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Offline cocobrais

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[IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:30:44 »
Hello Guys!
Here I come back again with SA Handarbeit+ keyset which is one of the most interesting colorway set.

Inspried by Cherry G81-3000HBD OG Handarbeit keyboard.

Some guys have been asking Handarbeit set with SA profile after GMK Handarbeit+ R1 GB, and finally SA Handarbeit+ set was designed.

I'd like to introduce the SA Handarbeit+.

Although SA Handarbeit+ is the same as the colorway of GMK Handarbeit, you can add this to your Handarbeit collection because the profile is different.


Manufacturer : Signature Plastics
When : To be updated (Expect April 2021)
Where : Drop.com

KITS
All kits are being almost finalized, but will consider your suggestions before starting the GB.
Let me know your opinion!

Base : 1-1-2-3-4-3 Profile


Horizontal R3 : 3-3-3-3-3 Profile


Numpad : 1-1-2-3-4-3 Profile


Spacebar : R3 Spacebar and R3/R4 'B' for Alice kayout



RENDERS






Profile Comparison (Base kit vs Horizontal R3)




Enjoy!
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:35:37 by cocobrais »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:31:43 »
nice

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:32:25 »
cmon man

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:32:45 »
why

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:32:56 »
Can we get other venders except Drop please?

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Offline mydens

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:33:53 »
This looks like a desperate attempt to cover a board with SP grab bags  :D

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:35:22 »
Can we get other venders except Drop please?

Kind regards,
EU member

No.

King regards,
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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:38:58 »
I want this in the bin
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:13:11 by swomi »

Offline MinaDarsh

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:47:15 »
No... Just no...









... Could there come alternative deep dish homing too for the R3 kit? H, U, N and T in yellow?

Edit: Wasn't aware of the whole situation with Handarbeit, this is a bummer that it went as it seems it did... :(
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:36:09 by MinaDarsh »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:48:30 »
This is too far away from the original concept to make sense IMO

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:50:53 »
 :mad:

Offline NovaRMK

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:51:56 »
is anyone else on the verge of a mental breakdown?

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:54:02 »
is anyone else on the verge of a mental breakdown?
i think we all are

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Offline bisoromi

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:55:33 »
i love SA
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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 08:57:25 »
I'm all for SA handarbeit existing (even though I don't like SA), but it seems odd to me that you would launch this a month before GMK R2 on a different vendor. What's the goal of launching them so close together?

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:00:07 »
Hello Guys!
Here I come back again with SA Handarbeit+ keyset which is one of the most interesting colorway set.

Inspried by Cherry G81-3000HBD OG Handarbeit keyboard.

Some guys have been asking Handarbeit set with SA profile after GMK Handarbeit+ R1 GB, and finally SA Handarbeit+ set was designed.

I'd like to introduce the SA Handarbeit+.

Although SA Handarbeit+ is the same as the colorway of GMK Handarbeit, you can add this to your Handarbeit collection because the profile is different.


Manufacturer : Signature Plastics
When : To be updated (Expect April 2021)
Where : Drop.com

KITS
All kits are being almost finalized, but will consider your suggestions before starting the GB.
Let me know your opinion!

Base : 1-1-2-3-4-3 Profile
Show Image


Horizontal R3 : 3-3-3-3-3 Profile
Show Image


Numpad : 1-1-2-3-4-3 Profile
Show Image


Spacebar : R3 Spacebar and R3/R4 'B' for Alice kayout
Show Image



RENDERS
Show Image

Show Image

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Show Image



Profile Comparison (Base kit vs Horizontal R3)
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Enjoy!
SP said no to DSS Handerbate, so du u got approval from Cherry to use this?

Offline dededecline

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:02:03 »
Oh, so this is why you denied permission for SP DSS Hand Work to run, despite the fact that Handarbeit is not an original colorway?

Guess that explains rushing this and GMK R2 out, gotta reestablish your ownership.
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:03:58 by dededecline »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:02:46 »
Can we get other venders except Drop please?

Kind regards,
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No.

King regards,
Drop

Thank you king.

Offline KuroTheCrazy

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:03:01 »
Let's just take GMK kitting and render it in SA. rip other board compat that SA can accommodate by putting some effort in to the kits.

Offline Langelandia

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:07:55 »
Oh, so this is why you denied permission for SP DSS Hand Work to run, despite the fact that Handarbeit is not an original colorway?

Guess that explains rushing this and GMK R2 out, gotta reestablish your ownership.

100% this... d*** move, bruh

Offline Vortext

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:08:44 »
I would consider if there were other vendors

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:12:30 »
can i pretend this doesnt exist

Offline Hedgey

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:18:40 »
Oh, so this is why you denied permission for SP DSS Hand Work to run, despite the fact that Handarbeit is not an original colorway?

Guess that explains rushing this and GMK R2 out, gotta reestablish your ownership.

If this is true, what a seriously scummy move to do.  No one should support this type of behavior, it's inexcusable.
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Offline TheBlackHammer

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:20:55 »
Itís almost like someone approached you months ago about running a set similar. I wonder where you got the SP idea from...


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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:27:45 »
this is literally not allowed
mad

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:28:19 »
I guess if we're allowed to take ownership of colors used on old boards and slap down any projects that I don't have to approve of I hereby claim ownership of Beige and Dolch. I'll leave WoB to Drop and BoW to Dixie just because I'm feeling a bit generous.



Here's SP's reasoning for not wanting to run Dss hand work. This convinces me that Coco wasn't willing to provide SP with the facts that Handarbeit was based on an old board to keep the set under his control.
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:44:44 by Kokaloo »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:37:08 »
 :eek:

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:41:53 »
at this rate, it shouldn't be called handarbeit. more like hand-me-your-money. what an ***hole.

Offline tominabox1

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:48:57 »
Not interested.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:58:45 »
Just a note that this post needs to go to a different subforum:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36672.msg2573004#msg2573004

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Effective immediately, all IC's that are posted which are intended to be ran via Massdrop are not allowed to be posted in the IC sub-forum.  This includes topics that contain links to vote for a keyset or item through Massdrop.  These topics should be made in the Massdrop sub-forum.  Topics that are made in the IC sub-forum will be moved to the Massdrop sub-forum.

Please use the report feature to let the mod team know of any topics that fit the above rule.  We are seeing more and more 'hype' topics being made in the IC sub-forum that take little to no feedback from members.  That isn't the purpose of this sub-forum, nor the site.  Massdrop has its own discussion medium that can be used to this end.

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Offline nasp

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:19:50 »
This is what greed looks like
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:30:53 by nasp »


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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:24:24 »
I guess if we're allowed to take ownership of colors used on old boards and slap down any projects that I don't have to approve of I hereby claim ownership of Beige and Dolch. I'll leave WoB to Drop and BoW to Dixie just because I'm feeling a bit generous.

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Here's SP's reasoning for not wanting to run Dss hand work. This convinces me that Coco wasn't willing to provide SP with the facts that Handarbeit was based on an old board to keep the set under his control.
Can I take ownership of the Olivia colorway? If this ownership works retroactively, I will be cracking down on GMK Cafe to take what's rightfully mine.

Offline succulentdan

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:28:50 »
oh awesome, time for my daily dose of pain. imagine if this was in the dss profile....and catered towards 40s. what a concept.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:39:32 »
i would swear but I cannot

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:54:38 »
Just a note that this post needs to go to a different subforum:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36672.msg2573004#msg2573004

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Effective immediately, all IC's that are posted which are intended to be ran via Massdrop are not allowed to be posted in the IC sub-forum.  This includes topics that contain links to vote for a keyset or item through Massdrop.  These topics should be made in the Massdrop sub-forum.  Topics that are made in the IC sub-forum will be moved to the Massdrop sub-forum.

Please use the report feature to let the mod team know of any topics that fit the above rule.  We are seeing more and more 'hype' topics being made in the IC sub-forum that take little to no feedback from members.  That isn't the purpose of this sub-forum, nor the site.  Massdrop has its own discussion medium that can be used to this end.

This decision comes from the entire moderation team and there will be no exceptions to the rule.

Appreciate the diligent community policing of these threads (no sarcasm, I realize it may come across that way). The IC rules have been updated to remove this Drop-specific rule, as the community as a whole has shifted since the rule was implemented.


Here's SP's reasoning for not wanting to run Dss hand work. This convinces me that Coco wasn't willing to provide SP with the facts that Handarbeit was based on an old board to keep the set under his control.

I don't see mention of SP's reasoning for not running DSS Handarbeit in that thread, can anyone fill me in on the details? Handarbeit as about as close to public domain as you can get with unique keyset designs... how can any one person possibly claim ownership, aside from perhaps the original Cherry employee that put it together (who I doubt is our affable OP here)?

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:59:55 »
I'm in for both GMK and SA.
Except the R3 one.
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:05:09 by manaorme »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:05:17 »
this is better
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[IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:05:56 »
Just a note that this post needs to go to a different subforum:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36672.msg2573004#msg2573004

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Please use the report feature to let the mod team know of any topics that fit the above rule.  We are seeing more and more 'hype' topics being made in the IC sub-forum that take little to no feedback from members.  That isn't the purpose of this sub-forum, nor the site.  Massdrop has its own discussion medium that can be used to this end.

This decision comes from the entire moderation team and there will be no exceptions to the rule.

Appreciate the diligent community policing of these threads (no sarcasm, I realize it may come across that way). The IC rules have been updated to remove this Drop-specific rule, as the community as a whole has shifted since the rule was implemented.


Here's SP's reasoning for not wanting to run Dss hand work. This convinces me that Coco wasn't willing to provide SP with the facts that Handarbeit was based on an old board to keep the set under his control.

I don't see mention of SP's reasoning for not running DSS Handarbeit in that thread, can anyone fill me in on the details? Handarbeit as about as close to public domain as you can get with unique keyset designs... how can any one person possibly claim ownership, aside from perhaps the original Cherry employee that put it together (who I doubt is our affable OP here)?

Yea so basically I designed a set using similar colors but all stock SP chips. The colors were similar to original handarbeit and I titled it hand work. It was set to be in the DSS profile which is a popular profile in the 40s community. I tried to contact coco several times to give a heads up that I was using the similar colors. I even went as far as contacting his original vendors to see if they could contact him/her. I had no luck with contacting so I went on and went with getting quotes from SP for the DSS hand work set. Once I submitted everything Melissa from SP got back to me and said they canít run the set because the original Creator (coco) did not give permission and went out of their way to contact SP to say so. Essentially coco is gatekeeping colors and it seems like bringing this set to SP is a way to completely cut me out or is a cash grab. Either way it seems a little rude. It ultimately led me to completely change the colors and redesign how I was planning on running the set.


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« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:08:59 by TheBlackHammer »

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:08:49 »
I don't see mention of SP's reasoning for not running DSS Handarbeit in that thread, can anyone fill me in on the details? Handarbeit as about as close to public domain as you can get with unique keyset designs... how can any one person possibly claim ownership, aside from perhaps the original Cherry employee that put it together (who I doubt is our affable OP here)?

It's not in that thread, SP's response to BlackHammer getting quotes is the image I attached in my post. Hand Work had more traction and activity through the 40% discord where that was posted.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:13:25 »
Given the story behind Handarbeit, it feels wrong running it in any other profile other than Cherry.

It also feels wrong starting an interest check for this when a new round of GMK Handarbeit is happening soon.


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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:16:48 »
Yea so basically I designed a set using similar colors but all stock SP chips. The colors were similar to original handarbeit and I titled it hand work. It was set to be in the DSS profile which is a popular profile in the 40s community. I tried to contact coco several times to give a heads up that I was using the similar colors. I even went as far as contacting his original vendors to see if they could contact him/her. I had no luck with contacting so I went on and went with getting quotes from SP for the DSS hand work set. Once I submitted everything Melissa from SP got back to me and said they canít run the set because the original Creator (coco) did not give permission and went out of their way to contact SP to say so. Essentially coco is gatekeeping colors and it seems like bringing this set to SP is a way to completely cut me out or is a cash grab. Either way it seems a little rude. It ultimately led me to completely change the colors and redesign how I was planning on running the set.

Damn... That's incredibly ****ty! This set is not coco's design... They even claimed to have "designed" the set a few years ago, after having seen the original. Just...what?

I don't see mention of SP's reasoning for not running DSS Handarbeit in that thread, can anyone fill me in on the details? Handarbeit as about as close to public domain as you can get with unique keyset designs... how can any one person possibly claim ownership, aside from perhaps the original Cherry employee that put it together (who I doubt is our affable OP here)?

It's not in that thread, SP's response to BlackHammer getting quotes is the image I attached in my post. Hand Work had more traction and activity through the 40% discord where that was posted.

Oh ****, sorry, I'm at work so the image didn't load up. I gotcha now though, thanks.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:22:50 »
Senior Hoffman, not sure if you have any ties to Drop other then their ownership of this forum, but if you do, will you please inform them of this situation? It's incredibly bad look for them to be running this set given OP's false claims of ownership to the Handarbeit image. Most people around here know that Drop doesn't need more bad PR tied to them. Thanks


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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:28:10 »
Senior Hoffman, not sure if you have any ties to Drop other then their ownership of this forum, but if you do, will you please inform them of this situation? It's incredibly bad look for them to be running this set given OP's false claims of ownership to the Handarbeit image. Most people around here know that Drop doesn't need more bad PR tied to them. Thanks

I do not have any ties to Drop, but will gladly pass this info along. :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:53:09 »
So it seems COCO got this Idea way before DSS Hand work was in the plan...

Seems COCO contacted SP and was in the planning with them to run SP Handarbeit BEFORE, DSS Hand work was in plan.

In my eyes, COCO did GMK Handarbeit so he has some credit to "own" the idea of running anything handarbeit-wise.


Fu.. the haters and bandwagoning.

I am buyin! :thumb:




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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:59:43 »
So it seems COCO got this Idea way before DSS Hand work was in the plan...

Seems COCO contacted SP and was in the planning with them to run SP Handarbeit BEFORE, DSS Hand work was in plan.

In my eyes, COCO did GMK Handarbeit so he has some credit to "own" the idea of running anything handarbeit-wise.


Fu.. the haters and bandwagoning.

I am buyin! :thumb:

How different does it have to be to be free to run in your mind?

Remember Coco didn't invent handarbeit at all, just like 7bit didn't invent space cadet, just like oblotsky didn't invent space cadet, just like I didn't invent space cadet, just like hhkbp2 didn't invent space cadet
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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:03:37 »
Not interested.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:07:24 »
NO GOD!!! PLEASE NO!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:21:37 »
So it seems COCO got this Idea way before DSS Hand work was in the plan...

Seems COCO contacted SP and was in the planning with them to run SP Handarbeit BEFORE, DSS Hand work was in plan.

In my eyes, COCO did GMK Handarbeit so he has some credit to "own" the idea of running anything handarbeit-wise.


Fu.. the haters and bandwagoning.

I am buyin! :thumb:
From my understanding SP wasnít contacted until I posted my interest check for hand work. So yea...I could be wrong but from my contacts it seems I presented dss hand work, then SP was contacted. The reasoning for hand work spawned out of the want for faster turnaround and a new profile. All of which I expressed in my initial interest check. And coincidentally is also mentioned here. I knew there would possibly be a gmk r2 because most popular sets get a r2 but no one knew of a SP variant


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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:21:47 »
How could anyone support this set now that it is clear that someone is trying to take ownership over something that isnít theirs. The fact that you blocked DSS hand work from running is so scummy I canít imagine how anyone could support this set.

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Re: [IC] SP SA Handarbeit+
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:31:02 »
Senior Hoffman, not sure if you have any ties to Drop other then their ownership of this forum, but if you do, will you please inform them of this situation? It's incredibly bad look for them to be running this set given OP's false claims of ownership to the Handarbeit image. Most people around here know that Drop doesn't need more bad PR tied to them. Thanks

Wow, I hardly comment on these kinds of things but this seems like a downright sh**** thing to do. And it's a shame SP would be willing to go along with this - even worse the issue here is it seems Drop has done a lot of things that are considered 'wrong', but hopefully they'd be willing to hear this out.

Not cool of OP!!
« Last Edit: Thu, 18 March 2021, 13:10:38 by Ustinj »