Let's please try and be mature.
But what is the general consensus on making caps by just copying someone else's design?
We have quite a few artisans around, is it really necessary to be original anymore?
Really? Copycaps? Because the people that made the caps being copied owned the designs they were producing?
Hasbro owns the rights to Transformers and Disney owns the rights to Star Wars.
How about HE make some new designs himself? I don't know that your argument holds any water here. These are not companies or people who are making tons of profit off of these caps. The steep prices are solely aftermarket. These people sell these caps they create for reasonable prices. So ****ing with their designs is disrespectful.In Pac's thread there were people complaining that this would undermine the aftermarket viability of the 'original' artisan caps. Like somehow having replicas, or similar designs would cause the inflated aftermarket demand to drop. That's what I was responding to.
How about HE make some new designs himself? I don't know that your argument holds any water here. These are not companies or people who are making tons of profit off of these caps. The steep prices are solely aftermarket. These people sell these caps they create for reasonable prices. So ****ing with their designs is disrespectful.
On J's topic, that's why I never mentioned anything about that cap in particular. Even CC has made a Vader cap. And then girlDC made another after that, though a different design. I really don't know what to say in that regard. But even if those designs are stolen, there's a difference between making a design of your own and directly copying something done by another.
I think it sucks. I don't give a **** who owns the original copyright because they're not making caps. What pisses me off is that he's potentially taking money from GH members by using their tried and tested designs instead of coming up with something original.
I think it sucks. I don't give a **** who owns the original copyright because they're not making caps. What pisses me off is that he's potentially taking money from GH members by using their tried and tested designs instead of coming up with something original.
Isn't that the nature of competition? Isn't that how innovation happens and new designs are made?
I think it sucks. I don't give a **** who owns the original copyright because they're not making caps. What pisses me off is that he's potentially taking money from GH members by using their tried and tested designs instead of coming up with something original.
Isn't that the nature of competition? Isn't that how innovation happens and new designs are made?
Not when they're copied... That's the whole point of this thread.
I think it sucks. I don't give a **** who owns the original copyright because they're not making caps. What pisses me off is that he's potentially taking money from GH members by using their tried and tested designs instead of coming up with something original.
Isn't that the nature of competition? Isn't that how innovation happens and new designs are made?
Not when they're copied... That's the whole point of this thread.
I see. I guess I just don't see how mixing two colors into a keycap or using a stormtrooper is so innovative that anything similar to it should be dubbed as a "copy"
Like honestly, how does this (Pac's design):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ARDePD.png)
Look anything like this?:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IDV3pzJ.png)
They are both based off of stormtroopers. That is the only similarity. How is that a copy?
I thought it was interesting to see these "Candy Corn" Stormtrooper caps. Quite a unique color scheme, yet no one seems to mind about that. I realize that it's not the same as an entire design, but there are definitely some similarities between these two cases - the reaction from the community is drastically different.Show Image(http://i40.tinypic.com/azc6z8.jpg)
So it's ok to experiment if you have the right name. What an embarrassment.
Tell him not to do it privately, posting memes and riling up a crowd is just such a big man way of showing that highschool kid he overstepped his bounds.
I'm not even a fan of the kid but he had no chance from the start. People wanted an excuse for blood and everyone jumped at the first chance.
Another thing that crossed my mind - just because nubbinator was the first to take some sort of proprietary action figure/lego and put it on a keycap, he now owns that design and any others using a slightly different proprietary action figure/lego are copying him?
I feel they are alright as long as they are not being marketed as the originals.
I feel they are alright as long as they are not being marketed as the originals.
basically this
I thought it was interesting to see these "Candy Corn" Stormtrooper caps. Quite a unique color scheme, yet no one seems to mind about that. I realize that it's not the same as an entire design, but there are definitely some similarities between these two cases - the reaction from the community is drastically different.Show Image(http://i40.tinypic.com/azc6z8.jpg)
I thought it was interesting to see these "Candy Corn" Stormtrooper caps. Quite a unique color scheme, yet no one seems to mind about that. I realize that it's not the same as an entire design, but there are definitely some similarities between these two cases - the reaction from the community is drastically different.Show Image(http://i40.tinypic.com/azc6z8.jpg)
MoreFor me, making an exact duplicate of someone else's work is not really artistic at all. As for the Orangesicle color scheme being exclusive to CC, I don't think so. If someone were to use that color scheme and a skull design, or an exact replica of a clack skull, then, yeah -- that's not only non-artistic, it's infringement. Colors can be copyrighted -- such as Coca-Cola red. If you tried using that color on a baseball hat, you'd probably be fine -- but use it in any way with a carbonated beverage and you're probably going to sued by Coca-Cola's battalion of lawyers. If said person made their own skull, and changed the colors of cream and orange a little, is it still infringement? Yeah, to some degree. But does CC have a brand to be harmed? Is he going to lose sales of his original work? Doubtful.
I used to work for a company that did trademark research. They would give me a proposed name for a new product and I would search existing known databases to find out if there were any other existing products that could be construed as (the legal definition) "confusingly similar" -- would a purchaser unwittingly buy the other product by accident?
So, if given a search for a new product called 'Pipsi' that would be a carbonated drink, I could tell the client there was a 'Pepsi' of the same product type that would likely sue their asses off. The idea is that a drink called 'Pipsi' would be siphoning off the marketing juice of 'Pepsi' and that would be causing them financial harm.
But, since all our artists are selfless altruists, this is not about the money -- it's about their art.
Ok, that's fine -- but it does make me laugh that we're wringing our hands over the copying of a copy of a copyrighted intellectual property! For me, it depends on the specificity of the artistic work. For example: Binge made a bear cap. Does that mean someone else could never make a bear-themed cap? I don't think so. If it's a duplicate of his work, that's wrong. If it's a different interpretation of a bear head (perhaps a Yogi the Bear head?) then I think that would be acceptable. Similarly, CC doesn't own the skull theme, but does own his specific interpretation of it.
But I gotta say, it feels a little hypocritical to claim that they're not in it for the money, but then when someone takes their "theme" and could potentially make some money, there's hell to pay. If someone takes another artist's design nearly en toto, then it's infringement, and morally wrong and those people should die alone, 40 pounds overweight, secure in the knowledge that no one ever loved them. But artists don't (and shouldn't) own entire theme material.
But artists don't (and shouldn't) own entire theme material.
But artists don't (and shouldn't) own entire theme material.
No argument here and kudos. My entire beef is with the blatant copying of any artistic representation. This includes toys as they were designed by a toy artist. If someone makes a better depiction of something I've done which is just a theme, then more power to them. If they want me to be the BEAR MASTER... heck I don't mind that either.
But artists don't (and shouldn't) own entire theme material.
No argument here and kudos. My entire beef is with the blatant copying of any artistic representation. This includes toys as they were designed by a toy artist. If someone makes a better depiction of something I've done which is just a theme, then more power to them. If they want me to be the BEAR MASTER... heck I don't mind that either.
I believe you are the moose master for sure. ;)
So its okay to steal copyrighted ideas and use them on keycaps as long as you are the first to do it? :confused:
So
Click clack (Vader)
Bro Caps (V1, Skeletor)
Nubbinator (Clone Trooper)
IMSTO (Hellboy, Attack on Titan)
girlDC (Vader, Trooper, Marine)
Piraterice (Hulk, Heisenberg)
Cherpalla (Mario Star)
RaVNzCRoFT (3D prints)
Just to name a few
Are all in the clear?
The whole reason why I started making these caps was because there was a dearth of caps in which you could pick the specific color you want and get it. The only thing close are hypnocaps. In addition, there is a dearth of affordable resin caps that you can just order whenever you want and not worry about ordering in the first millisecond or get hand picked. All the handmade resin caps, if not sold out in the first second, sell out by the end of the hour at the very worst. Even if you look at the metal caps and say those take a while to hit MOQ, those caps cost way more than resin and take way more time to produce. And even with feng's resin buy, there was a big selection but permutations of colors were already preset.
Onto the comparison between my trooper cap and nubbinator's: While they are quite similar, BOTH caps feature aspects of caps previously made (there are a lot of aspects of all caps that make them look very good and that many cap makers, after putting lots of time into caps, realize). And while nubbinator's cap did have some influence on my cap, I also gained a lot of influence looking at gas masks, bro bots, and binge caps, to name a few. And going into fine detail, my cap is not the exact same as nubbinator's. While they both are from star wars and feature a trooper head on top of a keycap, the similarities end there. First, I used a stormtrooper, while nubbinator used a different trooper. In addition, like nubbinator himself said, the angle of the trooper heads are different. While yes, nubbinator's cap influenced me, so did pretty much every single other cap ever made.
So what happens? I try to offer a service that is unique--the chance to buy a resin cap in the specific color you want--and I get shot down for doing something that apparently is bad, yet 1. People have been doing similar things before and 2. just showing a picture of a cap I made while experimenting with different colors and showing it to everybody? Just to let everybody know, I am working on my own original sculptured caps, and these star wars themed caps were mainly to 1. See how more complicated designs need to be molded and 2. Fund a pressure pot so I can make even better caps for everybody.
Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
you guys... it's ****ing plastic
if you care so much then stop pointing fingers and hem-hawwing about mass-production copyright laws that were created by and are designed to favor giant companies.
stop spending so much money on it if you want to curb the stupidity that inevitably cascades upon us once aftermarkets are created
stop pointing fingers at people for doing whatever they ****ing want in their spare time
stop making **** quality caps with no originality or attention to detail and then selling them at profit
stop 'hyping' your doodads and having 'exclusive' sales
"There are no art forms now, just capitalism"
So its okay to steal copyrighted ideas and use them on keycaps as long as you are the first to do it? :confused:
So
Click clack (Vader)
Bro Caps (V1, Skeletor)
Nubbinator (Clone Trooper)
IMSTO (Hellboy, Attack on Titan)
girlDC (Vader, Trooper, Marine)
Piraterice (Hulk, Heisenberg)
Cherpalla (Mario Star)
RaVNzCRoFT (3D prints)
Just to name a few
Are all in the clear?
and these star wars themed caps were mainly to 1. See how more complicated designs need to be molded and 2. Fund a pressure pot so I can make even better caps for everybody.
Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
Holy ****ing ****, **** everybody here trying to make a morality argument that is obviously extremely biased against me for some ****ing reason and hypocritical.
I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend myself from an obviously biased community.
I haven't even sold one of my caps yet for money, and nobody else has even touched them.
I will continue to do my work and sell them, regardless of what everybody thinks. If you don't like what I'm doing, then please **** off and mind your own business. There's always the option to ignore somebody.
To the people who actually want my caps: I will continue to make these for only the people who appreciate the countless hours I have put into cap making and developing my learning of casting.
and these star wars themed caps were mainly to 1. See how more complicated designs need to be molded and 2. Fund a pressure pot so I can make even better caps for everybody.
Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
This is a legit series of questions and not a personal stab at you sir Pac. I simply want to understand.
1. How are you giving back to the community and why are you using those terms instead of say "supplying material demand for personal profit?"
2. Why do you believe it is right to copy trademarked goods to be able to afford a pressure system for making better caps?
3. Why do you believe it is right to produce inferior keys (you admit you do not have the tools like a pressure system) with enough profit margin to afford expensive manufacturing tools?
4. Reflecting on the previous questions and your answers do you believe you are giving back to the community or using the community to afford tools, and if you do believe you are giving back to the community what is the value that geekwhackers, as you call them in other message boards, should expect from you for what you are charging?
Holy ****ing ****, **** everybody here trying to make a morality argument that is obviously extremely biased against me for some ****ing reason and hypocritical.
I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend myself from an obviously biased community.
I haven't even sold one of my caps yet for money, and nobody else has even touched them.
I will continue to do my work and sell them, regardless of what everybody thinks. If you don't like what I'm doing, then please **** off and mind your own business. There's always the option to ignore somebody.
To the people who actually want my caps: I will continue to make these for only the people who appreciate the countless hours I have put into cap making and developing my learning of casting.
Seeing as that explosion happened right after I asked some questions you could have easily answered to satisfied me (a collector of keycaps) I will assume you think I'm a hypocrite and that you've blocked me. Good day sir. I will be in my hut if you want to talk about it.
First, supplying caps is in itself giving back to the community.
you guys... it's ****ing plastic
"There are no art forms now, just capitalism"
Wisdom.
Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
you guys... it's ****ing plastic
I make custom flags for a living, and I've had people say (when they hear my prices for my work): "It's just ****ing fabric!"
True, flags are made of fabric but so are wedding dresses and parachutes. There's labor, there's love in these little chunks of plastic for the artists and hobbyists. I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, sth -- I tire of the butthurtedness, too.Quote from: sth"There are no art forms now, just capitalism"Quote from: QuardahWisdom.
:-X
Pac makes pretty good case about all the artisans (with Binge being the exception) to making keycaps based on intellectual property that they do not own. I don't really buy the argument that at least some of these people (GirlDC as the most prominent example) possess greater skill and/or talent, and so that somehow makes their infringement of other people's property rights some how less? It clearly makes them more artistic, more skilled, no argument there, but it's still not legal.
Some of the people on that list aren't in it for their 'art' -- not that I care, I don't buy into the whole selfless artist stuff. They looked at the market and said, "Hey, anyone want a Hulk keycap?" (People screamed, "Yissss!") and then they made them. Artists (good artists as defined by the market) should produce art and be well-fed and housed for their work and not smell at all like patchouli. But that's not the same as an artist who uses his or her skill to engrave a printing plate so they can print $100 bills. Do I respect that person's skill? Yes. But is what they're doing right? No.
And hey, I'm totally guilty of buying these things! So, pin a Crimson 'H' on my lapel. I have a Space Invaders keycap! I'm a hypocrite and I'm ashamed. (looks at Space Invaders keycap and fights back tears)Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
Toughen up buddy, you're an artist. Just do me a favor and don't strike a messianic pose -- just make good stuff that people want and don't pretend to be an artist if you actually aren't. I (seriously) wouldn't think any less of you. And go ahead and make some money in the process, Pac, I'm all for it.
Also, I speak from some experience at being a failed artist -- well, not really an artist. Is flocking a keycap artistic? The closest I came was mixing two colors of flock to make a new color, so... I mixed two colors and now I'm an artist. LOL! And the keycaps that results started out really, REALLY lacking. It took time for them to improve. There was still no market for them, but I was having fun making them. For me, the thrill was in making something -- anything, really, that was new, even if only in a minor way. If they had sold, and been popular that would have been icing on the cake. My point is that people can be artistic (Krog pushes two fingerpaint colors together and revels in his raw talent) and they can want financial success -- because people express their love for art sometimes with money, and money ain't so bad. As it was, I nearly begged people to try out my stuff, LOL!
Anyway, since GH is to intellectual property rights what the Wild West was to gun safety, let's just all agree to be less butthurt and continue making stuff for all sorts of reasons.
you guys... it's ****ing plastic
I make custom flags for a living, and I've had people say (when they hear my prices for my work): "It's just ****ing fabric!"
True, flags are made of fabric but so are wedding dresses and parachutes. There's labor, there's love in these little chunks of plastic for the artists and hobbyists. I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, sth -- I tire of the butthurtedness, too.Quote from: sth"There are no art forms now, just capitalism"Quote from: QuardahWisdom.
:-X
Pac makes pretty good case about all the artisans (with Binge being the exception) to making keycaps based on intellectual property that they do not own. I don't really buy the argument that at least some of these people (GirlDC as the most prominent example) possess greater skill and/or talent, and so that somehow makes their infringement of other people's property rights some how less? It clearly makes them more artistic, more skilled, no argument there, but it's still not legal.
Some of the people on that list aren't in it for their 'art' -- not that I care, I don't buy into the whole selfless artist stuff. They looked at the market and said, "Hey, anyone want a Hulk keycap?" (People screamed, "Yissss!") and then they made them. Artists (good artists as defined by the market) should produce art and be well-fed and housed for their work and not smell at all like patchouli. But that's not the same as an artist who uses his or her skill to engrave a printing plate so they can counterfeit $100 bills. Do I respect that person's skill? Yes. But is what they're doing right? No, not really. And the fact that they're doing it to a big corporation instead of an individual, to me, is irrelevant.
And hey, I'm totally guilty of buying these things! So, pin a Crimson 'H' on my lapel. I have a Space Invaders keycap! I'm a hypocrite and I'm ashamed. (looks at Space Invaders keycap and fights back tears) Ok, I'm a little bit ashamed -- enough to not pretend I'm right.Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
Toughen up buddy, you're an artist. Just do me a favor and don't strike a messianic pose -- just make good stuff that people want and don't pretend to be an artist if you actually aren't. I (seriously) wouldn't think any less of you. And go ahead and make some money in the process, Pac, I'm all for it.
Also, I speak from some experience at being a failed artist -- well, not really an artist. Is flocking a keycap artistic? The closest I came was mixing two colors of flock to make a new color, so... I mixed two colors and now I'm an artist. LOL! And the keycaps that results started out really, REALLY lacking. It took time for them to improve. There was still no market for them, but I was having fun making them. For me, the thrill was in making something -- anything, really, that was new, even if only in a minor way. If they had sold, and been popular that would have been icing on the cake. My point is that people can be artistic (Krog pushes two fingerpaint colors together and revels in his raw talent) and they can want financial success -- because people express their love for art sometimes with money, and money ain't so bad. As it was, I nearly begged people to try out my stuff, LOL!
Anyway, since GH is to intellectual property rights what the Wild West was to gun safety, let's just all agree to be less butthurt and continue making stuff for all sorts of reasons.
Since I basically laid down some fire in that thread I feel as if I should say something. There is a HUGE difference between copying and creating a replica based off of original art.
When it comes to casting there is a part of the art which is used to make duplicates. This is the same with printmaking, and this is why artists number their prints in a series. This is to validate the run it was made and differentiate the "copies" from the original.
That being said artists, whom I respect, make their own original to be copied. I find keycap making to be a great way of making something like a print, and I found it morally awkward to make blanks.
Where is the artwork in that? How can I feel right setting a value to that? It was hard. I worked really hard on making colors and trying to be creative with a blank key, and who would know it but I couldn't. Maybe someone would justify some sort of modern-art approach and say certain color combinations in series was artistic. Whatever-- I just couldn't and this is the fussy business of right and wrong. I am imposing my beliefs.
Say Pac makes some blanks.. great! Power to him. Is it for fun? No. Money is involved. Should he be paid for his time? Maybe. Should he be paid for how many materials he's wasted making a functional key? I can't say. Are his blanks worth over $5? God I dunno but I'm sure he wants them to be more than that. We'd all love our labours to be valued.
The blanks I've got nothing but to wish he would make them as high of quality as possible. I'd love to see some creative designs/ideas come out of the money people were throwing/promising to throw at him. That's all good.
When I heard him say he was going to make storm troopers and a vader I kinda got sick, again. Yes I haven't been entirely impressed with anyone's starwars figures except for GirlDC. Why is that?
No toys were used to make GirlDC's key. That is a sculpture. That's just how GirlDC makes keys.
On that note I made a Snorlax the other day, but I sculpted the damn thing.
(http://i.imgur.com/VHagOAh.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/VHagOAh.jpg)
^ That is a replica. It is me making a figure like something that exists with my own process and skills.
Pouring silicone into a box and making a mold to copy something is not an artist's replica, it is a copy.
On that note it is not right to sell a replica or copy as the original, but IMO it's just as bad to sell copies of any object with artistic value without first making an artistic rendering/replica.
I don't believe hacking a head off of a toy is an artistic rendering. I do believe anyone who wants to make a sculpture/drawing of their favorite character is welcome to do so, but use your own skills to do it or pay someone talented to do it for you.
The moment any "artisan" practicing mold making/casting creates a sizable amount of their portfolio out of exact copies of parts of licensed toys is the moment I judge them. It's not immature. That's just the value of it. Treating somebody's figure as if it had no creator by copying it to the nearest .001mm is the moment selling it for profit becomes an infuriating action.
Please do not misunderstand. I've done my fair share of artistic rendering of cartoon characters, living people, still objects, and the like. I've even taken the advice of a professor and traced a line I couldn't quite get right by eye. It doesn't change the fact that it's right for people's art to have worth, and it's right to respect that worth in that it does not belong to everyone. That unique relationship a creator has with a creation gives the creator meaning and it gives the creation value.
On the subject of storm troopys...
http://originalstormtrooper.com/our-story-19-w.asp (http://originalstormtrooper.com/our-story-19-w.asp)
Check out that site. There's a great little bit at the bottom and more elsewhere which repeats in different words what has been said above. The essence is there. An original artistic rendering is really what is valued and any compensation available should be given to the owner of that original artistic rendering. Any copies are just an extension of that original rendering which is why Mr. Lucas was never able to completely claim the stormtrooper as his own without first providing compensation to the artist.
and I found it morally awkward to make blanks.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GdhRz1j.jpg)
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Interesting thread...despite some people getting upset I have enjoyed reading what people have to say and some fair points and interesting questions were raised. Glad this thread was started and that people are able to talk about it.
Just want some clarification from the community.There he is!
1. Its okay for MKC to make these iron mans even though copyrighted by MarvelShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZuuOiv.png)
and
2. Its okay for Keypop to also make an iron man capShow Image(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/132724638/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/IronmanGold1.jpg)
:confused:
Just want some clarification from the community.
1. Its okay for MKC to make these iron mans even though copyrighted by MarvelShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZuuOiv.png)
and
2. Its okay for Keypop to also make an iron man capShow Image(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/132724638/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/IronmanGold1.jpg)
:confused:
Just want some clarification from the community.
1. Its okay for MKC to make these iron mans even though copyrighted by MarvelShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZuuOiv.png)
and
2. Its okay for Keypop to also make an iron man capShow Image(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/132724638/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/IronmanGold1.jpg)
:confused:
I believe it is since they are both artistic interpretations. Though I could very well be wrong. From an ethics stand point I am ok with artistic interpretations. Kind of like the famous painting Starry Night being available as a cross stitch kit. Though when that painting was done there wasn't copyrights.
I look at it like a remix. Take something someone else made, and put some other spin on it. In the 21st century, if we are being really honest 99% of everything that is made is a remix by now. Truly original works are pretty much impossible. Everything is done already. I don't see why people get so butthurt about some of this stuff around here.
Furthermore, the whole concepts of copyright and intellectual property are actually counterproductive to cultural growth. It puts art and science under lock and key for those that are 'special'.
Just want some clarification from the community.
1. Its okay for MKC to make these iron mans even though copyrighted by MarvelShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/1ZuuOiv.png)
and
2. Its okay for Keypop to also make an iron man capShow Image(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/132724638/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/IronmanGold1.jpg)
:confused:
I believe it is since they are both artistic interpretations. Though I could very well be wrong. From an ethics stand point I am ok with artistic interpretations. Kind of like the famous painting Starry Night being available as a cross stitch kit. Though when that painting was done there wasn't copyrights.
So if I make a trooper that had say, stripes down its face, that would be okay?
Using an existing model someone else made as your trooper is not ok.
If YOU were to make a trooper it would be ok.
Using an existing model someone else made as your trooper is not ok.
Then how come nubbinator didn't get any flack but instead praise when he made his trooper cap, which obviously is a lego head stuck to a keycap?
Also, if I were to make out of clay a trooper exactly the same as an existing model, is that okay under yourIf YOU were to make a trooper it would be ok.
statement? Cuz I would be making that myself, 100% handmade (except for the base cap, which everybody uses from existing caps)
This community seriously needs to stop being hypocritical
Exactly. You make the sculpture it is YOUR artistic rendering. Andrew Ainsworth couldn't even tell you to stop if you didn't call it an official Storm Trooper likeness. You are in effect copying your own artistic rendering. This is FINE.
Exactly. You make the sculpture it is YOUR artistic rendering. Andrew Ainsworth couldn't even tell you to stop if you didn't call it an official Storm Trooper likeness. You are in effect copying your own artistic rendering. This is FINE.
Cool, thank you for the justification to handmake remakes of every single popular cap. I won't even need to purchase one to make it, I can just sculpt it myself :p
I just call it keycap with face, and sell them for everybody ;D
On the real though, aren't you in highschool? You should go party, play highschool sports and apply to colleges.
On the real though, aren't you in highschool?Ahhhh, makes so much more sense now. Not even being a smart *** it just is what it is. It shows.
I LOVE remixes!
PS: inb4 "you can't control supply and demand/markets are markets/but econ 101" argument comes from the very same people who tell others the only way to remove power from corporations is to 'vote with your wallet'
So everyone has their panties in a twist because someone who made keycaps used the same source material as inspiration/model as someone else?
Mountain over a mole-hill people.
If the issue is that one person has directly copied source material for personal gain, without paying royalties to an original user, than why is johny-come-lately the one copping the flak, surely that should be shared for everyone that has used trademarked items as source material.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if you started producing Mickey Mouse caps to sell, you would hear from Disney if you appeared on their radar, regardless whether it was a clay model base, a print on a cap, or just a mold from a figure.
Nature abhors a vacuum, but so does the market, if their is demand for custom keycaps, there will be supply - this can be seen in the rip-off clacks that surfaced, and it can be seen in everyone that makes caps to sell.
you guys... it's ****ing plastic
I make custom flags for a living, and I've had people say (when they hear my prices for my work): "It's just ****ing fabric!"
True, flags are made of fabric but so are wedding dresses and parachutes. There's labor, there's love in these little chunks of plastic for the artists and hobbyists. I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, sth -- I tire of the butthurtedness, too.Quote from: sth"There are no art forms now, just capitalism"Quote from: QuardahWisdom.
:-X
Pac makes pretty good case about all the artisans (with Binge being the exception) to making keycaps based on intellectual property that they do not own. I don't really buy the argument that at least some of these people (GirlDC as the most prominent example) possess greater skill and/or talent, and so that somehow makes their infringement of other people's property rights some how less? It clearly makes them more artistic, more skilled, no argument there, but it's still not legal.
Some of the people on that list aren't in it for their 'art' -- not that I care, I don't buy into the whole selfless artist stuff. They looked at the market and said, "Hey, anyone want a Hulk keycap?" (People screamed, "Yissss!") and then they made them. Artists (good artists as defined by the market) should produce art and be well-fed and housed for their work and not smell at all like patchouli. But that's not the same as an artist who uses his or her skill to engrave a printing plate so they can counterfeit $100 bills. Do I respect that person's skill? Yes. But is what they're doing right? No, not really. And the fact that they're doing it to a big corporation instead of an individual, to me, is irrelevant.
And hey, I'm totally guilty of buying these things! So, pin a Crimson 'H' on my lapel. I have a Space Invaders keycap! I'm a hypocrite and I'm ashamed. (looks at Space Invaders keycap and fights back tears) Ok, I'm a little bit ashamed -- enough to not pretend I'm right.Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
Toughen up buddy, you're an artist. Just do me a favor and don't strike a messianic pose -- just make good stuff that people want and don't pretend to be an artist if you actually aren't. I (seriously) wouldn't think any less of you. And go ahead and make some money in the process, Pac, I'm all for it.
Also, I speak from some experience at being a failed artist -- well, not really an artist. Is flocking a keycap artistic? The closest I came was mixing two colors of flock to make a new color, so... I mixed two colors and now I'm an artist. LOL! And the keycaps that results started out really, REALLY lacking. It took time for them to improve. There was still no market for them, but I was having fun making them. For me, the thrill was in making something -- anything, really, that was new, even if only in a minor way. If they had sold, and been popular that would have been icing on the cake. My point is that people can be artistic (Krog pushes two fingerpaint colors together and revels in his raw talent) and they can want financial success -- because people express their love for art sometimes with money, and money ain't so bad. As it was, I nearly begged people to try out my stuff, LOL!
Anyway, since GH is to intellectual property rights what the Wild West was to gun safety, let's just all agree to be less butthurt and continue making stuff for all sorts of reasons.
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
How do you know you're banned?
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
So are you sad that you're not banned?
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
So are you sad that you're not banned?
I just wanna be a part of the exclusive club :(
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
So are you sad that you're not banned?
It's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned at this point. I made my feelings known, others have had their say, and it is what it is. I'll just be more selective in who I share things with in the future and what guides I make.
And I'm still making my 100% original designs and plan on unveiling a new one tomorrow with a freebie for whoever comes up with the best name for it. My last caps were a bit more serious than usual and this new one returns to whimsy.
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
How do you know you're banned?
His artisan thread.
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
Pacifist perceived that his perception of your perception of his caps was perceived to be negative.
Also, no one took my earlier appeal seriously :(.
So are you sad that you're not banned?
I just wanna be a part of the exclusive club :(
I can add you to my short list of hidden users if it will make you feel better.
Of course I like you too much to not expand what you say or add you as a friend, but I can still do it if you like.
His artisan thread.
oh. that's new. :confused:
That's sweet of you :)
But no, I don't want you to have to expand to all my good comments...
So everyone has their panties in a twist because someone who made keycaps used the same source material as inspiration/model as someone else?
Mountain over a mole-hill people.
If the issue is that one person has directly copied source material for personal gain, without paying royalties to an original user, than why is johny-come-lately the one copping the flak, surely that should be shared for everyone that has used trademarked items as source material.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if you started producing Mickey Mouse caps to sell, you would hear from Disney if you appeared on their radar, regardless whether it was a clay model base, a print on a cap, or just a mold from a figure.
Nature abhors a vacuum, but so does the market, if their is demand for custom keycaps, there will be supply - this can be seen in the rip-off clacks that surfaced, and it can be seen in everyone that makes caps to sell.
nope this isn't what happened at all m8
How the hell did I get on the banned list? :confused:
How do you know you're banned?
His artisan thread.
His artisan thread.
oh. that's new. :confused:
I don't know a Spamaray or Nubbinator. I do know a SpAmRaY and nubbinator though.
Thank you for your reply. I don't really consider myself an artist, but I have fallen in love with what resin casting can do, and I am going to take a sculpting class next year to learn more about art and have some more time to make caps.
Sheesh, no wonder there are no services like mine. I try to give back to the community and get stabbed in the back for it.
(yet another incredibly brilliant, engaging, perfectly written comment by yours truly)ooohhh my god i dont care holy COW do i ever not care about whatever you have to say
LOL i actually read it what the hell is going on stop agreeing with me
When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of all who had been martyred for the word of God and for being faithful in their testimony.
This is totally (sort of) off topic, but I have one of your flocked spacebars and it is awesome. I've told you this before, but I'm telling you again because it's still true. :-*
I do not think that is too much of a surprise, nor necessarily a bad thing (maybe I am not correctly understanding what you mean). It is not that far of a stretch to imagine that someone who spends a lot on keyboards would also be willing to spend a lot on unique keycaps.His artisan thread.
oh. that's new. :confused:
I don't know a Spamaray or Nubbinator. I do know a SpAmRaY and nubbinator though.
Whew, guess we are still good then. Don't want to have to cry myself to sleep tonight.
And in all seriousness my biggest issue with any of this is there are just too many people out there who don't give a crap about community or keycaps or anything ALL they see are $$$$ and sheeple who will throw money at them. Open your eyes people.
My log will stay up. Pacifist's personal integrity aside there are plenty of great crafters out there who have done wonderful things with the knowledge.Awesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
Awesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
Awesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out! There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process. There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums. At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.
Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!
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I suggest others voluntarily join this club. We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.
Man, I never get invited to the cool clubs :pAwesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out! There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process. There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums. At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.
Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!
(Attachment Link)
I suggest others voluntarily join this club. We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.
we can call ourselves ATSL
the anti twat super league
Man, I never get invited to the cool clubs :pAwesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out! There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process. There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums. At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.
Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!
(Attachment Link)
I suggest others voluntarily join this club. We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.
we can call ourselves ATSL
the anti twat super league
Awesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out! There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process. There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums. At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.
Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!
(Attachment Link)
I suggest others voluntarily join this club. We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.
we can call ourselves ATSL
the anti twat super league
And in all seriousness my biggest issue with any of this is there are just too many people out there who don't give a crap about community or keycaps or anything ALL they see are $$$$ and sheeple who will throw money at them. Open your eyes people.I do not think that is too much of a surprise, nor necessarily a bad thing (maybe I am not correctly understanding what you mean). It is not that far of a stretch to imagine that someone who spends a lot on keyboards would also be willing to spend a lot on unique keycaps.
Awesome :thumb: I do not plan on making keycaps, but it is interesting read about the thought that goes into designing and making one.
It was really interesting figuring a lot of it out! There were great efforts made by capcrafters before me to document the process. There's a great deal more information with regard to casting and sculpting on miniature/action figure creation forums. At the end of the day I'm still just starting out in all of this.
Today, however, I have been inducted into the bestest club!
(Attachment Link)
I suggest others voluntarily join this club. We can hold meets and eat cake and talk about things like what it would be to be a legit unicorn who can play electric guitar and win.
I wish the master of ceremonies would allow my induction into the league :(
Just buy a paccap then sell it to someone on the banned list that'll get you banned.
Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those ;)Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up ;)
Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those ;)Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up ;)
Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those ;)Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up ;)
But read the fine print you'll be blacklisted FOREVER if you do that.
Lol I made the list. Was really hoping to get some of those ;)Who knows, someone might be able to hook you up ;)
But read the fine print you'll be blacklisted FOREVER if you do that.
But isn't that like the easiest way to enter this elusive club? :))
So this thread has run it's course now, where we've devolved to poking fun at this stupid list, instead of just pointing out to Pacifist that his list is childish, because if those people didn't want them at all, they wouldn't buy them, regardless of what list they're on. Ray, perhaps you should consider closing it voluntarily. Or a moderator should.
So this thread has run it's course now, where we've devolved to poking fun at this stupid list, instead of just pointing out to Pacifist that his list is childish, because if those people didn't want them at all, they wouldn't buy them, regardless of what list they're on. Ray, perhaps you should consider closing it voluntarily. Or a moderator should.
I didn't know this was parody.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37066.0Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hc2aM.jpg)
And this was parody of parody? Mind blown!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41915.0Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xW4PG6u.jpg)
I didn't know this was parody.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37066.0Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hc2aM.jpg)
And this was parody of parody? Mind blown!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41915.0Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xW4PG6u.jpg)
inb4 parody inception
inb4 parody inception
I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it. Lol.
Always post first think later regret never.
Always post first think later regret never.
FTFY :p
inb4 parody inception
I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it. Lol.
Always post first think later.
Always post first think later regret never.
FTFY :p
inb4 parody inception
inb4 parody inception
I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it. Lol.
Always post first think later.Always post first think later regret never.
FTFY :p
Lol. Truth. Will do so from now on. Post first. Think later. Let the feels sink in later, whatever those feels may be.
inb4 parody inception
I was going to write that but decided against it... Now I regret it. Lol.
Always post first think later.Always post first think later regret never.
FTFY :p
Lol. Truth. Will do so from now on. Post first. Think later. Let the feels sink in later, whatever those feels may be.
I love you.
EDIT: Just to be clear yes this conversation was inspired by pacifist and the idea of 'giving people what they want' which I understood meant copying existing designs.
This goes beyond pacifist and this thread is not intended for any sort of personal attack but to discuss the general idea that seems to be going around that up and coming cap makers should just make caps that look like existing caps because people will throw money at them.
Yes some people have used lego heads, toy heads etc which can also be seen as a copy cap so that fits in this discussion to.
Ask yourself this, do you think about or do you even care who you throw you money at for a custom keycap?
And in reality most of this conversation could have all been handled through PM's. There is no need to call someone out like this even if that wasn't the threads original intention.
Good luck Pacifist! I can't wait to see what your future keycap casting will bring forth.
Now to get myself a red, flocked IBM spacebar!
This basically explains how I feel
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html
If you can't sell it on ebay then you shouldn't be allowed to sell it here.
This basically explains how I feelDo you think that this should include Clack's Vader and Nubbinator's Clone Trooper then (and probably more)?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html
If you can't sell it on ebay then you shouldn't be allowed to sell it here.
This basically explains how I feelDo you think that this should include Clack's Vader and Nubbinator's Clone Trooper then (and probably more)?
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/replica-counterfeit.html
If you can't sell it on ebay then you shouldn't be allowed to sell it here.
as exitfire401 brought up the cc vader and nubs clone/storm trooper's is a licensing issue. we are talking about out right counterfeiting someone else's work (one for one copys).
On etsy yes I can create a darth vader _______ and sell it.
they do not allow you to straight copy someone else's work and sell it.
the people want pandas.Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Kungfupanda.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xPY05pZ.png)
I do not think that CC is going to like people making candycorn or Julysicle style caps.
We will just have to wait and see.
pac's storm trooper looks like a blob of resin that did not properly set/cure.
It is very hard to tell wtf it is. but you are right they are different.
I do not think that CC is going to like people making candycorn or Julysicle style caps.
We will just have to wait and see.
Maybe I should keep these sentiments to myself, but he doesn't own those colour schemes. While I would never personally copy the design, if he's not willing to meet the demand for the product he can hardly complain when someone steps in to fill the void. I've been on GH a year now and have yet to make it into any sale and have spent money acquiring after-market keycaps while I watch the same few people piling up massive collections of Clacks and Brobots because they get hand-picked when these sales happen. I would rather see the money I spent on my Oktoberfest and Candy Corn clacks go into the maker's pockets, but I've never been granted the privilege of purchasing directly from the maker for any keycap but Binge (ps, my girlfriend loves her Keythulu), and that took a great deal of effort.
If these artisan keycap crafters don't want copycat products on the market then either increase the volume of production or the retail ask price so that the money is going into your pockets and not someone profiteering from the limited availability of the caps in question. Still waiting on my first Brobot or Clack skull, while I see things I submitted for in these sales being flipped before they even arrive in the mail.
pac's storm trooper looks like a blob of resin that did not properly set/cure.
It is very hard to tell wtf it is. but you are right they are different.
I do not think that CC is going to like people making candycorn or Julysicle style caps.
We will just have to wait and see.
Maybe I should keep these sentiments to myself, but he doesn't own those colour schemes. While I would never personally copy the design, if he's not willing to meet the demand for the product he can hardly complain when someone steps in to fill the void. I've been on GH a year now and have yet to make it into any sale and have spent money acquiring after-market keycaps while I watch the same few people piling up massive collections of Clacks and Brobots because they get hand-picked when these sales happen. I would rather see the money I spent on my Oktoberfest and Candy Corn clacks go into the maker's pockets, but I've never been granted the privilege of purchasing directly from the maker for any keycap but Binge (ps, my girlfriend loves her Keythulu), and that took a great deal of effort.
If these artisan keycap crafters don't want copycat products on the market then either increase the volume of production or the retail ask price so that the money is going into your pockets and not someone profiteering from the limited availability of the caps in question. Still waiting on my first Brobot or Clack skull, while I see things I submitted for in these sales being flipped before they even arrive in the mail.
A lot of cap makers want their product to be limited, and exclusive so their more "special" in a sense, so that when people trade them and not re-sell them for profit, which many artisians (key cap makers), frown upon, it's just so that each cap is special and unique
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
You have to realize that these sales are conducted through email and they sell out in seconds, and it isn't exactly the easiest thing to get your email sent the literal second the sale starts. The type of internet you have, the distance you are to the seller, and the email service you are using should all have an impact on if you get in. I would say that the people that win every single time have simply figured out the best way to do so.Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
I'm hardly claiming any kind of tin-foil hat situation, I've noticed in my year here that the same few people consistently acquire a number of new Brobots and Clacks very regularly, some of the same few names make it in sale after sale. Whether through the dibs process (which does exist for clack) or sheer dumb luck, or trading their pre-existing collections amongst the networks they've established. It's very hard to break into this market, especially if the caps you've acquired are ones you intend to keep, so "frowning on the secondary market" is laughable because frankly it's been my only option to date. I would much rather that the person who did the work got my money (including any aftermarket markups). I think being a part of the community and not *****ing about my lack of fortune in these sales until now is patience. I will continue to hope I get into one of your sales, I think your products are truly fantastic.
You have to realize that these sales are conducted through email and they sell out in seconds, and it isn't exactly the easiest thing to get your email sent the literal second the sale starts. The type of internet you have, the distance you are to the seller, and the email service you are using should all have an impact on if you get in. I would say that the people that win every single time have simply figured out the best way to do so.
Ask yourself this, do you think about or do you even care who you throw you money at for a custom keycap?
What part does who the actual artisan is making the cap play into all this?
Does it matter what a persons motivations are?
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
I actually really, really appreciate your response Binge. I definitely mentioned previously that lifting original designs is something I absolutely would not support, but you also have a great point about being innovative and then having people stand on your shoulders, so to speak. As for myself, here's hoping I get an opportunity to round out my girlfriend's Ducky with more of your lovely work in the near future. :) This was merely the perspective of an appreciator of the work that's out there and some of the frustrations I encounter with trying to build a small collection myself.
I actually really, really appreciate your response Binge. I definitely mentioned previously that lifting original designs is something I absolutely would not support, but you also have a great point about being innovative and then having people stand on your shoulders, so to speak. As for myself, here's hoping I get an opportunity to round out my girlfriend's Ducky with more of your lovely work in the near future. :) This was merely the perspective of an appreciator of the work that's out there and some of the frustrations I encounter with trying to build a small collection myself.
You're gonna have some competition for those keythulhus mate. They are my favorite binge cap :thumb:
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
While I've seen Bro give caps to "Broless Bros" and due to several conversations with a few OG members, I do agree that that the illusion certain members get priority on sales is most likely false (many have pictures of collections not in their possessions or have been lurking a LONG time). I would still beg you to be a bit objective 'Bro'.
The man is admiring your work and is literally frustrated because he WANTS to support you but is forced to support a secondary market or re-seller. While I do not agree with some of his points, taking a humble approach to embrace a member who wants to be a collector which drives your business is not only best for the discussion, but best for the community. Even if I don't agree, I for one admire anyone who posts their genuine opinion instead of just 1 upping posts and brown nosing the top artisans. These are obviously genuine concerns and I can confirm (from others) he is not the only one who thinks there are people getting priority. If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it. I just don't think it's best to jump down the man's throat because he is voicing himself. Personally, I don't think anything he said was offensive.
ON TOPIC: I am not in favor of people copying original work and the only way I see a cap of an IP someone else already made a cap of being admissible is if it is done a different way. As for plain caps with color combinations, I think that is fair game but also on a case by case basis. Either way, it is still a heavily grey areas in my opinion.
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
While I've seen Bro give caps to "Broless Bros" and due to several conversations with a few OG members, I do agree that that the illusion certain members get priority on sales is most likely false (many have pictures of collections not in their possessions or have been lurking a LONG time). I would still beg you to be a bit objective 'Bro'.
The man is admiring your work and is literally frustrated because he WANTS to support you but is forced to support a secondary market or re-seller. While I do not agree with some of his points, taking a humble approach to embrace a member who wants to be a collector which drives your business is not only best for the discussion, but best for the community. Even if I don't agree, I for one admire anyone who posts their genuine opinion instead of just 1 upping posts and brown nosing the top artisans. These are obviously genuine concerns and I can confirm (from others) he is not the only one who thinks there are people getting priority. If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it. I just don't think it's best to jump down the man's throat because he is voicing himself. Personally, I don't think anything he said was offensive.
ON TOPIC: I am not in favor of people copying original work and the only way I see a cap of an IP someone else already made a cap of being admissible is if it is done a different way. As for plain caps with color combinations, I think that is fair game but also on a case by case basis. Either way, it is still a heavily grey areas in my opinion.
Sorry, but how am I not being 'objective'? I was simply addressing his concerns with the actual facts. Please don't make assumptions about my supposed 'attitude' written in text form.
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
While I've seen Bro give caps to "Broless Bros" and due to several conversations with a few OG members, I do agree that that the illusion certain members get priority on sales is most likely false (many have pictures of collections not in their possessions or have been lurking a LONG time). I would still beg you to be a bit objective 'Bro'.
The man is admiring your work and is literally frustrated because he WANTS to support you but is forced to support a secondary market or re-seller. While I do not agree with some of his points, taking a humble approach to embrace a member who wants to be a collector which drives your business is not only best for the discussion, but best for the community. Even if I don't agree, I for one admire anyone who posts their genuine opinion instead of just 1 upping posts and brown nosing the top artisans. These are obviously genuine concerns and I can confirm (from others) he is not the only one who thinks there are people getting priority. If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it. I just don't think it's best to jump down the man's throat because he is voicing himself. Personally, I don't think anything he said was offensive.
ON TOPIC: I am not in favor of people copying original work and the only way I see a cap of an IP someone else already made a cap of being admissible is if it is done a different way. As for plain caps with color combinations, I think that is fair game but also on a case by case basis. Either way, it is still a heavily grey areas in my opinion.
Sorry, but how am I not being 'objective'? I was simply addressing his concerns with the actual facts. Please don't make assumptions about my supposed 'attitude' written in text form.
There is nothing assumptive about you using the words "conspiracy" and "you don't get the right to". Also, suggesting he doesn't have patience is quite the opposite of being objective.
If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it.
jump down the man's throat
taking a humble approach
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
While I've seen Bro give caps to "Broless Bros" and due to several conversations with a few OG members, I do agree that that the illusion certain members get priority on sales is most likely false (many have pictures of collections not in their possessions or have been lurking a LONG time). I would still beg you to be a bit objective 'Bro'.
The man is admiring your work and is literally frustrated because he WANTS to support you but is forced to support a secondary market or re-seller. While I do not agree with some of his points, taking a humble approach to embrace a member who wants to be a collector which drives your business is not only best for the discussion, but best for the community. Even if I don't agree, I for one admire anyone who posts their genuine opinion instead of just 1 upping posts and brown nosing the top artisans. These are obviously genuine concerns and I can confirm (from others) he is not the only one who thinks there are people getting priority. If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it. I just don't think it's best to jump down the man's throat because he is voicing himself. Personally, I don't think anything he said was offensive.
ON TOPIC: I am not in favor of people copying original work and the only way I see a cap of an IP someone else already made a cap of being admissible is if it is done a different way. As for plain caps with color combinations, I think that is fair game but also on a case by case basis. Either way, it is still a heavily grey areas in my opinion.
Sorry, but how am I not being 'objective'? I was simply addressing his concerns with the actual facts. Please don't make assumptions about my supposed 'attitude' written in text form.
There is nothing assumptive about you using the words "conspiracy" and "you don't get the right to". Also, suggesting he doesn't have patience is quite the opposite of being objective.
Assumptions:If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it.jump down the man's throattaking a humble approach
Your assumptions are that you feel I have an attitude about it, but just the opposite - I want to make it clear that he isn't correct, as well as offer information and insight as to why.
And it's absolutely about patience. If a person has the patience, then 'frustration' wouldn't come into play. There's only so many cap makers and caps to go around. And there are a lot more people that want them than we can provide for. I don't think you are getting that point here. In any case, I hope I gave enough info here for those who were concerned.
Caps take considerable time to make. I typically spend anywhere from 45 minutes to 6 hours on a cap, depending on the resin or resins used. You can help mitigate some of that time cost by making multiple molds, but production is always limited by time in artisan crafts. Artisan craft, by its very definition, is going to be limited in production size since artisan crafts are a cottage industry.
In short, increasing production is difficult, can be costly, and, if you're not careful, can result in an excess of supply and a dearth of demand, meaning you effectively price yourself out of the market.
I'm a Financial Analyst by trade, I understand the basics of supply, demand and cost accounting. I'm not telling anyone how to go about their business, but they don't get to complain when other people step in to fill the void from the supply side. If their competitors products are that inferior, they have nothing to worry about. If they're not, you don't get to ***** that someone is selling caps to people when you refuse to produce more. I have literally a half dozen e-mails with lists of keycaps I wanted in sales, none of which were fulfilled. Between Brocaps, Clack Factor and Bingecaps, they've left hundreds of dollars on the table collectively, and that's just me.
Don't exactly know why you feel people are being 'hand picked', but your information is incorrect. This isn't a full-time job for me, it's a hobby. I don't have time to pump out parts all day, every day. I wouldn't want that in any case. I do this for fun, and because people enjoy and appreciate my work. Just because you didn't get into a sale, doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about all the keycap makers on this forum. If you lack patience, then this hobby isn't for you. Because that's what it takes. There's limited parts because I can't make more, there's no conspiracy here (hue).
While I've seen Bro give caps to "Broless Bros" and due to several conversations with a few OG members, I do agree that that the illusion certain members get priority on sales is most likely false (many have pictures of collections not in their possessions or have been lurking a LONG time). I would still beg you to be a bit objective 'Bro'.
The man is admiring your work and is literally frustrated because he WANTS to support you but is forced to support a secondary market or re-seller. While I do not agree with some of his points, taking a humble approach to embrace a member who wants to be a collector which drives your business is not only best for the discussion, but best for the community. Even if I don't agree, I for one admire anyone who posts their genuine opinion instead of just 1 upping posts and brown nosing the top artisans. These are obviously genuine concerns and I can confirm (from others) he is not the only one who thinks there are people getting priority. If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it. I just don't think it's best to jump down the man's throat because he is voicing himself. Personally, I don't think anything he said was offensive.
ON TOPIC: I am not in favor of people copying original work and the only way I see a cap of an IP someone else already made a cap of being admissible is if it is done a different way. As for plain caps with color combinations, I think that is fair game but also on a case by case basis. Either way, it is still a heavily grey areas in my opinion.
Sorry, but how am I not being 'objective'? I was simply addressing his concerns with the actual facts. Please don't make assumptions about my supposed 'attitude' written in text form.
There is nothing assumptive about you using the words "conspiracy" and "you don't get the right to". Also, suggesting he doesn't have patience is quite the opposite of being objective.
Assumptions:If that is something you don't give a damn about, then so be it.jump down the man's throattaking a humble approach
Your assumptions are that you feel I have an attitude about it, but just the opposite - I want to make it clear that he isn't correct, as well as offer information and insight as to why.
And it's absolutely about patience. If a person has the patience, then 'frustration' wouldn't come into play. There's only so many cap makers and caps to go around. And there are a lot more people that want them than we can provide for. I don't think you are getting that point here. In any case, I hope I gave enough info here for those who were concerned.
You're right, I did sound a bit assumptive there and for that I apologize. I didn't mean to accuse you personally of anything and I actually agree with you. I thought I made that clear but rereading I can see where I was a bit patronizing and accusatory. What I meant by not jumping down his throat was that I felt he had good intentions and concerns even though they read differently as I use to feel a similar way before things were explained to me.
When I said "if it is something you don't give a damn about" I also was not trying to accuse you but meant generally.
I mean...
You're right, I did sound a bit assumptive there and for that I apologize. I didn't mean to accuse you personally of anything and I actually agree with you. I thought I made that clear but rereading I can see where I was a bit patronizing and accusatory. What I meant by not jumping down his throat was that I felt he had good intentions and concerns even though they read differently as I use to feel a similar way before things were explained to me.
When I said "if it is something you don't give a damn about" I also was not trying to accuse you but meant generally.
Believe me when I say, I wish I could do this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/n6hbP8x.jpg)
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
You're right, I did sound a bit assumptive there and for that I apologize. I didn't mean to accuse you personally of anything and I actually agree with you. I thought I made that clear but rereading I can see where I was a bit patronizing and accusatory. What I meant by not jumping down his throat was that I felt he had good intentions and concerns even though they read differently as I use to feel a similar way before things were explained to me.
When I said "if it is something you don't give a damn about" I also was not trying to accuse you but meant generally.
Believe me when I say, I wish I could do this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/n6hbP8x.jpg)
Unfortunately, I cannot. But if you watch my artisan forum, you will see that I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
Yeah with that sort of an attitude I'm sure he'll help you right out. **** you're annoying.
(http://i.imgur.com/IQPqI.gif)
Yeah with that sort of an attitude I'm sure he'll help you right out. **** you're annoying.
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
Yeah with that sort of an attitude I'm sure he'll help you right out. **** you're annoying.Show Image(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144451/3797528-4675330164-tumbl.gif)
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
Yeah with that sort of an attitude I'm sure he'll help you right out. **** you're annoying.Show Image(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144451/3797528-4675330164-tumbl.gif)
I guess I must have missed a post (http://i.imgur.com/t8aCpm0.png) here?
I generally try to ensure that even after a sale, that people who didn't make it in get a shot at later sales and events. I do as much as I can to ensure as many can enjoy my stuff as possible.
So that means I automatically get a brocap next sale then since I sent my fauxluminum e-mail at 11:00 on the dot, right? Right.
Yeah with that sort of an attitude I'm sure he'll help you right out. **** you're annoying.Show Image(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144451/3797528-4675330164-tumbl.gif)
I guess I must have missed a post (http://i.imgur.com/t8aCpm0.png) here?
inb4 everyone quotes Bro Caps and buries their nose in his ass
edit: damn, too late
inb4 everyone quotes Bro Caps and buries their nose in his ass
edit: damn, too late
lol says the dude who thought I was actually serious about getting a spot in the next sale. How dense are you though?inb4 everyone quotes Bro Caps and buries their nose in his ass
edit: damn, too late
You're a special kind of stupid.
The circlejerk over this dude is hilarious. Every time he makes a post, all of you immediately quote him as quick as you can to laugh at his jokes or agree with his pompous asshattery.
Congrats anoxy, you're one of only 3 people annoying enough to make my ignore list on GH.Congrats, you're so little that you felt the need to announce that you ignored somebody on a forum. So brave and resolute.
Congrats, you're so little that you felt the need to announce that you ignored somebody on a forum. So brave and resolute.
The only thing rustling my jimmies is this massive boner from getting Bro Caps to show his true colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/Q7UdRmq.jpg)The only thing rustling my jimmies is this massive boner from getting Bro Caps to show his true colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/JIY5h.jpg)
soooo, about dem keycaps...
5 posts in a row seems a little beyond the mere rustling stage.
Everyone must be asleep. I'll be back tomorrow night.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/antqm.gif)
The only thing rustling my jimmies is this massive boner from getting Bro Caps to show his true colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/JIY5h.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q7UdRmq.jpg)
5 posts in a row seems a little beyond the mere rustling stage.
5 posts in a row seems a little beyond the mere rustling stage.
he's from reddit. he thinks karma is a number rather the sum of your most recent actions.
EDIT:
that is how karma works on reddit right?
Amazing thread. I think this is has also been the best use of Brocaps's gif archive.Gif archive? The dude used like two different gorilla munch gifs....what an internet mlgpro.
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reason for mentioning reddit: he's from reddit. reddit has karma.
geekhack does not have karma [points].
a negative karma on reddit comes from posting stuff/comments people don't like (excessive negative remarks, links to bad sites/images, etc.).
a negative karma on gh is impossible because geekhack doesn't have karma points at all (karma != warning points).
therefore, it is okay to do bad things.
WRONG! gh doesn't have karma points, but it DOES have the concept of karma. that is to say: people will remember all the bad things you do and treat you the way you treated them without the aid of having a karma number in your personal profile.
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now that i think about it, are you trying to say that he's not from reddit? i swear i saw him post that he was.
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I was conceived from the womb of reddit
Hey, this thread looks fun! Never seen a quintuple post before, so that's neat.
Hey, this thread looks fun! Never seen a quintuple post before, so that's neat.
Gif archive? The dude used like two different gorilla munch gifs....what an internet mlgpro.
Hey, this thread looks fun! Never seen a quintuple post before, so that's neat.
Hey, this thread looks fun! Never seen a quintuple post before, so that's neat.
Global Mod, please smite the cancer out of this thread!
You can still save it! It's not too late!
It's still breathing.... barely.... it needs mods magic!
Hey, this thread looks fun! Never seen a quintuple post before, so that's neat.
Global Mod, please smite the cancer out of this thread!
You can still save it! It's not too late!
It's still breathing.... barely.... it needs mods magic!
It's too deep, I'm sorry Sir.
Now please don't fuel their stupidity, aka don't feed the trolls.
This thread turned into a disgrace to the forum. Even if this thread had a little "finger pointing" going on since its subject's a touchy one, i seriously think it's time to stop.
If you wanna ball-hard troll the **** out of the internet go on 4chan or some other random ****ty websites. You're not 12 years old, you should know insulting strangers on the internet does nothing more than thread-crap over and over again.
No one cares about you defending your stupid ego.
May those idiots thank God i'm not a mod myself.
Now stop.