[IC] Universal 104/108 Plate

[jdcarpe]

Universal 104/108 Plate

Introduction
This thread is to gauge interest in ANSI 125 metal Universal plates for full size (104/108) keyboards. These plates allow for easy modding after installation.

The Plate
These are designed so the top switch housing is removable without desoldering, which helps with swapping switches, springs, stems, lubing, or stickering later on. They can be directly dropped in to existing keyboards, after removing all the switches from the PCB and existing plate. For the Ducky Shine 2 (108-key), this plate should be a direct replacement. For Filco, Rosewill, other 104-key keyboards you will have to cut the plate in a few places, with a dremel cutting wheel or metal saw.
 



 Keyboard Compatibility:

• Filco Majestouch-2 104
• Ducky Shine 2
• Rosewill RK-9000 series
• CM Storm QuickFire XT
• possibly others (Ducky Shine 3, Rosewill RK9100, Keycool 108, etc.)

 
 Stabilizer Options:

• Costar stabilizer
• PCB-mounted cherry stabilizer (NerD 108?)
• Plate-mounted cherry stabilizer

Please comment in this thread to express your interest.

[SpAmRaY]

I would be interested in 2 or 3.

What are the chances it would work with the Ducky Shine 2 and CM XT?

[jdcarpe]

I would be interested in 2 or 3.

What are the chances it would work with the Ducky Shine 2 and CM XT?

It will work with Ducky Shine 2, I can tell you that. Chances are good it would work with CM QF XT, but I can't know for sure unless I had a look at the existing plate/PCB.

[LechnerDE]

Hmm, I actually don't use my fullsize boards anymore, but I might buy a plate just because

Will the price be in the ~40$ area like the TKL plates?

[jdcarpe]

Hmm, I actually don't use my fullsize boards anymore, but I might buy a plate just because

Will the price be in the ~40$ area like the TKL plates?

Yes, that's what I'm hoping. If we get enough orders, I'm sure we can make that happen.

[infiniti]

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Definitely in for 1 but depending on pricing, I may get 2.

[jdcarpe]

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Definitely in for 1 but depending on pricing, I may get 2.

I thought you might be interested in this.

[infiniti]

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Definitely in for 1 but depending on pricing, I may get 2.

I thought you might be interested in this.

OH I AM! AND YOU KNOW IT!

It's time to start promoting this IC.

[MOZ]

This looks excellent, who designed the plate? I am interested in the plate mounting hole positions and plate dimensions, since I have got many requests for acrylic case for full hand cases. I hope you wouldn't mind sharing.

[CPTBadAss]

Interested.

[xavierblak]

I'd be interested in at least one. Anyone have any guesses if a wasd v1, leopold or a das keyboard would be compatible.

[jdcarpe]

I'd be interested in at least one. Anyone have any guesses if a wasd v1, leopold or a das keyboard would be compatible.

I could probably tell you if you could open them and show me the plates.

[nuclearsandwich]

Interested. I have a Ducky DK9008G2 and my brother has a Shine III. I'd probably get two assuming you think these would be compatible JD. Is a top-down photo of the plate without the top case sufficient for you to tell?

[jdcarpe]

Interested. I have a Ducky DK9008G2 and my brother has a Shine III. I'd probably get two assuming you think these would be compatible JD. Is a top-down photo of the plate without the top case sufficient for you to tell?

Yes, that should do. Just make sure the keycaps are off, of course. If there are any screws which hold the plate to the case, please remove those as well.

[nuclearsandwich]

Interested. I have a Ducky DK9008G2 and my brother has a Shine III. I'd probably get two assuming you think these would be compatible JD. Is a top-down photo of the plate without the top case sufficient for you to tell?

Yes, that should do. Just make sure the keycaps are off, of course. If there are any screws which hold the plate to the case, please remove those as well.

Cool. I'm about to be vacationing away from all my keyboards but I'll be able to get you that photograph late next week.

[Photoelectric]

Interested in one pending on price.  Can't do more than $30ish, if that's even realistic.

[justnits]

would love this for my shine 2!!!! DO IT!!!

[CommonCurt]

Oh man.

I will be in for at least one 104 for Filco.

Although I won't be able to cut it

I don't have any of the tools you mentioned.

[berserkfan]

why not have the plate pre-cut instead? It should not be a problem to use it on the Ducky with the 3 compatibility cuts, right? While being pre cut it would save Filco, Rosewill, CM etc owners the trouble of cutting.

I think most people don't have metal cutting tools.

[CommonCurt]

why not have the plate pre-cut instead? It should not be a problem to use it on the Ducky with the 3 compatibility cuts, right? While being pre cut it would save Filco, Rosewill, CM etc owners the trouble of cutting.

I think most people don't have metal cutting tools.

That would be ideal.  I don't have the tools, but I will find a way to get it cut if I need to.

[jdcarpe]

Would that work for the 108-key models? A small little separate 4-key plate to go along with the 104-key main plate? I can do that if it would work, but I don't have a 108 to test it on. I think about half the orders will be from people who want this for a Ducky, it seems. But to make it usable without cutting for the 104-key folks, I could design it as two pieces. What do you guys think, would that be an acceptable compromise solution?

I think we can get these for around $30 plus shipping, if we can get close to 40 orders.

[SpAmRaY]

What if it was made like this?



Could the top right area just be bent back and forth until it breaks? Or am I underestimating the strength of the material??

OR since that right bottom of the top area has that triangular notch already could a pair of side cuts be used to 'clip' it and then bend the rest to break the remaining tab on the bottom left of the top?

[whiskytango]

I'm down for 2

[justnits]

i can't imagine how a pre-cut is going to look like 

[CommonCurt]

JD,

Have you decided if they will be aluminum or stainless yet?

[berserkfan]

Would that work for the 108-key models? A small little separate 4-key plate to go along with the 104-key main plate? I can do that if it would work, but I don't have a 108 to test it on. I think about half the orders will be from people who want this for a Ducky, it seems. But to make it usable without cutting for the 104-key folks, I could design it as two pieces. What do you guys think, would that be an acceptable compromise solution?

I think we can get these for around $30 plus shipping, if we can get close to 40 orders.

JD I think your idea is great, but as of now we haven't confirmed if it works only for Ducky.

Would be good to have the plate genuinely universal. EG compatible with 95% or more of 104/108 keyboards out there. I wish more Keycool or other model owners would come forward with their plates so we can examine for compatibility.

I guess it is too much to ask if one can make it compatible with a Deck Legend 105... 
But if you want, I'm happy to take photos of the plate with whatever measurements you need.

[MOZ]

Possible to scan it?

[CommonCurt]

Will this be done through Strict also, or someone else?

[jdcarpe]

Will this be done through Strict also, or someone else?

I'm not sure yet. I guess it depends on if I need to find someone to take the lead, if someone volunteers, or if no one wants to run it.

BTW, I'm open to volunteers.

[LechnerDE]

JD, your new avatar confuses me - I didn't even realize you replied to the question until I took a closer look.

I guess I got so accustomed to the little Spock that I refuse to accept change

[strict]

Will this be done through Strict also, or someone else?

I'm not sure yet. I guess it depends on if I need to find someone to take the lead, if someone volunteers, or if no one wants to run it.

BTW, I'm open to volunteers.

I still need to solidify my plans for the format of my next GB but, tentatively I will say I'm not opposed to the idea of offering/making these plates if there's enough demand. Shipping details would definitely need figured out before I made any commitments. TKL plates and smaller fit nicely inside a USPS flat rate legal envelope but there's no way a full size plate would fit any of their flat rate envelopes. It would likely have to go out in a much bigger box making shipping a little more difficult (cost & time).

On the upside, I already have a dremel with all kinds of metal tools so if I did offer these plates I would have no issue cutting the small corner section off for users whose keyboards don't need it.

Just to reemphasize, this is all dependent on the exact format I end up choosing for my next GB so dont count on anything for sure.

[whiskytango]

Will this be done through Strict also, or someone else?

I'm not sure yet. I guess it depends on if I need to find someone to take the lead, if someone volunteers, or if no one wants to run it.

BTW, I'm open to volunteers.

If you want I can get quotes from around here. I would not be opposed to running the buy. I didn't follow through with the phantom/uTKL buy we talked about because right about then strict and techpriest started theirs up, but I can go to the same shop and get a quote if you want to send me the file.

edit: I could also dremel the ones that want pre-cut as strict suggested. That would be minimal effort I would think.

[jdcarpe]

I changed the design slightly, per Ray's suggestion.

whiskeytango, I'll send you the drawing file to your email. If you don't mind getting some quotes, that would be great.

JD,

Have you decided if they will be aluminum or stainless yet?

Probably stainless or mild steel. That would be my preference, anyway. Aluminum is great if you get it anodized, but the logistics of that get complicated.

[whiskytango]

Got it. I am going to ask about stainless then.

[saltdiscus]

ohh I jist started a thread for ducky.I didnt see this post.if this work on shine 3, I am very interested.

[Chonzer]

I would be very interested in this. I keep seeing group buys for TKL plates but never for full sized plates. I would buy this in an instant.

[whiskytango]

I got a favorable quote via email from one of the laser cutters here in town. I tried to go by the shop friday afternoon but the sales guy had already left for the day. I am going to try to get in touch with him tomorrow about getting a prototype done.

[CommonCurt]

I got a favorable quote via email from one of the laser cutters here in town. I tried to go by the shop friday afternoon but the sales guy had already left for the day. I am going to try to get in touch with him tomorrow about getting a prototype done.

Can't wait to see the prototype. I have been wanting one for my full size Majestouch2's, but never seen one for full sized boards.

[jdcarpe]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:




One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

[whiskytango]

[CPTBadAss]

I'm only buying if there's an epic quest that culminates in me throwing the one plate into a volcano....and then I return to a life of eating 6 meals a day. Are hobbits into ice cream?

[Photoelectric]

Well that should gather a lot of orders nicely

[SpAmRaY]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

So....what are the odds the right side numberpad would fit a 4x5 ghpad?

[strict]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

Excellent idea! Would there be any need to tweak the design to allow for different space bar offsets?

[whiskytango]

So....what are the odds the right side numberpad would fit a 4x5 ghpad?

this was my thought exactly. I think we should design a case around this plate. Will require drilling holes to mount the pcb.

[jdcarpe]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

Excellent idea! Would there be any need to tweak the design to allow for different space bar offsets?

I don't really think so, unless there was some demand from Phantom users for the offset 6.25-unit spacebar and Caps Lock. When you try to add 7-unit spacebar support for Phantom, you run into the problem of not being able to use plate mounted stabs, which are required by all the keyboards this plate is designed to drop into.

[strict]

I don't really think so, unless there was some demand from Phantom users for the offset 6.25-unit spacebar and Caps Lock. When you try to add 7-unit spacebar support for Phantom, you run into the problem of not being able to use plate mounted stabs, which are required by all the keyboards this plate is designed to drop into.

Good to know, I cant imagine there will be much demand from the phantom crowd for these plates (as long as we keep having all these other plate GB's  ).

[Pacifist]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

and also ghpad unextended?

[jdcarpe]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

and also ghpad unextended?

If you don't mind using plate mount stabs, yes.

[CommonCurt]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

I have never taken any of my full size MJ2's apart. 

Does the plate/pcb screw down in the same places as the TKL's, or is there also another screw mount somewhere around the num pad area?

[saltdiscus]

Definitely will buy if it fits my ducky shine 3

[infiniti]

What would you all think about something like this? I call it the One Plate:

Show Image

One Plate to rule them all, One Plate to count them,
One Plate to accept them all, and on the keyboard mount them


A little Dremel work, and this plate replaces the stock plates for most 108, 104, and 87-key keyboards.

ME LIKEY :cool:

[MOZ]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

[jdcarpe]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

[whiskytango]

Haha he was one step ahead of you moz. I can't believe you actually drew that up jd. That's awesome.

Btw guys, I have ordered a sample plate from the cutter.

[SpAmRaY]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

Show Image

but wouldn't the 60% need some holes somewhere for mounting??

[MOZ]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

Show Image

but wouldn't the 60% need some holes somewhere for mounting??

Give the man some time ray! God, so impatient :P

[SpAmRaY]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

but wouldn't the 60% need some holes somewhere for mounting??

Give the man some time ray! God, so impatient

Why are you still posting, since your leaving and all  )

[MOZ]

A flame burns its brightest right before it goes out

[demik]

A flame burns its brightest right before it goes out

Ray must be a sun because he was suppose to "leave" like a week ago.

[SpAmRaY]

A flame burns its brightest right before it goes out

Ray must be a sun because he was suppose to "leave" like a week ago.

i tried demik but your countenance just keeps drawing me back

[demik]

YOU USED THE CORRECT YOUR!!!

Also, I knew that whole I'm leaving deal was a bunch of BS. Can't fool me Ray.

[whiskytango]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

Show Image

but wouldn't the 60% need some holes somewhere for mounting??

Give the man some time ray! God, so impatient :P

Hey jd, if you do add these holes for 60%, think you could also add holes to the numpad area to allow mounting of the 4x5 ghpad?

[demik]

I say we make it 60% compatible as well. The true one plate

Oh, you mean this crazy thing?

Show Image

but wouldn't the 60% need some holes somewhere for mounting??

Give the man some time ray! God, so impatient :P

Hey jd, if you do add these holes for 60%, think you could also add holes to the numpad area to allow mounting of the 4x5 ghpad?

Just make one big hole to cover everything

[jdcarpe]

I fixed it...um, temporarily.

Where do we need holes in the numpad area? I need to look at a PCB I guess.



Edit: okay, I think that works.

[whiskytango]

Yes, exactly. and I just got through putting together this beautiful image to demonstrate:



LOL

[jdcarpe]

Yes, exactly. and I just got through putting together this beautiful image to demonstrate:

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LOL

Nice! At least I know I'm not losing my mind. ;D

[SpAmRaY]

depending on price now I'm leaning towards wanting ~5 of these

[dorkvader]

What if it was made like this?

(Attachment Link)

Could the top right area just be bent back and forth until it breaks? Or am I underestimating the strength of the material??

You probably could do something like that, but it would be pretty hard to do it "right" without bending the holes where switches are. Much better to cut or file.

I am interested, bytheway! I need something to put my sprit 110% in. Even if not, I'll just direct wire and go.

[zflamewing]

I'd be interested in one maybe 2.  I've got a Ducky Shine2 and a CM Storm XT that I'd like to mod at some point.

[saltdiscus]

i will defo buy if it work for shine 3.

[Blackehart]

Would this plate work on Shine 2's for custom tkl alu/full acrylic cases?
I'd be down for two if they do.

[jdcarpe]

Would this plate work on Shine 2's for custom tkl alu/full acrylic cases?
I'd be down for two if they do.

I don't guess there would be any way to know for sure without trying it, especially since this is really just a concept right now. But if the case claims that it works with metal plates, I don't see why this particular plate wouldn't work. It's designed for greatest compatibility across platforms.

[SpAmRaY]

Whats our next step?

[jdcarpe]

Whats our next step?

whiskeytango is having a prototype plate made. Not sure what the shop's lead time is.

[whiskytango]

The sales guy is rather short with his email replies, but I ordered the prototype on Monday. I don't know the lead time for it.

[SpAmRaY]

Awesome!

[berserkfan]

Damn Damn Damn!

I forgot about this thread somehow, and sent off my stuff to Margo for modding purposes. Now I won't be able to take scans and measurements for this project.

Hehheh, got it.

I'll ask Margo to do the work instead. Hopefully he'll get the PCBs a couple months from now.

[whiskytango]

Damn Damn Damn!

I forgot about this thread somehow, and sent off my stuff to Margo for modding purposes. Now I won't be able to take scans and measurements for this project.

Hehheh, got it.

I'll ask Margo to do the work instead. Hopefully he'll get the PCBs a couple months from now.

What pcb were you going to scan? When I get the prototype I can test fit it for rosewill and ducky g2pro.

[CommonCurt]

They don't depict the metric **** ton of standoffs they will need to keep them at a fixed distance though.

Neat idea though. Do they have to manually cut off the bottom-most part of the switch?

Damn Damn Damn!

I forgot about this thread somehow, and sent off my stuff to Margo for modding purposes. Now I won't be able to take scans and measurements for this project.

Hehheh, got it.

I'll ask Margo to do the work instead. Hopefully he'll get the PCBs a couple months from now.

What pcb were you going to scan? When I get the prototype I can test fit it for rosewill and ducky g2pro.

Which design are you getting a prototype of?

The first one JD posted a picture of?

[phoenix1234]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

[jdcarpe]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

Possibly? I have a G80-3000 I can test it with.

[SpAmRaY]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

Possibly? I have a G80-3000 I can test it with.

I would so go for a G80-3000 plate.....

[whiskytango]

The sample plate is the One Plate design. So tkl compatible but not 60%. If the design seems sturdy enough, I see no reason why the 60% compatible version wouldn't also work.

If we think it's necessary to do another sample for the final design we can.

[berserkfan]

What pcb were you going to scan? When I get the prototype I can test fit it for rosewill and ducky g2pro.

I sent Margo my Rosewill illuminated and my Deck Legend.

[phoenix1234]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

Possibly? I have a G80-3000 I can test it with.

Thanks, please test it 

[berserkfan]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

Possibly? I have a G80-3000 I can test it with.

how about testing it with other G80s as well eg G80-8113? If the plate winds up with all the modular easy-to-file-off parts, does that mean that we can actually file it apart and put metal plate sections under the different parts of a G80-8113 or G80-8200 PCB? (Hint, I have both).

[CommonCurt]

The sales guy is rather short with his email replies, but I ordered the prototype on Monday. I don't know the lead time for it.

Any word on the prototype?

[whiskytango]

Does this plate also support G80 family too? 
If it does, I'm very interested in a few of them.

Possibly? I have a G80-3000 I can test it with.

how about testing it with other G80s as well eg G80-8113? If the plate winds up with all the modular easy-to-file-off parts, does that mean that we can actually file it apart and put metal plate sections under the different parts of a G80-8113 or G80-8200 PCB? (Hint, I have both).

I have a 8113 and I was thinking this exact thing. Although it might take parts from more than one plate to fill in a whole 8113 with that extra function row and all. Also, my 8113 has an ISO enter which won't work with this plate, but I was thinking that I could use one of my ISO gh60 plates for that portion of the keyboard and use the extra pieces from this plate to fill in the rest.

The sales guy is rather short with his email replies, but I ordered the prototype on Monday. I don't know the lead time for it.

Any word on the prototype?

Funny you should ask. I just picked it up about 30 minutes ago on my way in to work. I have not had any time to really check it out yet, but at first glance it looks good. The finish looks great, but I am anxious to test fit some switches in it and test fit it on some boards. I can test it on a disassembled Rosewill 9000 and disassembled Ducky G2 pro. After that the plan is to send it to jd for further testing.

[pasph]

Any plan for an ISO version?

[berserkfan]

Any plan for an ISO version?

I think we should take a poll. As long as ISO version can come near to MOQ on geekhack, it should be safe to make it.

Lots of these group buys expose the GB organizer to heavy financial risk. To make things easier for JD, let me make this offer.

I promise to buy up to two ISO plates if it helps to meet MOQ or reach a cheaper price tier. I'm already planning to buy two ANSI plates.

I don't actually want the ISO plates. But I'll get someone who owes me money to pay JD anyway. (Can't make a gift from a Singapore paypal account).

After the group buy is done, usually people who missed the group buy start looking for the group buy organizer. JD can sell them the plates and return me my money then. By doing this, the GB organizer won't have to sweat it if the plates don't sell right away, while keeping some in stock is very helpful for latecomers.

I'm willing to pay for 6 plates (4 ANSI, 2 ISO) and just take 2 or fewer plates. I want to fund a small inventory to help out those who missed the group buy make their purchase at group buy price. It always irritates me to see people flipping stuff for profit just because they can get away with it. And it irritates me even more to hear them talk about the free market. Well, free market also allows market participants to keep inventory and sell at cost if they wish to, so there!

Those who know me, know that I've always been willing to give up my place in group buys if there isn't enough stuff to go around. If latecomers want all 6 plates, I'm 100% ok with getting zero. I'm not a charitable foundation, so after all plates get sold I still want my money back at cost, of course.

It is my intention that after I get back my money, I'll put that back into helping another group buy. Hopefully I can kick start a geekhack custom of keeping excess inventory from group buys so that those who missed the GB don't have to beg and overpay for stuff.

[whiskytango]

Pics of first prototype: http://imgur.com/a/slGfy

You can see that there is already an issue with a standoff hole being in the wrong place for a ducky G2 pro, but other than that I am very impressed with this shop's quality. I will try to test fit it with a Rosewill 9000 tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

[Photoelectric]

That plate looks quite nice!  I like the brushed finish too.  Seems so thin for its length and size--going to need some good packaging for shipping

[CommonCurt]

Pics of first prototype: http://imgur.com/a/slGfy

You can see that there is already an issue with a standoff hole being in the wrong place for a ducky G2 pro, but other than that I am very impressed with this shop's quality. I will try to test fit it with a Rosewill 9000 tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

From the pictures the finish looks nice.   

[infiniti]

Pics of first prototype: http://imgur.com/a/slGfy

You can see that there is already an issue with a standoff hole being in the wrong place for a ducky G2 pro, but other than that I am very impressed with this shop's quality. I will try to test fit it with a Rosewill 9000 tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

**SNIP*** RIP old image hosting

[CommonCurt]

Pics of first prototype: http://imgur.com/a/slGfy

You can see that there is already an issue with a standoff hole being in the wrong place for a ducky G2 pro, but other than that I am very impressed with this shop's quality. I will try to test fit it with a Rosewill 9000 tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

[EDIT] That sucks for people wanting to use it in G2 Pro. 

If it does fit the Rosewill RK9000 it should fit a Majestouch2 since they're both made by Costar correct?

[whiskytango]

Pics of first prototype: http://imgur.com/a/slGfy

You can see that there is already an issue with a standoff hole being in the wrong place for a ducky G2 pro, but other than that I am very impressed with this shop's quality. I will try to test fit it with a Rosewill 9000 tomorrow. Gotta go to bed now.

That sucks for people wanting to use it in G2 Pro.

Whoa whoa whoa, don't scare people off! We can fix that before we do the order. That is the whole point of making a sample and testing it. ;-)

As for the rosewill question, I'm not sure. I think so, but I don't know for certain. Jd can probably tell us though.

[bianco]

will probably get a couple of pieces of this.
then hope it can fit the wasd code.

[jdcarpe]

will probably get a couple of pieces of this.
then hope it can fit the wasd code.

I now have a CODE I can test the plate with. That was the purpose of the test plate, to try and fit it to as many real world keyboards as possible before we make a final design and move to production. Any fitment issues can be addressed now, during the design and testing phase.

[jdcarpe]

Lots of these group buys expose the GB organizer to heavy financial risk. To make things easier for JD, let me make this offer.

I promise to buy up to two ISO plates if it helps to meet MOQ or reach a cheaper price tier. I'm already planning to buy two ANSI plates.

I don't actually want the ISO plates. But I'll get someone who owes me money to pay JD anyway. (Can't make a gift from a Singapore paypal account).

After the group buy is done, usually people who missed the group buy start looking for the group buy organizer. JD can sell them the plates and return me my money then. By doing this, the GB organizer won't have to sweat it if the plates don't sell right away, while keeping some in stock is very helpful for latecomers.

I'm willing to pay for 6 plates (4 ANSI, 2 ISO) and just take 2 or fewer plates. I want to fund a small inventory to help out those who missed the group buy make their purchase at group buy price. It always irritates me to see people flipping stuff for profit just because they can get away with it. And it irritates me even more to hear them talk about the free market. Well, free market also allows market participants to keep inventory and sell at cost if they wish to, so there!

Those who know me, know that I've always been willing to give up my place in group buys if there isn't enough stuff to go around. If latecomers want all 6 plates, I'm 100% ok with getting zero. I'm not a charitable foundation, so after all plates get sold I still want my money back at cost, of course.

It is my intention that after I get back my money, I'll put that back into helping another group buy. Hopefully I can kick start a geekhack custom of keeping excess inventory from group buys so that those who missed the GB don't have to beg and overpay for stuff.

I want to thank berserkfan very much for this extremely generous offer.


Testing Tour
If you have a full size keyboard (OTHER than Ducky G2 Pro, Rosewill RK-9000, Filco Majestouch, WASD CODE, Cherry G80-3000), and you would be willing to test fit the prototype plate with your keyboard, please send a PM to me (jdcarpe) stating your interest, which keyboard you own, and your US mailing address. Requirements are that you can turn this around in a matter of a few days, that you can take pictures to show fit and/or any issues with case/PCB, and you are willing to pay shipping cost from you to the next person via USPS Priority Mail. Your keyboard doesn't HAVE to be desoldered for you to perform a test fit, but it might help.

[infiniti]

I don't qualify for the test tour but I offer any assistance I can provide.

I have pics of my Shine 2 PCB and plate when I modded it.

[bianco]

will probably get a couple of pieces of this.
then hope it can fit the wasd code.

I now have a CODE I can test the plate with. That was the purpose of the test plate, to try and fit it to as many real world keyboards as possible before we make a final design and move to production. Any fitment issues can be addressed now, during the design and testing phase.

that's wonderful.
looking forward to it!

[whiskytango]

I don't qualify for the test tour but I offer any assistance I can provide.

I have pics of my Shine 2 PCB and plate when I modded it.

I'd like to see those pics. I can compare them to my G2 to see if the holes look the same. I have a feeling they are the same though. I think the shine and G2 PCBs are the same except that the G2 does not have the LED related items installed.

[infiniti]

I don't qualify for the test tour but I offer any assistance I can provide.

I have pics of my Shine 2 PCB and plate when I modded it.

I'd like to see those pics. I can compare them to my G2 to see if the holes look the same. I have a feeling they are the same though. I think the shine and G2 PCBs are the same except that the G2 does not have the LED related items installed.

Here's the pics:

PCB-front:


PCB-rear:


Plate:


Since the keyboard has been assembled, I can only take additional pictures of the PCB rear, plate with switches, and the inside of the case if needed.

[whiskytango]

Thanks for those pics infiniti. I just compared my 9008G2 plate and PCB to your pics, and the mounting holes appear to be identical for both.

Pics of plate on Rosewill RK-9000: http://imgur.com/a/k3MxJ

I don't see any reason this would not fit if you actually cut the top right portion off, which this design easily allows for. I didn't want to cut this sample plate yet.

Potential issue: You can see the solid area of the red stock plate will rest on that standoff to the left of the up arrow and help support the plate. Our universal design does not have any support in this area and when you press on the plate there it flexes quite a bit. Possible solution: Make that cutout area user-removable just like the top right corner. Then you would have support here, but you could cut out that area if you needed to mount this plate on a board that has a controller there.

[CommonCurt]

Thanks for those pics infiniti. I just compared my 9008G2 plate and PCB to your pics, and the mounting holes appear to be identical for both.

Pics of plate on Rosewill RK-9000: http://imgur.com/a/k3MxJ

I don't see any reason this would not fit if you actually cut the top right portion off, which this design easily allows for. I didn't want to cut this sample plate yet.

Potential issue: You can see the solid area of the red stock plate will rest on that standoff to the left of the up arrow and help support the plate. Our universal design does not have any support in this area and when you press on the plate there it flexes quite a bit. Possible solution: Make that cutout area user-removable just like the top right corner. Then you would have support here, but you could cut out that area if you needed to mount this plate on a board that has a controller there.

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I see.  Good idea on a possible fix solution.

[whiskytango]

I really think it would be OK without, but it could make things feel a little more solid

[CommonCurt]

I really think it would be OK without, but it could make things feel a little more solid

Yeah I don't think I would use it if there was any flex or movement.

[infiniti]

Thanks for those pics infiniti. I just compared my 9008G2 plate and PCB to your pics, and the mounting holes appear to be identical for both.

You're welcome!  Cool that it fits.

[taylordcraig]

interested in 3-4 tkl and a 104

[TLSC.wipeOut]

is there a fully customizable PCB that is full sized? anything along the lines of say a phantom or an a87 that can pair up nicely with this plate?

[whiskytango]

I think it may fit the NerD 108

Edit: No idea what case you would put it in though. I think GON made that to only fit a case where the top layer is the plate. I don't see any mounting holes in the pic on his website.

[CommonCurt]

Any new info on this ?

[jdcarpe]

I have the plate at the moment, and I will be test fitting it to a few keyboards this weekend. Once I have the final changes made to the design, this should be ready to go forward very soon.

[SpAmRaY]

I have the plate at the moment, and I will be test fitting it to a few keyboards this weekend. Once I have the final changes made to the design, this should be ready to go forward very soon.

Are you going to open up the CODE to see if it is compatible?

[CommonCurt]

I have the plate at the moment, and I will be test fitting it to a few keyboards this weekend. Once I have the final changes made to the design, this should be ready to go forward very soon.

Cool.  Thanks JD.

[Flamingchook]

I'll definitely be getting at least one of these.

[grapenutster]

I'll order one

[Grendel]

Interested in a plate or two !

Thanks for those pics infiniti. I just compared my 9008G2 plate and PCB to your pics, and the mounting holes appear to be identical for both.

Pics of plate on Rosewill RK-9000: http://imgur.com/a/k3MxJ

I don't see any reason this would not fit if you actually cut the top right portion off, which this design easily allows for. I didn't want to cut this sample plate yet.

Potential issue: You can see the solid area of the red stock plate will rest on that standoff to the left of the up arrow and help support the plate. Our universal design does not have any support in this area and when you press on the plate there it flexes quite a bit. Possible solution: Make that cutout area user-removable just like the top right corner. Then you would have support here, but you could cut out that area if you needed to mount this plate on a board that has a controller there.

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I have to double check this, but isn't the RK-9000 plate/PCB assembly hold in the case by resting on the folded-over edges of the original plate ? If so, wouldn't the assembly w/ the replacement plate rattle around in the case ? The QFR/S and QFXT (and even the demo tester ;)) are build exactly the same BTW..

[whiskytango]

Interested in a plate or two !

Thanks for those pics infiniti. I just compared my 9008G2 plate and PCB to your pics, and the mounting holes appear to be identical for both.

Pics of plate on Rosewill RK-9000: http://imgur.com/a/k3MxJ

I don't see any reason this would not fit if you actually cut the top right portion off, which this design easily allows for. I didn't want to cut this sample plate yet.

Potential issue: You can see the solid area of the red stock plate will rest on that standoff to the left of the up arrow and help support the plate. Our universal design does not have any support in this area and when you press on the plate there it flexes quite a bit. Possible solution: Make that cutout area user-removable just like the top right corner. Then you would have support here, but you could cut out that area if you needed to mount this plate on a board that has a controller there.

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I have to double check this, but isn't the RK-9000 plate/PCB assembly hold in the case by resting on the folded-over edges of the original plate ? If so, wouldn't the assembly w/ the replacement plate rattle around in the case ? The QFR/S and QFXT (and even the demo tester ;)) are build exactly the same BTW..

Well, you're right, the stock plate does rest on the edges on those models. However, there are also some standoffs the the plate rests on, and the case tops pushes down on the flat surfaces of the plate also to hold it in place. Universal plates like this without folded edges work just fine in a QFR case. I know, there is one sitting in front of me. I don't think it is going to be an issue with the RK-9000 either.

I couldn't fully test this prototype with a RK-9000 because I didn't want to remove the upper right corner of the plate yet on this protoype. That portion is designed to be user removable using a Dremel or other cutting tool so that it works for more types of boards. jdcarpe has the protoype plate right now, and he is test fitting it with some more boards, then he is going to send it back to me. At that point, what I may do is go ahead and remove that portion of the plate and then fully install the plate in my RK-9000 to alleviate all concerns that it will work. I don't think it will be an issue though.

jdcarpe has also already fixed the design flaw which prevented the plate from being installed on a Ducky. There was a hole that was just a little off for one of the case supports to go through. Once jd sends the plate back to me and I confirm that it will fit a RK-9000 after the removable portion of the plate is removed, this will be ready to go to group buy. I'm getting them cut by a shop that is local to me. I haven't figured out what the exact group price will have to be to cover all of the costs, but I think everyone will be pleased with the price point. The estimate they gave me was pretty good with a MOQ of 40 units. I don't think hitting 40 units will be a problem.

[Grendel]

Roger that, thanks for the effort !!

[badboybry9000]

Wow this plate is shaping up to be amazing. I'm interested in a couple.

[berserkfan]

 they gave me was pretty good with a MOQ of 40 units. I don't think hitting 40 units will be a problem.

NOT hitting 40 units would be the problem.

The only disappointment to me would be inability to fit Deck Legends.

I am tempted to tell Margo not to start modding, and to wait until the universal plate is produced. But I think that's gonna take too long....

[whiskytango]

 they gave me was pretty good with a MOQ of 40 units. I don't think hitting 40 units will be a problem.

NOT hitting 40 units would be the problem.

The only disappointment to me would be inability to fit Deck Legends.

I am tempted to tell Margo not to start modding, and to wait until the universal plate is produced. But I think that's gonna take too long....

I just looked up pics of that board, and I don't think it will fit the Deck Legend because of the non-standard bottom row. I believe that one limitation of this plate is that the board will have to have a standard ANSI bottom row (1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25)

And what I mean was that, with all of the interest people have expressed, I don't think we'll have difficulty getting enough orders.

[berserkfan]

 they gave me was pretty good with a MOQ of 40 units. I don't think hitting 40 units will be a problem.

NOT hitting 40 units would be the problem.

The only disappointment to me would be inability to fit Deck Legends.

I am tempted to tell Margo not to start modding, and to wait until the universal plate is produced. But I think that's gonna take too long....

I just look up pics of that board, and I don't think it will fit the Deck Legend because of the non-standard bottom row. I believe that one limitation of this plate is that the board will have to have a standard ANSI bottom row (1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25)

And what I mean was that, with all of the interest people have expressed, I don't think we'll have difficulty getting enough orders.

I wonder if we can ever get plates for corsairs and Decks thanks to the non-standard layouts. I guess we're limited to sawing away manually?

[jdcarpe]

 they gave me was pretty good with a MOQ of 40 units. I don't think hitting 40 units will be a problem.

NOT hitting 40 units would be the problem.

The only disappointment to me would be inability to fit Deck Legends.

I am tempted to tell Margo not to start modding, and to wait until the universal plate is produced. But I think that's gonna take too long....

I just look up pics of that board, and I don't think it will fit the Deck Legend because of the non-standard bottom row. I believe that one limitation of this plate is that the board will have to have a standard ANSI bottom row (1.25-1.25-1.25-6.25-1.25-1.25-1.25-1.25)

And what I mean was that, with all of the interest people have expressed, I don't think we'll have difficulty getting enough orders.

I wonder if we can ever get plates for corsairs and Decks thanks to the non-standard layouts. I guess we're limited to sawing away manually?

That's why no one should ever buy a keyboard with non-standard keycap sizes.

[berserkfan]

JD, you know how they get away with it?

Corsair - awesome design and casing
Deck - best keycaps in the business

If not for these reasons, nobody on geekhack would buy their keyboards.

I'm just waiting for someone on geekhack to clue in (hint: YOU) and offer a corsair-like casing, double shot PBT backlit keycaps, AND a switch moddable plate. It sucks that most group buys are never comprehensive so no one can get a Keyboard that Rules All and stop buying.

[whiskytango]

We will never stop buying. I keep telling myself that I will but it hasn't happened yet

[CommonCurt]

Been looking forward to this for my full size MJ2's. 

As long as they plate won't wiggle or slide I will be in 

[sakai4eva]

+1 from me for this awesome idea

[Mooby]

Really considering to buy one. How would this plate be in weight and stability compared to the standard filco plate?

Will this fit a MJ1? I don't know if there's even a difference between the MJ1 and MJ2 regarding the plate.

[CommonCurt]

Just checking in to see how this is going.

I saw the Phantom plate GB and it made me think of these.

[berserkfan]

For those who are buying the plate but only need the 104 part (ie you plan to discard the 4x1 extra part), may I humbly ask for the plate (4x1 platelet)? I have some projects that could use a tiny plate on a hand wired array.

[JaccoW]

Berserkfan, what is making these plates incompatible with the Déck Legend? Just the 1x Fn, Alt Gr, Win and menu keys on the bottom right?

[berserkfan]

Berserkfan, what is making these plates incompatible with the Déck Legend? Just the 1x Fn, Alt Gr, Win and menu keys on the bottom right?

UM, very important, don't be fooled. Actually the gaps between the main, and the tenkey, and the numpad areas are all slightly wider for the Deck Legend. About 2mm each leading to 4mm total dif. A Deck owner would have to mod a heck lot to make it work.

The problem does not seem to exist for newer Decks though.

[JaccoW]

It would mean cutting the plate in several pieces you mean. Not a pretty mod to do and probably not worth the effort.
Shame

[Igthorn]

What about putting a switch opener tool in the space where the controller cutout is?  Seems like a good use of discarded metal.

[jdcarpe]

What about putting a switch opener tool in the space where the controller cutout is?  Seems like a good use of discarded metal.

Switch tools are labor intensive. They require bending and grinding to get a finished product. I'm not sure we want to go down that road.

[Igthorn]

I mean just the rough shape of it and we could grind it down ourselves.  We'd just cut it away from the plate and then we're free to use or not use it.

[ninjadoc]

If  this is still a possibility I could use one or two of them.

[whiskytango]

Yes the buy is still gonna happen. Going to try to get it going soon.

[ImBZppl]

Has anybody tested this with a ducky shine 3 yet?

[ccc24]

Does the plate fit a ducky zero shine?

[quene]

I would consider getting this!

[Arcoril]

I just wanted to see how this was coming along. I'd be super interested in picking a few of these up since I have a number of RK-9000s and QFRs that I'd love to convert to Cherry stabs.

[chzel]

Funds permitting, I am really interested in 2 plates!
Let's get this rolling!

[Flamingchook]

Any updates on this?

[whiskytango]

Hey guys, sorry for lack of updates on my end. Last time I talked to jd about it, he was tweaking the plate design I believe.

I have been kinda busy with real life for a while, first getting ready for baby, and then dealing with him actually coming. Our first child, a boy, was born October 8th, and between that and work I have been swamped. He was three weeks early, but all is well. When things settle down for me, I still intend to do a run of these from my local cutter.

[SpAmRaY]

Congrats on the kid! As crazy as my two are I wouldn't know what to do without them.

Still looking forward to this happening but it is good to make sure things are right and you have the time.

[Melvang]

I would take one here please.

[jdcarpe]

I would take one here please.

A kid?

[Flamingchook]

Hey guys, sorry for lack of updates on my end. Last time I talked to jd about it, he was tweaking the plate design I believe.

I have been kinda busy with real life for a while, first getting ready for baby, and then dealing with him actually coming. Our first child, a boy, was born October 8th, and between that and work I have been swamped. He was three weeks early, but all is well. When things settle down for me, I still intend to do a run of these from my local cutter.

Congrats mate!

No rush with the plates. Just enjoy your time with the little one.

[SpAmRaY]

I would take one here please.

A kid?

Well that is one way to drop the hint, since Mrs. Melvang is also a member here.

[Melvang]

I would take one here please.

A kid?

Well that is one way to drop the hint, since Mrs. Melvang is also a member here.

No more kids for me.  I got the big snip after our daughter.  I just want a plate in ANSI 125.

[SpAmRaY]

[beltet]

If it would get some ISO love I'm interested.

[honoka]

If it would get some ISO love I'm interested.

What he said.
I'd buy 5 ISO-plates to start with

[ThomasBastiani]

I'm in for 2 plates. I would appreciate stainless steel but I'll take aluminium otherwise. :-)

[jchamer]

I would love either a plate if this is still active or a drawing file if somebody can get me one

[whiskytango]

I would love either a plate if this is still active or a drawing file if somebody can get me one

So, I was going to get a run of these done using jd's design a little over a year ago. I got a prototype one-off made and we figured out that it needed some changes to fit a ducky, but it fit my rosewill fairly well. jd was going to make the necessary changes to the design (which he did) and then I was going to do a run at a cutter that is local to me. I did not get this done before my son was born in October last year, and nothing has really been the same since, lol.

A few months ago, I got back in contact with jd about following through and doing a run of these. I got the most updated cad file from him and got a quote for a run of 50 plates. However, once again, I got busy with life and did not follow through.

I did at least do some work on actual numbers. If the quote the cutter gave me is still accurate, I think I can get these done for about $30 per plate. That covers everything except shipping.

So if there is enough interest for about 50 orders, I can still do this. I would not take any money until plates are in hand. If there's still interest, I will ask to start a group buy.

My time is limited, so I would want to keep the order limited to 50.

So, do people still want these?


EDIT: I should mention, this design fits ANSI only. I did not make the design, all credit for that goes to jd. If you want him to do an ISO design, you can ask him, but this buy will be for ANSI only if I do one. I am not prepared to have it be any more complicated than that.

[Flamingchook]

I'll definitely be getting at least one of these.

I'll still definitely be getting one of these if they happen.

[jchamer]

Well it's understandable that life got in the way, but after some looking I think I'll just prototype my own at a local makerspace.

[studyourheart]

I would definitely be interested in a couple of these!

[Giorgio]

Very interested if it's compatible with a gon or winkeyless full size pcb

[jdcarpe]

Very interested if it's compatible with a gon or winkeyless full size pcb

I'm not sure if the spacing between the alphas and the F-row is the same for those custom PCBs as it is for stock keyboards. The intent of this plate is to swap out the stock plate for this one in keyboards like Filco, Ducky, etc., so you can open the switches later without desoldering. And you could for instance switch the stabilizers in a Filco to Cherry instead of Costar.

[Oobly]

I'm definitely interested in getting two of these if the GB goes ahead

[FreeCopy]

Definitely in for one.

[jdcarpe]

I don't know how best to advertise this, but people need to be made aware that this plate works equally as well for an 87-key as for a 104/108-key. One plate for full size and TKL!

I see WTB threads in Classifieds all the time searching for Universal TKL plates...

[TalkingTree]

Looks like the Filco PCB is universal (there are holes for ANSI, ISO and JIS).
How about an universal plate?

[jdcarpe]

Looks like the Filco PCB is universal (there are holes for ANSI, ISO and JIS).
How about an universal plate?

It can't work like that, unfortunately, because of the need for plate mounted stabilizers. Sorry. You're not the first to ask - I get asked this all the time.

[TalkingTree]

Looks like the Filco PCB is universal (there are holes for ANSI, ISO and JIS).
How about an universal plate?

It can't work like that, unfortunately, because of the need for plate mounted stabilizers.

Right, I didn't think to that.

You're not the first to ask - I get asked this all the time.

My bad, sorry.

[jdcarpe]

My bad, sorry.

No need to apologize, I just didn't want you to feel like I was shutting you down out-of-hand.

[cryptokey]

Looks great!  Unfortunately I'd only be able to use it if it was compatible with Varmilo VA87MR or WASD CODE 87 though. 

[jdcarpe]

Looks great!  Unfortunately I'd only be able to use it if it was compatible with Varmilo VA87MR or WASD CODE 87 though. 

Not sure about the Varmilo, but I think it's probably compatible with the CODE. I know for sure it will work with the KUL ES-87.

[LeandreN]

As i have said before. I can produce these plates in various materials used and if it is needed. I would like to see an ISO option since the universal is not possible because of plate mounted stabilisers.

Carbon Fiber

Steel

Aluminium

[LeandreN]

Okay i got the files, ready for production and orders. I need a proxy in the US that can ship all the american and international orders. I will take care of Europe if it is cheaper than just sending it via the US proxy.

I can't have all the options that i have in the current GB, however you can discuss if you would like some colors, or materials especially.

2-3 options would be fine.

[jdcarpe]

IMO, stainless and a couple anodized alu colors would be great. I love the black and red plates I got.

[TalkingTree]

I believe black should be the first option since many of these keyboards have black plates. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[LeandreN]

Also JDcarpe, the price will almost be the same with the tenkey removed as an option. Just so you know.

[LeandreN]

Yeah i will probably run this at the same time as the HHKB plates.

I need a US shipper, let me know if you want to do the hard work.

[punkpc]

Any hope that these might still get made?

If not will the file become available so I could get a couple cut for myself?

Thanks

[Jumie]

Any hope that these might still get made?

If not will the file become available so I could get a couple cut for myself?

Thanks

I heard Jd will run another gb for his plate

[punkpc]

Any hope that these might still get made?

If not will the file become available so I could get a couple cut for myself?

Thanks

I heard Jd will run another gb for his plate

I hope so... I would like to get a few of these plates.

Thanks for the info 

[punkpc]

If there isn't going to be another group buy on this, is there a way to get the file so I could do a short run?

Just wondering because I have a few projects that could use these.

[duynguyenle]

If this IC is still active, I would be interested in an ISO-compatible plate if that is an available option.

[SpAmRaY]

If this IC is still active, I would be interested in an ISO-compatible plate if that is an available option.

It's pretty much dead.

[whiskytango]

Did leandren never do a run?

[SpAmRaY]

Did leandren never do a run?

Nope. He said due to the larger size shipping was too much of a hassle.

[balancebox]

interested in 1-2 for my filco maj2 and a cmstorm TKL

[WNovizar]

Is this still happening?

[punkpc]

Is this still happening?

+1

[00zeRO]

We now have them available on MechanicalKeyboards.com should anyone be interested.