Unicomp gel pens
Get your head out of the keyboard gutter! :P
Yes please!
Yes please!
As requested, I have a small gallery for you :D
Cheers,
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EDIT: So...I can't upload my third photo, therefore I'm posting the original 3 and a bonus on imgur. Check it out!
http://imgur.com/a/DLTnl#0
Yes please!
As requested, I have a small gallery for you :D
Cheers,
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EDIT: So...I can't upload my third photo, therefore I'm posting the original 3 and a bonus on imgur. Check it out!
http://imgur.com/a/DLTnl#0
That looks amazing! I wish that I could get one :(
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Cheers,
I have two Pilot S20 pencils (one red, one brown), which are basically the best pencils I've ever owned. Wood body mechanicals. I have a leather bound, refillable journal from No Boundaries (noboundariesbooks.com), which I got from the maker in Seattle, WA. (Both the leather and the paper were sourced from the U.S. if you're into that kind of thing)
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Apparently nothing but the contact is on the site. Anyways you can email him and order one of the journals. I can post a picture later if any one is interested.
For a second I thought we have the same notebook!
lamy and travel`s notebook
I have two Pilot S20 pencils (one red, one brown), which are basically the best pencils I've ever owned. Wood body mechanicals. I have a leather bound, refillable journal from No Boundaries (noboundariesbooks.com), which I got from the maker in Seattle, WA. (Both the leather and the paper were sourced from the U.S. if you're into that kind of thing)
P.S.
Apparently nothing but the contact is on the site. Anyways you can email him and order one of the journals. I can post a picture later if any one is interested.
Nice... how are the pages bound? That paper looks fun to doodle on.
I'm a bit of a Muji fan so I like using Muji gel pens like this one:
http://www.muji.net/store/cmdty/detail/4548718369102?sc_bh=param1
For notebooks, I like using Whitelines, as the name suggests, rather than having white paper with dark lines, they use light gray paper with white lines instead.
is there a japanese staples to browse and buy online?
Yeah the Japanese have done writing instruments and notebooks (for actually taking notes) better than over here. Whitelines and their casual writing instruments are just superior to those stateside :'(
Cheers,
Yeah the Japanese have done writing instruments and notebooks (for actually taking notes) better than over here. Whitelines and their casual writing instruments are just superior to those stateside :'(
Cheers,
Just a bit of info, Muji is japanese, Whitelines on the otherhand only make notebooks and they are Swedish actually.
You know, this might not be the right place to ask, but maybe you guys can help me out. What's a good leather messenger bag? I'm thinking a budget of... $200? If you know of a better place to ask I'm all ears.
Cheers,
You know, this might not be the right place to ask, but maybe you guys can help me out. What's a good leather messenger bag? I'm thinking a budget of... $200? If you know of a better place to ask I'm all ears.
Cheers,
Try r/malefashionadvice (http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/) on reddit?
You know, this might not be the right place to ask, but maybe you guys can help me out. What's a good leather messenger bag? I'm thinking a budget of... $200? If you know of a better place to ask I'm all ears.
Cheers,
Try r/malefashionadvice (http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/) on reddit?
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I was afraid of that.
Cheers,
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I could never get into fountain pens because I'm lefty. Even with a left handed nib, I didn't enjoy it enough. Stuck on G2s until I find something better :'(
Cheers,
They're not the really nice inkwell pens everyones posting, but I thought I'd share what pens I like to use when journaling :)Translation of blurry journal entry...
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They're not the really nice inkwell pens everyones posting, but I thought I'd share what pens I like to use when journaling :)Translation of blurry journal entry...
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"Glissant is such a babe!" :P I like the pretty doodles, my ex-girlfriend used to do that to my notebooks. :P
HAH! If I ever buy something from Glissant I'm not sure which will be more exciting, the package or the doodle. I love your art!
Lolwut? Not flirting? ROFL!HAH! If I ever buy something from Glissant I'm not sure which will be more exciting, the package or the doodle. I love your art!
You shouldn't be flirting on the interwebz bro.
While I respect his doodles and handwriting... You know... There's a good chance moonprismpwr is a guy with mad photochop skillz.
Lolwut? Not flirting? ROFL!HAH! If I ever buy something from Glissant I'm not sure which will be more exciting, the package or the doodle. I love your art!
You shouldn't be flirting on the interwebz bro.
While I respect his doodles and handwriting... You know... There's a good chance moonprismpwr is a guy with mad photochop skillz.
I haven't seen tp4tissue trolling in a while. Have you been ill or something, tp4tissue?
wifey; don't feed the trolls ;)
Oh and your first sentence brought this back to memory:
Is this guy for real?
Is this guy for real?
Sadly I think he is.
Aren't you distantly related to Glissant? :D
How good is your hand writing? The size of the nib makes a huge difference, I have very cramped / small handwriting so I use an extra fine nib, if I use a medium or think nib then you cannot read my writing!
What is your budget?
How good is your hand writing? The size of the nib makes a huge difference, I have very cramped / small handwriting so I use an extra fine nib, if I use a medium or think nib then you cannot read my writing!
What is your budget?
Um... perhaps start at changing your cramped handwriting first?
That's weird cuz, a fountain pen usually really helps people "Open Up" as they explore the use of a Pen..
I beseech you to relax and feel the gentle smoothness that is to GLIDE a nib vs what you may be doing now, by stabbing the paper. ;D
I write like a draftsman, smaller hand writing but in all caps. I think on the pens 0.7 thickness works fine for me. Budget? I'd rather not spend more than $50.
How good is your hand writing? The size of the nib makes a huge difference, I have very cramped / small handwriting so I use an extra fine nib, if I use a medium or think nib then you cannot read my writing!
What is your budget?
Um... perhaps start at changing your cramped handwriting first?
That's weird cuz, a fountain pen usually really helps people "Open Up" as they explore the use of a Pen..
I beseech you to relax and feel the gentle smoothness that is to GLIDE a nib vs what you may be doing now, by stabbing the paper. ;D
I am changing it, slowly it is opening out and starting to flow more. In a year or so I will sent my pen off to have the nib changed.
Fountain pens are so nice that it encourages you to write in a nicer and smoother way so definitely give it a try.
Oh and once you get a fountain pen you will need to start using decent paper!
Fountain pens are so nice that it encourages you to write in a nicer and smoother way so definitely give it a try.
Oh and once you get a fountain pen you will need to start using decent paper!
ah, paper..
Word of Caution, because more Expensive paper doesn't mean "better" for fountain pens.
Paper that's good for fountain pens are LESS absorbent, and has a smoother denser surface texture.
I have heard very good things about Lamy: http://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Charcoal-Medium/dp/B00133X1V8/ref=pd_sbs_op_4 (http://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Charcoal-Medium/dp/B00133X1V8/ref=pd_sbs_op_4)
I write like a draftsman, smaller hand writing but in all caps. I think on the pens 0.7 thickness works fine for me. Budget? I'd rather not spend more than $50.
Ah... I don't think fountain pens would be a good fit for your "draftsman" style handwriting. Fountain pen is designed for fast ink delivery and smooth curls. If you write like a draftsman, the fast ink rate would be more of a hindrance.. Vs PENCIL...
There's a whole elitist culture behind Pencils too.. Maybe give that a go instead of Fountain pen..
Fountain pens are so nice that it encourages you to write in a nicer and smoother way so definitely give it a try.
Oh and once you get a fountain pen you will need to start using decent paper!
ah, paper..
Word of Caution, because more Expensive paper doesn't mean "better" for fountain pens.
Paper that's good for fountain pens are LESS absorbent, and has a smoother denser surface texture.
I have found that Red & Black paper is excellent whilst Moleskin paper can be a bit touch and go.
Any recommendations?
I write like a draftsman, smaller hand writing but in all caps. I think on the pens 0.7 thickness works fine for me. Budget? I'd rather not spend more than $50.
Ah... I don't think fountain pens would be a good fit for your "draftsman" style handwriting. Fountain pen is designed for fast ink delivery and smooth curls. If you write like a draftsman, the fast ink rate would be more of a hindrance.. Vs PENCIL...
There's a whole elitist culture behind Pencils too.. Maybe give that a go instead of Fountain pen..
I don't really like pencils =( I don't really use them at all. Oh well.
Thanks I will have a look, Moleskine pads are lovely but pretty poor for fountain pen or pencil.
That Lamy looks pretty cool. I'll have to give that a test run. And maybe change up my handwriting lol
O.o Thanks for all the knowledge! I actually think I found shops where I live that sell them so I might go check em out.
Moleskine:Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8291676660_239077d26e_c.jpg)
Plain 100 GSM:Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8221/8291676344_65abe2b709_c.jpg)
It's not old ink, I changed it about a week ago!
Ahhh ok! You have very nice writing!
That is not writing my friend.. I wish it were.. That's script.. A slowwwwww process.. More like drawing...
So I always liked Uniballs and Pilot pens but I want to make the jump to a fountain pen. But I'd like to start in the shallow end and buy an affordable one before I get something like tsangan or longweight. Can anyone recommend me an affordably price fountain pen?Go for a Pilot Metropolitan or a Pilot 78G. Both are cheaper than the Lamy, and good quality. If you have small writing, go for the 78G, as you can get different nibs, and grab a fine. If you're gonna abuse the pen, get the Metro, because it's metal.
So I always liked Uniballs and Pilot pens but I want to make the jump to a fountain pen. But I'd like to start in the shallow end and buy an affordable one before I get something like tsangan or longweight. Can anyone recommend me an affordably price fountain pen?Go for a Pilot Metropolitan or a Pilot 78G. Both are cheaper than the Lamy, and good quality. If you have small writing, go for the 78G, as you can get different nibs, and grab a fine. If you're gonna abuse the pen, get the Metro, because it's metal.
after reading this thread and then watching this video a couple hundred times I caved and bought a twsbi mini clear. I would like to get a flex nib pen when I get better.
I am not a fan of straight flex Nib fountain pens, because to conveniently produce an authentic "copperplate" look, You need an angled Nib holder.. There's No way around it.
With the straight flex nib, you have to write side ways and upwards for copperplate..
What you see in the video is a good demonstration of the ability to vary lines, but at no point do you see him actually reproducing copperplate, because it would be extremely tedious with paper turns on capitals.. Takes FOREVER.....
BUT, that said, if you don't give a $h** about doing copperplate exactly as designed... then Yea, that's still a cool pen to have.
I am not a fan of straight flex Nib fountain pens, because to conveniently produce an authentic "copperplate" look, You need an angled Nib holder.. There's No way around it.
With the straight flex nib, you have to write side ways and upwards for copperplate..
What you see in the video is a good demonstration of the ability to vary lines, but at no point do you see him actually reproducing copperplate, because it would be extremely tedious with paper turns on capitals.. Takes FOREVER.....
BUT, that said, if you don't give a $h** about doing copperplate exactly as designed... then Yea, that's still a cool pen to have.
As a complete noob I was really unaware of any of this. Thank you for the explanation.
I've been fighting with my Ahab all day. I don't like writing slow but I suppose to write quick with line variation you have to mod your feed.
I am not a fan of straight flex Nib fountain pens, because to conveniently produce an authentic "copperplate" look, You need an angled Nib holder.. There's No way around it.
With the straight flex nib, you have to write side ways and upwards for copperplate..
What you see in the video is a good demonstration of the ability to vary lines, but at no point do you see him actually reproducing copperplate, because it would be extremely tedious with paper turns on capitals.. Takes FOREVER.....
BUT, that said, if you don't give a $h** about doing copperplate exactly as designed... then Yea, that's still a cool pen to have.
As a complete noob I was really unaware of any of this. Thank you for the explanation.
There's the "noodler" ahab, which is a bit tricky to make work, but it's only $25 on amazon, and it's a flex nib.. if you're still looking,
and don't wanna buy the $150 namiki, and then pay some guy another $52 to file the tip down for "m0ar" flex.
after reading this thread and then watching this video a couple hundred times I caved and bought a twsbi mini clear. I would like to get a flex nib pen when I get better.
I <3 my high tec c's in my pen type a. Also have another pen body for hi tec c but i forgot the name i believe its made by karas kustoms.
after reading this thread and then watching this video a couple hundred times I caved and bought a twsbi mini clear. I would like to get a flex nib pen when I get better.
thank you, baced god. best video.
I write like a draftsman, smaller hand writing but in all caps. I think on the pens 0.7 thickness works fine for me. Budget? I'd rather not spend more than $50.
The Lamy Safari is my day-to-day pocket pen, and a Pelikan M200 lives at my desk. Both filled with Diamine Registrar's (iron gall) ink. A variety of papers, some of the Quo Vadis notebooks are quite nice to write in.
Sadly, the Safari cap has become somewhat loose... :(
The Lamy Safari is my day-to-day pocket pen, and a Pelikan M200 lives at my desk. Both filled with Diamine Registrar's (iron gall) ink. A variety of papers, some of the Quo Vadis notebooks are quite nice to write in.
Sadly, the Safari cap has become somewhat loose... :(
I'm getting a Lamy 1.5mm Safari for Christmas. Can't wait!
what one did you get?I <3 my high tec c's in my pen type a. Also have another pen body for hi tec c but i forgot the name i believe its made by karas kustoms.
Yea, I saw all these really nice looking hightec C pen holders on Kick starter.. However, after getting one, I realized that part of what I love about the Hi-tec C is how "Light" it was.
Now that I attached a heavy steel tube to it, it looks AWESOME, and a possibly handy in combat... But,, the magic behind the pen is lessened by the weight... It made a great gift for a heavy pen lover friend of mine though. :D
I am now looking for an Aluminum tube/holder perhaps, but, I've yet to see one come up..
Perhaps the tube wouldn't be very durable because it can't quite be that thick.
Dream would be a "resin" holder.
That youtube video is so awesome. How long does it take someone to develop that kind of penmanship if you write about a paragraph a day? And do the tips of these fountain pens wear out fast? I would think all the friction on a sharp tip like that would wear out faster than an el cheapo ballpoint or gel pen.They will virtually never wear out. Most are tipped with iridium, which is very, very hard, and you won't ever see wear in it. It will take a while to develop such penmanship, but if you keep at it, you can get it. It's hard to give an exact time frame, as it will drastically differ between people.
Bought me my first fountain pen, lamy safari. Can't wait to get it :))
Bought me my first fountain pen, lamy safari. Can't wait to get it :))
what one did you get?I <3 my high tec c's in my pen type a. Also have another pen body for hi tec c but i forgot the name i believe its made by karas kustoms.
Yea, I saw all these really nice looking hightec C pen holders on Kick starter.. However, after getting one, I realized that part of what I love about the Hi-tec C is how "Light" it was.
Now that I attached a heavy steel tube to it, it looks AWESOME, and a possibly handy in combat... But,, the magic behind the pen is lessened by the weight... It made a great gift for a heavy pen lover friend of mine though. :D
I am now looking for an Aluminum tube/holder perhaps, but, I've yet to see one come up..
Perhaps the tube wouldn't be very durable because it can't quite be that thick.
Dream would be a "resin" holder.
The Lamy Safari is my day-to-day pocket pen, and a Pelikan M200 lives at my desk. Both filled with Diamine Registrar's (iron gall) ink. A variety of papers, some of the Quo Vadis notebooks are quite nice to write in.
Sadly, the Safari cap has become somewhat loose... :(
I'm getting a Lamy 1.5mm Safari for Christmas. Can't wait!
What colour?!
well, going through this thread i just have to say...
hello new hobby.
well, going through this thread i just have to say...
hello new hobby.
Anyone here ever owned a Fisher space pen?
The matte black is pretty nice and it seems like a decent option for an everyday ballpoint
I'm with demik, hello new money pit.
I love how the g2 writes. I wish people made more pens that took g2 refills. Also, can anyone who has used or own a "vanishing point" comment on how they like or dislike it? I need a clicker.
I'm with demik, hello new money pit.
I love how the g2 writes. I wish people made more pens that took g2 refills. Also, can anyone who has used or own a "vanishing point" comment on how they like or dislike it? I need a clicker.
Not really,, It should be readily apparent from the start whether you actually LIKE to WRITE.... Since very few people these days, NEED to write...
If you don't like to write, then the Pen thing will never catch... :))
Laptops and tablets are superior for note taking,, so even most students are better served by apple.
well, going through this thread i just have to say...
hello new hobby.
what happen to all the kickboxing.
well, going through this thread i just have to say...
hello new hobby.
what happen to all the kickboxing.
haven't done muay thai in around 2 years.
current hobbies are cycling, keyboards and now fountain pens.
id love to get back into muay thai tho!
was thinking of getting one of the "starter" sets from gouletpens.com
notebook, ink, converter, lamy safari for ~60
well if you feel like returning the one you just bought, here's the link
http://www.gouletpens.com/Packages_s/35.htm
well if you feel like returning the one you just bought, here's the link
http://www.gouletpens.com/Packages_s/35.htm
have you tried jet pens? Jetpen has free shipping on orders over $25
And you really don't need the notebook.. because you're a fountain pen starter.. The notebook is only necessary when you get awesome.
The glossy thicker printer paper is actually very good.
I just received the Meisterstuck pencil to complete my set :) Just need the leather case now!
well if you feel like returning the one you just bought, here's the link
http://www.gouletpens.com/Packages_s/35.htm
have you tried jet pens? Jetpen has free shipping on orders over $25
And you really don't need the notebook.. because you're a fountain pen starter.. The notebook is only necessary when you get awesome.
The glossy thicker printer paper is actually very good.
well if you feel like returning the one you just bought, here's the link
http://www.gouletpens.com/Packages_s/35.htm
have you tried jet pens? Jetpen has free shipping on orders over $25
And you really don't need the notebook.. because you're a fountain pen starter.. The notebook is only necessary when you get awesome.
The glossy thicker printer paper is actually very good.
i think it'll all be around the same price. as i believe jetpens is from cali so i'd have to pay taxes.
Awww yeah.I just received the Meisterstuck pencil to complete my set :) Just need the leather case now!
yea dude, whenever you complete sets, you get the extra +boost points to your handwriting and M0ar vitality
sent you a pm i love mine and use it all the time its my main pen.what one did you get?I <3 my high tec c's in my pen type a. Also have another pen body for hi tec c but i forgot the name i believe its made by karas kustoms.
Yea, I saw all these really nice looking hightec C pen holders on Kick starter.. However, after getting one, I realized that part of what I love about the Hi-tec C is how "Light" it was.
Now that I attached a heavy steel tube to it, it looks AWESOME, and a possibly handy in combat... But,, the magic behind the pen is lessened by the weight... It made a great gift for a heavy pen lover friend of mine though. :D
I am now looking for an Aluminum tube/holder perhaps, but, I've yet to see one come up..
Perhaps the tube wouldn't be very durable because it can't quite be that thick.
Dream would be a "resin" holder.
the one on jetpens ;D, where else.. pentypeA
But yea, I think alot of people who also bought it are deluding themselves as to the "usefulness" of the holder.
First off, it's HEAVY, so you would NEVER want to carry this thing around...
it's quite slippery, because the steel is very smooth... poor grip unless you have sweaty hands, which I lack :'(
Hi tec C is quite a "thin" tip "usually", which means the pen will be somewhat scratchy no matter what. now with the plastic regular barrel this isn't a problem because you hand only has to overcome the weight of the scratchiness...
Now, with the heavy barrel, you have to overcome the momentum which results from the scratchiness x10...
It's a well machined piece of decoration at best...
This is just my opinion...
Jet pens is the only way to go.agreed
Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Um.... jetpens is "cheaper" assuming no tax, nuff said.
doesn't change the fact that you can read any review you like..
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Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Um.... jetpens is "cheaper" assuming no tax, nuff said.
doesn't change the fact that you can read any review you like..
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They both look like good sites and they both carry some different brands.
It's cheaper for some things, sure. But, so's Goulet Pens. Case in point, the Lamy Safari is $26 on JP, $28 on GP. The Pilot Custom Heritage 92 is $247.50 on JP, $220 on GP. I checked a couple other things, and from looking at them, GP will save you a couple bucks on more expensive pens, and Jetpens will save you some on cheaper pens. But cost is hardly the only qualifying factor for what makes a company worth buying from. Goulet Pens has a much easier to browse website, at least in my opinion, so it's easier for me to find specific things. They also sell ink samples, which is just awesome. They have utilities for comparing nib sizes, ink colors, pen sizes, and all sorts of stuff. I've bought from both companies, and have actually spent more at Jetpens, because I used it for ballpoint purchases prior to becoming a fountain pen user. I just prefer Goulet Pens. They care a lot about their customers and the fountain pen community. It also has the benefit of being in a state that I am never in, and thus, do not have to pay tax.Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Um.... jetpens is "cheaper" assuming no tax, nuff said.
doesn't change the fact that you can read any review you like..
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They both look like good sites and they both carry some different brands.
I was merely pointing out that Quarzac was being a Fanboi for Goulet Pens, when Jetpens is clearly cheaper...
It's cheaper for some things, sure. But, so's Goulet Pens. Case in point, the Lamy Safari is $26 on JP, $28 on GP. The Pilot Custom Heritage 92 is $247.50 on JP, $220 on GP. I checked a couple other things, and from looking at them, GP will save you a couple bucks on more expensive pens, and Jetpens will save you some on cheaper pens. But cost is hardly the only qualifying factor for what makes a company worth buying from. Goulet Pens has a much easier to browse website, at least in my opinion, so it's easier for me to find specific things. They also sell ink samples, which is just awesome. They have utilities for comparing nib sizes, ink colors, pen sizes, and all sorts of stuff. I've bought from both companies, and have actually spent more at Jetpens, because I used it for ballpoint purchases prior to becoming a fountain pen user. I just prefer Goulet Pens. They care a lot about their customers and the fountain pen community. It also has the benefit of being in a state that I am never in, and thus, do not have to pay tax.Jet pens is the only way to go.You clearly are not familiar with Goulet Pens, who are the best pen, ink, and notebook retailers out there. They do reviews of most of the products that they get, so customers almost always have some basis to go on, have podcasts and videos to educate people about fountain pens and fine paper/ink, and include a lollipop in every order. I also got a short handwritten thank you with my last order. Great people.
Um.... jetpens is "cheaper" assuming no tax, nuff said.
doesn't change the fact that you can read any review you like..
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They both look like good sites and they both carry some different brands.
I was merely pointing out that Quarzac was being a Fanboi for Goulet Pens, when Jetpens is clearly cheaper...
Got my lamy but having some flowing issues with it :(
Got my lamy but having some flowing issues with it :(
Which ink, did you make sure that you tap out the air bubbles in the tube. because that often happens when drawing from lamy converters.
are you using the italic nib.?
Got my lamy but having some flowing issues with it :(
Which ink, did you make sure that you tap out the air bubbles in the tube. because that often happens when drawing from lamy converters.
are you using the italic nib.?
using the stock cartridge. I did tap the pen but still no luck. Ordered some EEL Black ink from noodlers today.
Cellphone picture doesn't do it justice, but he's my MB George Bernard Shaw LE:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eMuVP.jpg)
Nice pen :D, now lets see some $400 writing sample.
Nice pen :D, now lets see some $400 writing sample.
Hehe I've used it so much that I had to order a new set of refills :D
It is very heavy though... but worth the cramps!
I thought these pens were usually used unposted.. is it still heavy unposted?
O.o how much was that one. seems very much betters than the pen-type a holder... ah... regret.. you make me feels it.
cheapest is 60, most expensive is around 140ish
http://ti2design.blogspot.com/
O.o how much was that one. seems very much betters than the pen-type a holder... ah... regret.. you make me feels it.cheapest is 60, most expensive is around 140ish
http://ti2design.blogspot.com/
yea mines not up there but its the one up from the all black with polished tip and clip and i added on the box
here is a more color accurate picShow Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine-DSLR/IMG_2175_zpsf78e53bd.jpg)
I picked this one as it should match my Rotring 800 nicely
yep thats a sopldapultO.o how much was that one. seems very much betters than the pen-type a holder... ah... regret.. you make me feels it.cheapest is 60, most expensive is around 140ish
http://ti2design.blogspot.com/
yea mines not up there but its the one up from the all black with polished tip and clip and i added on the box
here is a more color accurate picShow Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine-DSLR/IMG_2175_zpsf78e53bd.jpg)
I picked this one as it should match my Rotring 800 nicely
that a solder sucker in da back?
my current EDC for collegei use Ain STEIN lead as well but HB HardShow Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8353444836_ea3cda844c_z.jpg)
my current EDC for collegei use Ain STEIN lead as well but HB HardShow Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8353444836_ea3cda844c_z.jpg)
Why not?!Been using my fountain pens for the last 3 months or so. I enjoy writing with them a lot more. I will probably use a pencil the next time I have to do measurements or something, but for now I'm sticking to my pens.
Going to order a lamy vista fountain pen and lamy vista rollerball pen this week.
On the side not, The ink I order came in. After cleaning the pen and filling up the converter I still get some flowing issues. I'm thinking my Lamy is a dud. -_-
Going to order a lamy vista fountain pen and lamy vista rollerball pen this week.
On the side not, The ink I order came in. After cleaning the pen and filling up the converter I still get some flowing issues. I'm thinking my Lamy is a dud. -_-
Going to order a lamy vista fountain pen and lamy vista rollerball pen this week.
On the side not, The ink I order came in. After cleaning the pen and filling up the converter I still get some flowing issues. I'm thinking my Lamy is a dud. -_-
why would you order the same pen?
vista is just a clear safari.
add some variety!
twsbi is suppose to be coming out with a 580 at the end of the month
anybody own this?
http://www.bigidesign.com/welcome/phx-pen-2/
thinking of getting it. cheaper than the pen type a and the Ti2
I am currently saving up for this:Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ov5tKbeoxvs/TUKP-hhmQLI/AAAAAAAADxc/5iQ7f8IfdKQ/s1600/DemoM1005.jpg)
So I read through some of the thread... and I still have a question...
What is the equivalent to a Quickfire Rapid in the fountain pen world? Best bang for buck to start out?
So I read through some of the thread... and I still have a question...
What is the equivalent to a Quickfire Rapid in the fountain pen world? Best bang for buck to start out?
Probably the Lamy Safari.
So I read through some of the thread... and I still have a question...
What is the equivalent to a Quickfire Rapid in the fountain pen world? Best bang for buck to start out?
Probably the Lamy Safari.
Sweet. Thanks. I can afford a $28 trial.
I am currently saving up for this:Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ov5tKbeoxvs/TUKP-hhmQLI/AAAAAAAADxc/5iQ7f8IfdKQ/s1600/DemoM1005.jpg)
Are you in the position where luxury pens would do you any good? By that I mean, use on a daily basis as a symbol of "wealthy-status".
Because as far as performance... LOL $800, you might as well take a calligraphy class with that, and have way more impressive returns...
I am currently saving up for this:Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ov5tKbeoxvs/TUKP-hhmQLI/AAAAAAAADxc/5iQ7f8IfdKQ/s1600/DemoM1005.jpg)
Are you in the position where luxury pens would do you any good? By that I mean, use on a daily basis as a symbol of "wealthy-status".
Because as far as performance... LOL $800, you might as well take a calligraphy class with that, and have way more impressive returns...
LOLOLOLOL OMFG OLOLOLOLOLOLOL TROLOLOLOLOL.
I like biro's :( But i usually lose then and and up with those yellow and black pencil's :(
During the height of the space race in the 1960s, legend has it, NASA scientists realized that pens could not function in space. They needed to figure out another way for the astronauts to write things down. So they spent years and millions of taxpayer dollars to develop a pen that could put ink to paper without gravity. But their crafty Soviet counterparts, so the story goes, simply handed their cosmonauts pencils.
This has probably already been posted here somewhere but too lazy to search so I shall leave it here;QuoteDuring the height of the space race in the 1960s, legend has it, NASA scientists realized that pens could not function in space. They needed to figure out another way for the astronauts to write things down. So they spent years and millions of taxpayer dollars to develop a pen that could put ink to paper without gravity. But their crafty Soviet counterparts, so the story goes, simply handed their cosmonauts pencils.
I am currently saving up for this:Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ov5tKbeoxvs/TUKP-hhmQLI/AAAAAAAADxc/5iQ7f8IfdKQ/s1600/DemoM1005.jpg)
Are you in the position where luxury pens would do you any good? By that I mean, use on a daily basis as a symbol of "wealthy-status".
Because as far as performance... LOL $800, you might as well take a calligraphy class with that, and have way more impressive returns...
LOLOLOLOL OMFG OLOLOLOLOLOLOL TROLOLOLOLOL.
ah.. lets see your handwriting... then we can decide where $800 would be better spent
I am currently saving up for this:Show Image(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ov5tKbeoxvs/TUKP-hhmQLI/AAAAAAAADxc/5iQ7f8IfdKQ/s1600/DemoM1005.jpg)
Are you in the position where luxury pens would do you any good? By that I mean, use on a daily basis as a symbol of "wealthy-status".
Because as far as performance... LOL $800, you might as well take a calligraphy class with that, and have way more impressive returns...
LOLOLOLOL OMFG OLOLOLOLOLOLOL TROLOLOLOLOL.
ah.. lets see your handwriting... then we can decide where $800 would be better spent
Or you could stop making this forum no fun. Who are you to say where my money would be best spent?
shut up and tell me why my lamy is big and gay (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34504.msg805295#msg805295)
so I picked up a Lamy Safari with a fine nib, as well as one of these nice little Clairefontaine 1951 journal-things. is it normal for the nib on the pen to be scratchy as hell and for the line to break pretty regularly while writing? is there a break-in period, or am i doing it wrong? I've tried holding the pen a number of ways, but the line will invariably break at some point while i'm writing and the ink won't flow from the nib, which is insanely distracting. i ordered a 1.5 calligraphy nib and some noodler's x-feather black which i'll be picking up from gouletpens later today (seems that they're in town, nice.)
using the ink cartridge that came with the pen at the moment, also.
so I picked up a Lamy Safari with a fine nib, as well as one of these nice little Clairefontaine 1951 journal-things. is it normal for the nib on the pen to be scratchy as hell and for the line to break pretty regularly while writing? is there a break-in period, or am i doing it wrong? I've tried holding the pen a number of ways, but the line will invariably break at some point while i'm writing and the ink won't flow from the nib, which is insanely distracting. i ordered a 1.5 calligraphy nib and some noodler's x-feather black which i'll be picking up from gouletpens later today (seems that they're in town, nice.)
using the ink cartridge that came with the pen at the moment, also.
Do you keep the nib at the same angle to the paper whilst writing or do you "roll" it around?
Any one here familiar with Parker mechanical pencils?
I have one that's about 30-50 years old (not sure??), and I went to reload the lead, and can't get it to feed through.
It takes the lead all the way in, but it isn't coming out of the end. The pencil makes an audible click and then the lead gets ejected out
Excuse my ignorance on pencil terminology :-\
Demonstrators are fun. Post a review when you get it?I will man, it's going to look sick with some of my inks in it!
I think it is time for a new pen...
I'm not sure on how old it is, I actually found it (as well as an old Cross Century ballpoint) while cleaning out a friend's apartment a few months back.Any one here familiar with Parker mechanical pencils?
I have one that's about 30-50 years old (not sure??), and I went to reload the lead, and can't get it to feed through.
It takes the lead all the way in, but it isn't coming out of the end. The pencil makes an audible click and then the lead gets ejected out
Excuse my ignorance on pencil terminology :-\
is this a keepsake? it's probably because the little metal slider that holds the lead pinching mechanism is stuck, assuming this thing is old.
so I picked up a Lamy Safari with a fine nib, as well as one of these nice little Clairefontaine 1951 journal-things. is it normal for the nib on the pen to be scratchy as hell and for the line to break pretty regularly while writing? is there a break-in period, or am i doing it wrong? I've tried holding the pen a number of ways, but the line will invariably break at some point while i'm writing and the ink won't flow from the nib, which is insanely distracting. i ordered a 1.5 calligraphy nib and some noodler's x-feather black which i'll be picking up from gouletpens later today (seems that they're in town, nice.)
using the ink cartridge that came with the pen at the moment, also.
Do you keep the nib at the same angle to the paper whilst writing or do you "roll" it around?
yup.. you have to keep the nib flat against the paper.. You can't write at any angle like a "normal pen"
This is usually where "improve your hand writing" comes in.. because a fountain pen prevents finger-writing to a degree, so you automatically get "smoother curves + 5"
I picked up the 1.5 calligraphy nib for the Lamy Safari, some Noodler's black x-feather. Things are looking 999x better now, I think the fine nib may have just been too small.so I picked up a Lamy Safari with a fine nib, as well as one of these nice little Clairefontaine 1951 journal-things. is it normal for the nib on the pen to be scratchy as hell and for the line to break pretty regularly while writing? is there a break-in period, or am i doing it wrong? I've tried holding the pen a number of ways, but the line will invariably break at some point while i'm writing and the ink won't flow from the nib, which is insanely distracting. i ordered a 1.5 calligraphy nib and some noodler's x-feather black which i'll be picking up from gouletpens later today (seems that they're in town, nice.)
using the ink cartridge that came with the pen at the moment, also.
Do you keep the nib at the same angle to the paper whilst writing or do you "roll" it around?
yup.. you have to keep the nib flat against the paper.. You can't write at any angle like a "normal pen"
This is usually where "improve your hand writing" comes in.. because a fountain pen prevents finger-writing to a degree, so you automatically get "smoother curves + 5"
This should be arriving today!Show Image(http://www.twsbi.com/img/p/46-163-thickbox.jpg)
This should be arriving today!Show Image(http://www.twsbi.com/img/p/46-163-thickbox.jpg)
please write a 500 word short story with your incredible pen and penmanship and share with us
Very impressive squiggles. :D
Money well spent ;D
Very impressive squiggles. :D
Money well spent ;D
Your lack of self confidence in real life shines through on the Internet in all of your posts.
lol cool yellow ink, can I get yellow ink pens cheap?
lol cool yellow ink, can I get yellow ink pens cheap?
It is Pelican highlighter ink, I will link you when I get home :)
pelikan m400 white honey tortoise
i got this piece of junk in the mail today (pictures from seller, i'll take some eventually)
oh p.s. i done been had mad *****es 'n' sh' complimentin' me on my handwritins since i got that lamy safari with that 1.5 calligraphy nib dawgs so ya'll best be hustlin' up some fountain pens if you wanna be true boss playas now
ain't totin' those keyboards to the supermarket with you
pelikan m400 white honey tortoise
i got this piece of junk in the mail today (pictures from seller, i'll take some eventually)
oh p.s. i done been had mad *****es 'n' sh' complimentin' me on my handwritins since i got that lamy safari with that 1.5 calligraphy nib dawgs so ya'll best be hustlin' up some fountain pens if you wanna be true boss playas now
ain't totin' those keyboards to the supermarket with you
Let's see this epic improvement in photo :D
pelikan m400 white honey tortoise
i got this piece of junk in the mail today (pictures from seller, i'll take some eventually)
oh p.s. i done been had mad *****es 'n' sh' complimentin' me on my handwritins since i got that lamy safari with that 1.5 calligraphy nib dawgs so ya'll best be hustlin' up some fountain pens if you wanna be true boss playas now
ain't totin' those keyboards to the supermarket with you
Let's see this epic improvement in photo :D
i'm not even suggesting an improvement really, people just go insane when i scribble something because apparently no one can even conceive of such otherwordly utensils and CLEARLY I AM SOME KIND OF DEMON RISEN UP FROM THE ETHER NAKK DARR'OSH SKIT POP SKIATU ANDOROSH NIKTO D'NEA RIANOV
Iiiiiiiinkkk.Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8509/8598296196_a76af468e0_h.jpg)
Fountain Pen Network might be able to give you an accurate estimate. I would watch ebay.de myself.
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
:D, you're not practicing enuff'... the more watery the ink, the faster you need to write..
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
:D, you're not practicing enuff'... the more watery the ink, the faster you need to write..
i'm sorry, but writing has nothing to do with opening the cap of the pen and having ink splashed all inside of it because the ink is too watery.
silly you thinking you get to determine the context instead of reality.
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
:D, you're not practicing enuff'... the more watery the ink, the faster you need to write..
i'm sorry, but writing has nothing to do with opening the cap of the pen and having ink splashed all inside of it because the ink is too watery.
silly you thinking you get to determine the context instead of reality.
ah.. no bro.. that's a defective pen. and or you've laid it verticle instead of sideways. LOL
Noob mistake... i understand... :D
Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
:D, you're not practicing enuff'... the more watery the ink, the faster you need to write..
i'm sorry, but writing has nothing to do with opening the cap of the pen and having ink splashed all inside of it because the ink is too watery.
silly you thinking you get to determine the context instead of reality.
ah.. no bro.. that's a defective pen. and or you've laid it verticle instead of sideways. LOL
Noob mistake... i understand... :D
1. only really happens with that ink
2. i actually leave my house
For those GH fellows with a writing twist, I would appreciate if you could tell me how much this set could be worth. Authentic Montblanc MeisterStuck Pencil and Fountain Pen Set in box with some original paperwork. They have serial numbers engraved in the top collar and the legend Made in Germany, I bought them new with a Montblanc authorized distributor many years ago, but I do not use them much anymore, I use much more my Poker :D
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Some of them are too expensive to be sending out samples!
i dunno, man. a bottle of ink lasts a long time, really, and a sample need not be but a minuscule amount. you droppin' $10,000 grand a bottle or something?
are the montblanc inks really better, or is it more about the name? trying to figure something worthwhile to feed this pelikan, diamine red dragon looked amazing but is too damn watery / messy in that pen. ;(
:D, you're not practicing enuff'... the more watery the ink, the faster you need to write..
i'm sorry, but writing has nothing to do with opening the cap of the pen and having ink splashed all inside of it because the ink is too watery.
silly you thinking you get to determine the context instead of reality.
ah.. no bro.. that's a defective pen. and or you've laid it verticle instead of sideways. LOL
Noob mistake... i understand... :D
1. only really happens with that ink
2. i actually leave my house
? blame the tools for your own ineptitude.. that is common of people who leave their houses for no reason and think that the act some how makes them kool... :D
I am selling this set:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41710.msg840395#msg840395 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41710.msg840395#msg840395)For those GH fellows with a writing twist, I would appreciate if you could tell me how much this set could be worth. Authentic Montblanc MeisterStuck Pencil and Fountain Pen Set in box with some original paperwork. They have serial numbers engraved in the top collar and the legend Made in Germany, I bought them new with a Montblanc authorized distributor many years ago, but I do not use them much anymore, I use much more my Poker :D
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Looking for a new, cheap fountain pen.. I have a Cross but I really dislike the medium nib. Looking for fine/extra fine
I'm thinking Lamy Safari but I also really like the look of the Kaweco Classic
Love that ink
Here is the pen:
http://www.nibs.com/Nakaya-Naka-ai-Cigar-Tame-Sukashi-Cat.htm (http://www.nibs.com/Nakaya-Naka-ai-Cigar-Tame-Sukashi-Cat.htm)
For some reason these particular words were offensive to me. Like..too pompous and entitled or something. I would have much preferred stuff like "Pretzel", "Hangover", "Rebar", "Frog", "Full tang construction".I got a bit of the same, but offensive is a bit too strong I feel. The choice of words certainly felt... Pompous and a bit forced, like "look at how intellectual and deep I am" forced.
I want ;<
http://imgur.com/gallery/oN0IvxP
I want ;<Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oN0IvxP.jpg)
http://imgur.com/gallery/oN0IvxP
I want ;<Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oN0IvxP.jpg)
http://imgur.com/gallery/oN0IvxP
Right. Let me get my super microscope and collide a few hadrons. :P
So I always liked Uniballs and Pilot pens but I want to make the jump to a fountain pen. But I'd like to start in the shallow end and buy an affordable one before I get something like tsangan or longweight. Can anyone recommend me an affordably price fountain pen?
So I always liked Uniballs and Pilot pens but I want to make the jump to a fountain pen. But I'd like to start in the shallow end and buy an affordable one before I get something like tsangan or longweight. Can anyone recommend me an affordably price fountain pen?
I'm bringing this quote and this thread back from the graveyard. I finally got a Lamy Safari, matte black, with medium nib. And I'm currently using the blue ink cartridge that comes with the pen.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ou8Vi0P.jpg)
i have that safari in a medium nib.
absolutely hate it. awkward to hold and the nib is scratchy as hell. i went in knowing the finger placement wasnt for everybody but i didnt think i'd hate it that much.
i like my twsbi mini more, but that's in fine so not really a comparison.
Although it's probably for the best, since it's a lot harder to control impulse purchases
i have that safari in a medium nib.
absolutely hate it. awkward to hold and the nib is scratchy as hell. i went in knowing the finger placement wasnt for everybody but i didnt think i'd hate it that much.
i like my twsbi mini more, but that's in fine so not really a comparison.
Hm, i never really noticed that but maybe that's why I'm new at pens too. We'll see how it goes. I know the Cross rollerball I got as a gift is really nice, but I don't like the ink as much. Although this new Fisher Space Pen is pretty nifty.
That twsbi mini is pretty cool. I like how its clear/see through like that. Does the nib feel smoother?Although it's probably for the best, since it's a lot harder to control impulse purchases
Yeah....exactly. I gotta be careful with going to this place lol.
WINDOWS IS THE WRITE OPERATING SYSTEM FOR ALL YOUR COMPUTING NEEDS!
I'm necroing this thread. I like it better than the favorite pens/pencils thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32027.390). Come at me bro :P
I picked up a Lamy Safari Vista aka the Safari Demonstrator with a Fine nib while on vacation. I really like the fine nib, plus the clear body with the refillable insert looks really cool.
I think for the time being, I'm set on pens and pencils. Right now I'm rocking:
- Charcoal Lamy Safari with a medium nib
- Lamy Safari Vista Demonstrator with a fine nib
- Pentel GraphGear 500, .5mm
- Rotring 600, silver, .7mm
- Rotring 600, black, .5mm
Kind of tempted by the Rotring 800 massdrop but....$40ish is a bit too much for a pencil in my opinion. $30 max is my comfort zone right now.
For me writing has become too time consuming versus the keyboarddid you just not use three periods between every word and 6 return spaces between each point?
For me writing has become too time consuming versus the keyboarddid you just not use three periods between every word and 6 return spaces between each point?
*clap* you're getting better
how about the penis resemblance ;D
the pilot vp is a little heavy and slick, but nice to use when hitting the road especially and wanting to use a fp. 51's, 21's, 41's, 61's, etc. are all hooded and are just a little bit of a different beast--- i like them. depending on the nib many will write just like a bp.
pelikan p1's have hooded nibs and are pretty sweet as well. the chinese hero 51, 21 knock-offs for the money are not bad either-- albeit a steel nib.
the af 51's, 21's are fairly bullet proof as are the parker 45's to where you can fill them with almost anything and they will keep on going.
unless when buying a 51 vac filler-- buyer beware as they typically need to be refurbished (unless noted otherwise). the aeromatic filler 51's (if you are going for a 51) are a safer bet. not all 51's have gold nibs either-- the specials had steel nibs, but are still pretty decent. as long as the iridium is still intact you should be good to go. Worse case you might just need to smooth if a little scratchy.
i got dozens.........
the pilot vp is a little heavy and slick, but nice to use when hitting the road especially and wanting to use a fp. 51's, 21's, 41's, 61's, etc. are all hooded and are just a little bit of a different beast--- i like them. depending on the nib many will write just like a bp.
pelikan p1's have hooded nibs and are pretty sweet as well. the chinese hero 51, 21 knock-offs for the money are not bad either-- albeit a steel nib.
the af 51's, 21's are fairly bullet proof as are the parker 45's to where you can fill them with almost anything and they will keep on going.
unless when buying a 51 vac filler-- buyer beware as they typically need to be refurbished (unless noted otherwise). the aeromatic filler 51's (if you are going for a 51) are a safer bet. not all 51's have gold nibs either-- the specials had steel nibs, but are still pretty decent. as long as the iridium is still intact you should be good to go. Worse case you might just need to smooth if a little scratchy.
i got dozens.........
Does the 51 work better with that original -special acidic ink- or was that only for a limited run of -special 51s-
Any recommendations for a notebook? Primarily I am looking for grid paper and hardbound, size is secondary. So far I have tried moleskine (junk paper) and Vela (ok to decent paper). Always looking to to try out new notebooks.
And my fountain pens:
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Thanks, I was eyeing a Leuchtturm notebook (I don't think I spoted grid option in Webnotebook or habana...I should recheck though).Any recommendations for a notebook? Primarily I am looking for grid paper and hardbound, size is secondary. So far I have tried moleskine (junk paper) and Vela (ok to decent paper). Always looking to to try out new notebooks.
And my fountain pens:
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I love Rhodia paper so check out Rhodia Webnotebooks. And Quo Vadis as well. I've never tried them but people seem to love Leuchtturm1917 notebooks. They're often said to be Moleskins with nice, fountain friendly paper.
What's the center pen?