch anything anodized before dying--it WILL leave uneven splotches on the finish where the dye won't penetrate well.  Even if you wear gloves.  We did that accidentally during initial anodizing tests, and you could see exactly where the cover was barely touched--in rubber gloves.  Also if you give your cover to an anodizing shop, make sure they have a proper rack to put it on for the anodizing and dying process, because where the rack touches the cover, there will be some small silver marks.  If you use a proper rack and place it strategically underneath the cover, the end result will be tiny barely visible pin-like silver dots in a few spots where you won't ever see them.  But initially my shop wanted to use a thick wire through the USB port hole, which I said would definitely be less than ideal.  They switched to more common anodizing racks after that, gripping the part underneath at tension, so there are only a few of those tiny silver dots remaining.

And finally about color accuracy again: it's true what people say about anodizing dyes: it's difficult to get the exact color you want and then repeat it.  It's a bit of a creative process to anodize evenly and to the shade you want, especially if you dip into different colors to blend some shade.  Furthermore, the thickness of the anodizing coat and material itself can have an effect on how the dye will manifest.  The same turquoise dye could have been more blue and darker than how my cover came out.  Finish is also a major factor: whether it's smooth, sand-blasted, or bead-blasted.  Also, when removing anodizing by chemically stripping the existing finish, you're going to smooth out the original finish a bit each time and result in an increasingly smoother finish.  It's not a good idea to reanodize many times without refinishing too.  In my case we were fine, and the finish still looks great.
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« Reply #136 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:45:00 »
Thank you for the info :D.

My favorite part of that story? You dipped the keyboard yourself! Gotta love hands on projects ^__^

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« Reply #137 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:51:51 »
Yeah, I basically did all the dying, minus dipping the cover into sealant and actual anodizing :)  It was a lot of fun, and I wished I had a few more parts with me and more colors to play with :)
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« Reply #138 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:54:45 »
Sounds like you built a great relationship with this shop so hopefully you can do more work in the future....then take pictures/drop more knowledge bombs :D

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« Reply #139 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 15:58:13 »
They are great people!  Truly.  I will definitely go there again if I need to anodize some other part and will make sure to bring some custom color dye too.
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« Reply #140 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 16:00:07 »
Yeah, they seem extremely helpful. I wish I could find an anodiser like that in the UK. Do they do finishing too?

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« Reply #141 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 16:00:53 »
I don't think they do any refinishing--only anodizing (hard and soft), electroplating, and some other exotic stuff like passivating.
By the way, Caswell Plating has a branch in the UK and Canada too--maybe other countries, if you want to buy small batches of dye to take along to an anodizing shop (if that shop doesn't already provide the colors you want).
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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #142 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:50:44 »
LED color is very difficult to photograph :(

But here are, in order from left to right, Green, "Cyan", Blue, Magenta, White, Warm White:

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #143 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:39:44 »
Color Update #2: Final

Last time when the cover was anodized, I chatted with the shop people at length, and the goal was to have a lighter teal color.  Unfortunately, we were limited to some standard shades of dye, and the lighting in the shop didn't help, so the end result was much darker than anticipated--great outdoors, but very dark on my desk.  So I talked it over with the shop, and they were receptive to me bringing my own dyes.  I have done a lot of reading and research about anodizing dyes and techniques and ended up bringing the cover back to the shop this morning, along with a bottle of turquoise dye and a large bin.

It was so worth it!  The research and effort has paid off for me, and the end result is a gorgeous electric turquoise--it's practically glowing!  Photos of the final color that I will never touch again, as it's perfect!  It's more blue or more green depending on angle and lighting:

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You can see how the side dents look here (they are along the bottom)--not very visible:
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Also new blue anodized bolts
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(that steel plate's a fingerprint magnet  :eek: )

Anyway, VERY happy right now.  Cyan LEDs have arrived too, and I'd definitely categorize them as more turquoise--a lot of green in them.  Going to add LEDs when switch stickers arrive.  Unsure on the arrangement yet: either cyan for modifiers and warm white for alphas, or vice versa.

Love it, looks great!

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #144 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:40:44 »
Love it, looks great!

Thanks <3  You have helped a lot!
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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #145 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:42:50 »
C-C-Cyan?? That looks incredible! I know what color LEDs I'm buying next!

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #146 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:47:05 »
I've put it next to green for comparison.  But if you didn't have that green next to it, it looks very green on its own.  It's sold as "cyan" but is not cyan, which is why I put quotes around that word.  It's a turquoise-green kind of color if you don't have anything to put it in perspective, like green LEDs nearby.  Still I like them a lot and will definitely use them.
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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #147 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:49:45 »
The dents aren't even visible, right? Why not call it what it is and be done with it instead of spending just as much as buying a new one to get it back up to brand new specs?

I typed a long reply and then realized that it's not necessary.  The short answer is, I'm doing this for myself, and I want a certain color.  It's not about the dents that are really not that visible--I'm just trying to get them filled because I'm a perfectionist.  If it will cost an arm and a leg--I won't.  Normally I paint stuff myself, but I can't anodize in my kitchen (yet).  This project is not about monetary value or "spec".  Instead it is about a sentimental value of fixing something I appreciate and customize exactly to my liking.  And finally, no, it still won't cost me as much as a brand new unassembled LZ-GH kit.  I'd rather not bring up the clack parallel of how much something is worth to someone and what is justified, and what isn't.  But there, I did it anyway.

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I like this spirit here. And I don't even really think about it as perfectionism. I kinda think of it as artistry: an artist just knows when the painting/sculpting/tweeking is done. It's a real pleasure to read this thread... not only because of what you saved from the rubbish heap but also for all of the experience that chimed in too. Great example of why I like GH. Amazing job!! Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #148 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:02:15 »
C-C-Cyan?? That looks incredible! I know what color LEDs I'm buying next!

That reminds me of Ch-Ch-Chow mein..

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Re: Keyboard Repair project: LZ-GH
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:08:21 »
Nice work photo, that final update looks fantastic, I really like that blue

that LED picture looks somehow really calming...something about it makes it an awesome photo